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| Who Killed John O'Neill part III |
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Thread is a continuation from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...  Who did 9/11? A question we all want to know answers to. Meet the CIA of the 21st century. Privatized, independent and hidden from view.
Journal: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/DrDebug The video (it is better if you watch the video first) Ty Rauber made it and it has one actor playing all the parts -a conspiracy theorist, a paranoid "they're after us" type, an OCTer, a philospher and they are all discussing 911-it's kind of like this forum. He ties Kroll, CIA, AIG together, speculated that Kroll is a sort of privatized CIA, running on drug money but able to do what the CIA can't because they aren't allowed. Some of this relates to the Hopsicker story. Why are these Kroll types anti terrorism experts; where do they get the information? Then they show how people move between these corporations and CIA . Doesn't spend a lot of time on the hows and why's of the actual day, more about drugs insurance companies/ CIA and the piece de resistance -what Al Qaeda really is and what Mohammed Atta's function was, his opinion will make a lot of sense as to Atta's behavior. This is all for the same video, I gave different links in case some didn't work: http://www.wkjo.com http://whokilledjohnoneill.com Movie Downloads: http://www.wkjo.com/downloads.html Mirrors: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-47554496271731... http://www.archive.org/details/Who_Killed_John_ONeill Iran-Contra II How the 9/11 flight schools were being used for narcotics trafficing to finance black operations like 9/11 which was covered up by labeling the drug dealers, terrorists. The drug import just continued after 9/11 as if nothing happened and were involved in the biggest cocaine shipment ever...  Mohammed Atta's girlfriend Learn about drug planes being used also for illegal CIA rendition, the (hidden) owner of the flight school committing insider trading on 9/11, scams with non-existing companies which miraculously produce DC-9s, and much more...  Ownership: American International Group = Maurice "Hank" Greenberg Marsh & McLennan = Jeffrey Greenberg Ace = Evan Greenberg Bear Stearns = Alan Greenberg Kroll always had AIG as shareholder and is currently part of Marsh. Greenberg-Traurig is now an "independent" law firm, but was started by Maurice. Possible teams for 9/11: October 11, 2001 Marsh established specialized terrorism team called Marsh Crisis Consultancy The following teams were added to it: Control Risks Group, a British ex-SAS team and Versar, bio-terrorism and homeland defense team. The same group could have known each other from 9/11. Kroll has military team in their company and merged with Armor Holdings on August 23rd thus adding Defence Systems Limited, another Private Military Corporation, to their operations, an ex-KGB team called Alpha Firm was earlier acquired by Defence Systems Limited. That makes at least four teams which could have been used on 9/11. Additional teams from the military could have been used as well. They had the means to do this. They had the opportunity to do this. They had motive to do this. Objectives: There are main objectives to 9/11 and additional subgoals persuded that day. The main objectives are: 1. Enabling the war in Afghanistan for oil and drugs. 2. Bush administration gets an enormous popularity gain. 3. Enabling Homeland security. 4. Passing the Patriot Act. 5. Massive insurance fraud. 6. The missing trillions of the Pentagon. 7. Added later: War in Iraq (not part of the original plan) Sub goals: 1. Elimination of competitors: Better position for Silverstream and Marsh in risk management by inviting all experts over the whole world to Windows of the World and eliminating some competitors in WTC. 2. Downsizing of Cantor/eSpeed. 3. Solve some "minor" problems for companies either in WTC or by inside trading. 4. Massive destruction of evidence in the Enron scandal, price inflation fraud for Silverstream, WorldCom, Global Crossing and many other scandals. 9/11 and Iran-Contra There are many similarities between 9/11 and Iran-Contra. One could even say that the same blue print was used and the terror event added as a quick justification of their goals Objectives of Iran-Contra: 1. October Surprise: President Ronald Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush 2. Guerrilla warfare in Central and South America 3. A war between Iraq and Iran Objectives of 9/11: 1. Butterfly ballots, Vote spoilage, Greenberg-Traurig: President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney 2. A war with Afghanistan 3. Guerrilla warfare in Venezuela and Lebanon? Bonuses (W. tries to double H.W.) 4. A war with Iraq Not in the original plan, however on September 12, 2001, George W. Bush told Richard A. Clarke: "Go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way" http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_A._C... This is the probably reason why Germany, France and Canada bailed out, because they had given approval for Afghanistan and at least Germany played a part in the Venice scheme. 5. If you can rig one election, might as well take the next one also. 6. Iran? (option or coming soon...) Why the Pentagon had to be included as well By Minstrel Boy  They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy. She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me. I can't help it if I'm lucky. - Bob Dylan (...) At least among those with a mind for such things, it's fairly well- remembered that on September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld made the shocking announcement that the Pentagon "couldn't track" $2.3 trillion of its transactions. "Iroquois" observes, "What's interesting to me is that he made his press release on a Monday. In DC, I always see bad news given on a Friday, usually late in the afternoon on Friday. The exception, of course, would be when someone happens to know that there is a far bigger story coming out." And we know that Flight 77, allegedly piloted by an incompetent, made an aerobatic, spiralling descent over Washington, effecting a 270-degree turn to strike the Pentagon from a western approach at ground level. The side struck was the only one with an exterior wall hardened against attack, and was relatively empty while renovation continued. (...) http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-of-capital.ht... WTC building insurance and ownership What were the 3 companies who insured the WTC? AIG, Marsh and ACE. All run by Greenbergs at the time. They then sold stakes of the original contract to their competition, a process called reinsuring. Once the towers came down, the reinsurers got caught holding the bag. Who mortgaged the WTC? The Blackstone Group, headed by Peter J. Peterson, current head of the CFR. The Blackstone Group bought into Kroll in 1993 at the same time as AIG took majority control. Henry Kissinger sits on the board of the Blackstone Group. On July 24, 2001, 6 weeks prior to 9/11 Silverstein took control of the lease of all the WTC buildings following the Port Authority decision on April 26. Silverstein owned all the buildings. Later he wanted to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies because it were two seperate events. Only ACE, XL Reach - strategic partners of AIG and currently owned by AIG - included a WilProp in their clauses, so Silverstein "only" got $5 billion. Larry Silverstein  "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." - World Trade Center lease holder, Larry Silverstein, commenting on the collapse of Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds" that aired in September of 2002. Or watch a video clip of them here: Victims and Survivors There are some strange victims and survivors in WTC. It makes sense that the lower floors survived, but the top floors have some anomalies as well. Victims: [li> CARR Futures (risk management)  Survivors: Discussions: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Pre-9/11 inside traders  Discussions: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Index of previous discussions The Greenberg Family Cartel http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Reinsurance/ownership of the World Trade Center: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Key people http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...  )http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Whistleblowers  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Twin Tower Corporation Index This is an overview of the companies with links to the different pages. Companies with were considered of little or no relevance are not listed. And the lower floors of both buildings were considered less relevant. The same applied to very small companies. A listing here does in no way imply that the company was involved in 9/11. The index has been created from various sources and there does not seem to be an official and concise overview of the Twin Towers. Bold = Inside trader Italic = Victim ?? = Interesting, but too little is known. Floor # - Company (tot/vict) - Comment  107 - Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (277/77) 106 - Windows on the World (75/66) 106 - Hotel and Restaurant Employees International (277/77) 105 - Genuity = L-3 Communications (10/1) 105 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 104 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 103 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 102 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 102 - Alliance Consulting Group (22/7) ?? 101 - Cantor Fitzgerald / ESpeed (1000/685+125) 100 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 99 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 92 - CARR Futures (141/69)98 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 97 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 96 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 95 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 94 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 93 - Marsh USA (1900/295) 93 - Fred Alger Management (36/36) - Used eSpeed 91 - American Bureau of Shipping (22/0) 90 - Dun & Bradstreet (80/0) - Silverstream 89 - Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (52/2) - Inside trader 89 - Banco LatinoAmericano de Exportaciones Sud America (20/0) ?? 86 - Trading Technologies (7/0) - Deutsche Bank 83 - Global Crossing Holdings - Destruction of evidence 81 - Bank of America (400/2) 79 - Virtual suite 7967 with for example Buttonwood 78 - Korea Local Government Center (8/0) - Must have told South-Korea. Just imagine the scandal if they didn't 77 - Martin Progressive (80/0) 65 - Boeing 62 - CARR Futures (see above. This lower floor survived) 59 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 58 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 57 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 56 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 54 - Sidley Austin Brown & Wood (600/1) 53 - AIG Aviation Brokerage part of AIG 53 - French Embassy Financial Services - See South-Korea 50 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ?? 49 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ?? 48 - Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank (unk/0) ?? 40 - Lehman Brothers (618/1) 39 - Lehman Brothers (618/1) 38 - Lehman Brothers (618/1) 37 - Government of Thailand (>9/0) - See South-Korea 36 - Kemper Insurance Companies part of Marsh 35 - Kemper Insurance Companies part of Marsh 34 - Royal Thai Embassy Office - See South-Korea 34 - Port Authority 3000/74) 33 - China Daily Distribution Corporation - Nothing is known about the company ?? 32 - Cantor Fitzgerald - See above 31 - Port Authority - See above 31 - Empire Blue (1914/5) - Sad story of Abe Zelmanowitz who stayed behind with his friend in the wheel chair. 29 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company - Moved out Sept 4. Left some equipment though 28 - Port Authority 28 - Empire Blue 27 - Empire Blue 26 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) - ?? 25 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) 24 - Port Authority - See above 24 - Empire Health Choice = Empire Blue 23 - Empire Health Choice 22 - Virtual suite 2201 20 - Empire Health Choice 19 - Empire Health Choice 19 - Port Authority 17 - Empire Health Choice 17 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company 16 - ZimAmerican Israeli Shipping Company 14 - Dun & Bradstreet 14 - Port Authority 11 - Bank of America 10 - Bank of America 9 - Bank of America 3 - Port Authority Floor # - Company (tot/vict) - Comment 104 - Sandler O'Neill and Partners (180/63) - Owned several bars/restaurants 101 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 100 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 99 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 97 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 96 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 95 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 94 - Fiduciary Trust Company International (645/76) 93 - AON Corporation (1350/170) 91 - Raytheon Company (unk/4 on planes) 90 - Washington Group International Inc (190/13) - ?? 89 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ?? 88 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ?? 87 - NY Department of Taxation and Finance (224/39) - ?? 87 - Corporation Service Company (100/0) - ?? 86 - NY Department of Taxation and Finance (224/39) - ?? 86 - Marsh USA (1900/295 in WTC1) 85 - Marsh USA (1900/295 in WTC1) 77 - Baseline Financial (175/3)85 - Harris Beach (113/5) - Represented Gov. Carey 85 - Keefe, Bruyette and Woods, Inc. (171/63) - ?? 84 - Euro Brokers (285/61 survivors on lower floor) 84 - Mass Electric Construction Co - Mystery wire expert 83 - IQ Financial Systems (110/3) 82 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 81 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 80 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 79 - Fuji Bank (625/9) 78 - First Commercial Bank (27/1) - Note: small office of a small bank. Most likely unrelated 78 - Baseline Financial (175/3) 74 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 73 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 72 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 71 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 70 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 69 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 68 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 67 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 66 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 65 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 64 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 63 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 62 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 61 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 60 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 59 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 58 - Dow Jones (900/0) 57 - Dow Jones (900/0) 56 - Morgan Stanley (3700/6) 55 - Garban Intercapital (675/1) ?? 54 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 53 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 52 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 51 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 50 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 49 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 49 - Seabury and Smith = Marsh 48 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 48 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 47 - Guy Carpenter (700/1) = Marsh 46 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 45 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 44 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 43 - Fireman's Fund Insurance Company (190/0) 40 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) - ?? 39 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) 38 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) 36 - Frenkel and Company (180/0) - ?? 35 - Frenkel and Company (180/0) 34 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) = Massachusetts Mutual and not Oppenheimer & Company 33 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) 32 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) 31 - Oppenheimer Funds (600/0) 30 - Hartford Steam Boiler = ITT 29 - Weatherly Securities Corp (60/0) - ?? 23 - SCOR U.S. Corporation (120/0) - ?? 22 - Mancini Duffy (150/0) - ?? 20 - Thacher, Proffitt and Wood (300/0) 20 - NY Shipping Association (140/0) 19 - NY Shipping Association (140/0) 18 - 4 U Services Inc (25/0) 17 - N.Y. Institution of Finance (65/0) 16 - National Development and Research Institute (130/0) 15 - Mancini Duffy (150/0) 12 - Verizon Communications (400/2) - See: Thomas Kean 12 - Euro Brokers (285/61 survivors on lower floor) 11 - Verizon Communications (400/2) 10 - Verizon Communications (400/2) 9 - Verizon Communications (400/2) Other subjects http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... |
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| DrDebug
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Wed Jul-05-06 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
| 1. Continued |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jul-05-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 2. Posting multi-part threads is a habit you share with another DD. n/t |
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Edited on Wed Jul-05-06 01:14 PM by boloboffin
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| BuddyYoung
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Mon Jul-17-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
| 113. This thread contains amazing research and insight. Is THAT why it's |
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ignored by OCT'ers, except for the incredibly astute observation (and implied insult) about "mult-part threads"?
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| Ferry Fey
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Wed Jul-05-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 3. Showing the big picture and fine detail simultaneously |
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DrDebug: On behalf of EveryReader, I'm going to ask that you work on a two-tiered message.
You've got to simultaneously engage those who can pick up on where you are going, and can add their perspectives and research. Yet you also have to slow it down, draw out some of your telegraphic ideas so that they have narrative, for those of us who for whatever reason -- no time, no background in deciphering the culture of corporate and government politics, inability to see the big picture made of these little dots -- are having a hard time following you. The "for dummies" version. Without too many acronyms, catchphrases, and otherwise non-objective filler. It's really hard integrating all the raw data, while telling it as a story that will make sense. But it's going to have to be done. I'd suggest, for example, that somewhere you have a version with all the links (as above) that have the links separated into the labeled categories as you have, but which also give a thread title or description so that the links can be differentiated from each other. People are much more likely to choose to click on a link when they have an idea that it will be relevant to them, and they to be able to remember where they saw something that they want to retrieve. I'm not yelling at you.  I think this a really interesting new direction you are taking this, and I think it's going to be fruitful. I want to see where you can bridge the gap between this and the war games (that other area where nobody has broken silence either), because that's where the sparks will really fly. |
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| DrDebug
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Wed Jul-05-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
| 4. It needs a good summary |
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But the most important part was to index and document the different player in 9/11 and most have been identified.
We do need a dummied down version, but I'm not really the person for that. A good writer is needed as well and that's not me either. I'm a researcher and tend to talk deep politics. I prefer to leave that to others. Ty Rauber made an excellent video and I wanted to know how correct it was and the story still stands and has even become a lot bigger and more complex. I personally that most of the validation of the story has ben done right now, so I'm hoping that somebody can make a nice story. Maybe somebody can write a book about or whatever... I'm a mere investigator LOL |
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Wed Jul-05-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
| 5. About the war games part, OEM. Start a little summary |
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Because the "impacts" on both WTC1 and WTC2 were in control of the "Greenberg family" cartel especially WTC1 which was under full control by Marsh, there is the question whether planes are necessary. So I prefer the no-plane option, however they could have installed a plane magnet or a homing beacon at their offices to ensure a perfect hit (personally I think that there never were any planes)
Either way you need to convince people that there were hijacked planes and you need to keep the fast majority occupied and that is where the war games are very useful. Not only does it give the "blimps" on the radar screen, it will allow a small group to engage in 9/11 while the fast majority is playing games which will later add to the confusion of trying to resolve 9/11. 9/11 was also far more extensive than just WTC and the Pentagon. Many things needed to be setup that day, so there would have been flights going back and forth and you nameit. The same with Ground Zero. The fast majority of people there engaged in the actual disaster, however the OEM was not being used and was by far the best place to coordinate WTC, because it was a bunker high up in the air, so not only did they have a perfect sight on Ground Zero, they were also in a safe place in case a piece of WTC would fall on WTC 7. That place could withstand anything. The main team at WTC would have comprised of Kroll and Marsh and since those companies have a privatized CIA inside, all kinds of spooks could have been added to the mix. The same could be true for Raytheon which also has an overlap, however EVERYTHING was probably privatized, so no government agencies, since that would endanger deniability. We can see that Marsh, Kroll, AIG, Raytheon and maybe Citigroup, Fuji Bank and Deutsche Bank were at the heart of the operations. None of those organization can be directly traced back to any government agencies or official and even in their own organization they are just tiny compared to the remainder of those enormous companies, so the corporation also have plausible deniability. One thing which you would also need for top team. Kroll has several of those in their own organization which are used in Iraq as well. They merged with Armor Holding just before 9/11 and that gave them a top UK team and the best KGB team (remember that was the team during the Cold War. Alpha were the experts). Also within Marsh you two very good teams, so those guys could had the ability to wire all the buildings and set up everything so they could coordinate everything from OEM on 9/11 (because that's the best place). It makes sense to start with WTC1, because that was their own territory and if that failed, it could be called a weird accident and that's it. WTC2 and the Pentagon were next. Pentagon will be a lot harder to comprehend, because that's an entirely secret organization. Rudy must have known and was in charge of the Pier 92 that way together with people like Jerome Hauer and many many more. Most of the people on the ground would have had no idea. I think that that is a plausible scenario. There are quite a number of corporation where inside trading has occured. The fast majority were insurance companies and a lot of airliners as well, so within these companies there were some people in the higher echelons who knew about it. We'll probably never know who they are because there hasn't been any investigation and all we have is a list. The number of inside traders was enormous and global, so it wasn't just a couple. Especially Deutsche Bank was the biggest and since the US CEO is also the #3 man at the CIA, it would have been the intelligence community itself who used their own bank because they would never say who was doing it. Many of the others never collected though, so some of the CEOs thought that it was pretty hot. Either way it is one of the few pieces of hard evidence. The relationship between the companies is that most either knew AIG or Citigroup very well. A lot of companies were not that clean before either and had many scandals. Some didn't though like American Express so in that case it would probably be somebody at the top who acted upon himself and it would not be a board decision. The part of the Election 2000. That'll be an enormous story as well. The preparation clearly started way before the elections and they needed Bush and his cronies in the White House so the election fraud was very important and the links are there via Greenberg-Traurig who helped a lot during 2000 and later during 2004. As far as the Bush administration goes, it is clear that many played a part in the cover-up and quite a number would have known from the start. As always most would not have a complete picture of 9/11. Bush didn't. Cheney probably did. Kissinger didn't. Bremer probably did. Most CEO only knew that 9/11 was planned and that's it. As far as government go, it stands to reason that a lot of them knew as well and some participated, some warned, but there were so many warnings before 9/11 that it was not failure of Intelligence. This was an Intelligence success story. As far as the al-Qaeda terrorists goes, it were the drug dealers in their own organizations who were Arabs so they could be used. The reason why some many are still alive (or maybe all) is because they were drug dealers, so they just have to get used to it... |
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Wed Jul-05-06 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
| 6. Here's some links for ya DrDebug |
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Wed Jul-05-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
| 7. Thanks |
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It'll fit perfectly in the mother of all threads.
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Thu Jul-06-06 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
| 8. "Exact spots where they gave way" |
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according to NIST these are the exact spots where the towers gave way:
"The report, released yesterday by the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colo., includes detailed photographs that identify, for the first time, the exact spots where the exterior steel columns gave way. These critical zones were around the 81st floor in the south tower, near the offices of Fuji Bank, and near the 96th floor of the north tower, where Marsh & McLennan was based. For 7 to 10 minutes before the towers fell, the photographs show exterior columns bowing inward, almost like pieces of cooked spaghetti, a sign that they are about to give way." http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040619_n... |
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Thu Jul-06-06 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
| 9. al-Cokeda / Skyways - Martinez and Election fraud mentioned |
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“James Kent (President of SkyWay) is a real strong Republican with a lot of connections in Washington, like U.S. Senator Mel Martinez,” the former SkyWay employee told us. “And he’s also in tight with a lot of politicians in Tallahassee, like (Republican gubernatorial candidate) Charlie Christ.” “He was a mole for military intelligence during the Vietnam war. He was with Air America over there, and I guess he told some people he worked for the CIA.” According to SkyWay SEC filings (1), Kent “served in various government contract management positions supporting projects of the Department of Defense, National Security Agency, and Department of the Navy.” Kent also runs a company, Online Satellite Communication, which uses an address in Las Vegas (2) which also houses Voters Outreach of America (3), a Republican Party operation accused of illegal activity and electoral dirty tricks (4), including destroying thousands of Democratic registration forms, during the 2004 Presidential election. Sources: 1. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:fSlGEbKkX64J:sec.e... 2. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:SD8xzo4rvzoJ:contr... 3. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:bfy_egz_vBkJ:www.d... 4. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:pv2vaQa9pGgJ:www.s... Excerpted from: http://www.madcowprod.com / Linked discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Mel Martinez: Melquiades Rafael "Mel" Martinez (born October 23, 1946) is a Cuban-born American politician, currently a United States Senator from Florida. Previously, Martinez served as the 12th Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President George W. Bush. Sen. Martinez is a Republican and a Roman Catholic. Before becoming Secretary of HUD, Martinez was the elected Chairman of Orange County, Florida, and served on the Governor's Growth Management Study Commission. He previously served as President of the Orlando Utilities Commission, on the board of directors of a community bank, and as Chairman of the Orlando Housing Authority. Serving as co-chairman of George W. Bush's 2000 presidential election campaign in Florida, Martinez was a leading fundraiser. He was one of the 25 electors from Florida, which voted for George W. Bush in the 2000 election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Martinez UnAnswered Questions for Mel Martinez As a Republican Candidate for Senate in 2004 you will need to convince Florida voters that you are fiscally responsible and can be trusted to represent them and their families. The following questions are intended to help illuminate your performance by "following the money trail" through key areas of your personal responsibility: 1. Who made money from the improper "cleansing" of 57,000 legitimate voters from the Florida voting rolls in 2000? 2. Who got the money that Florida state pensions "lost" on Enron after Enron helped finance the Florida 2000 Presidential election and recount? 3. What was the total financing, soft money and other "support" received by the Bush Florida Campaign from Lockheed Martin, Northrup, GE and other significant beneficiaries of the War on Terrorism as well as from their media subsidiaries and affiliates? http://www.whereisthemoney.org/hotseat/mel/bush2000.htm |
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| 10. Giuliani ships Twin Towers on a slow boat to China |
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Edited on Thu Jul-06-06 06:23 AM by DrDebug
Rudy Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had finished the demolition of the Murragh Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, and which had disposed of the evidence there in the process. This contract was let surreptitiously just eleven days after 9/11, and empowered Controlled Demolition to recycle the steel of the World Trade Center. Giuliani has not a word to say about this in his memoirs. (1)
New York City's Department of Design and Construction (DDC) issued contracts to four contractors, called Construction Managers (CM), who were responsible for debris removal. According to an USACE website, each CM was assigned a zone or section of the debris removal, and was controlled and monitored by a three- person DDC team. 5 The four CMs were: * Tully Construction = Controlled Demolition, Sacramento District * Bovis Lend Lease International, Mobile District * AMEC Construction Management = Kingstar, Portland District * Turner Construction, Baltimore District (8) The firemen, we must remember, were those who knew most about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, and they were also the group most likely to tell what they knew. In this sense, the firemen posed perhaps the greatest immediate threat to the 9/11 myth upon which the oligarchy had staked so much. On October 31, Halloween, Giuliani decreed without any meaningful consultation that there would be an upper limit of 25 firefighters on each shift at the WTC pile, along with 25 New York City policemen and 25 Port Authority patrolmen. Soon “the rescue workers were up in arms. Stories went around that we had simply given up on finding bodies; that the mayor wanted to speed the cleanup so it would be finished before he left office; that we had recovered gold from the trade center and didn’t care about anything else….Union officials started telling the workers we were haphazardly trucking everything to Fresh Kills – a ‘scoop and dump’ operation.” (2, 1) Giuliani’s rush to eradicate the crime scene without regard to the preservation of human remains thus served two important goals. He was able to destroy much pertinent evidence, and he succeeded in throwing the firefighters on the defensive and playing them off against the police, the construction workers, and other groups. He was able to split the firefighters themselves. (3, 1) Neu Schnitzer East and Metals Management were among the firms taking steel from the huge project to clear Ground Zero. Metals Management says it has bought 70,000 tons of scrap from the ruined twin towers. Some of the scrap has been shipped across the Pacific to Asian, including China and India. Among the consignments of scrap are the "very dense" steel girders from Ground Zero, which could finally yield 250,000 to 400,000 tons of scrap for recycling." The beams were so dense that a full load would probably break through the bottom of the ship, so they would have to sail as part cargoes. (4) In total about 1,176,000 tons of debris, including about 285,000 tons of steel were being shipped off on a slow boat to China without any investigation. (5) Forensic investigators – including FEMA’s Building Assessment Performance Team – were not allowed access to the structural steel nor allowed to take photos of Ground Zero to ascertain the real cause of the Towers’ collapse. (6) So what happened to the steel. Northrop Grumman is building warships for the U.S. Navy with the melted steel like the USS Arlington — named after the section of the Pentagon that was alledgely hit by an airliner on September 11 — and USS Somerset, in memory of United Flight 93, which alledgely crashed in a field in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, on the same day as passengers alledgely struggled with al-Cokeda hijackers. (7) See also: Serpetine link between A.Q. Khan's nuclear Walmart and the WTC steel http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Sources: 1. Tarpley, 9/11 Synthetic Terror ( http://www.gnn.tv/threads/6031/Former_Bush_Team_Member_... ) 2. Van Essen p. 265 3. Divide and Conquer. Delphi Strategy 4. http://origin.dailynews.lk/2002/01/22/wor02.html 5. http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/NYT_st... 6. http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id510.html 7. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2191181,0... 8. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/players.html |
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Thu Jul-06-06 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
| 11. Banco Latinoamericano de Exportaciones (Bladex) |
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Edited on Thu Jul-06-06 09:18 AM by DrDebug
Even though it is a very small office. They were pretty high up in WTC1 and all 22 employees survived 9/11.
Banco Latinoamericano de Exportaciones (Bladex) is a bankers' bank that operates in Latin America and the Caribbean region. The bank makes loans primarily to commercial banks - but sometimes direct to corporations, as well - for the purpose of financing trade. The company's primary sources of funds include interbank deposits placed by the region's central banks, as well as borrowed funds. Bladex is based in Panama and has representative offices throughout Latin America. (1) Created under Panamanian initiative, the Latin American Export Bank (Bladex) located in Panama and owned by central banks of the Latin American region, both state and private banks, and also of the main extra-regional banks and international shareholders, is a significant underpinning for financing the international trade of Latin American countries. In addition, many of the banks located in Panama increasingly participate in the financing of the region´s international trade. (2) History In May 1975, Dr. Nicolás Ardito Barleta, Minister of Planning and Economics and President of the Panama's Banking Commission, created a multinational organization to finance the Region's exports at the Twentieth Annual Meeting of Latin American Central Bank Governors. (3) The Bank was organized in 1977 constituted in 1978 as a corporation pursuant to the laws of the Republic of Panama, and initiated official operations on January 2, 1979 with its corporate headquarters located in Panama. (3) The decision to establish the Bank in the Republic of Panama was based on the following: (3) Sources: 1. http://quote.morningstar.com/Quote/Quote.aspx?ticker=BL... 2. http://www.fenixpanama.com/banking-center-panama.html 3. http://www.blx.com/portal/inicio/Paginas.aspx?CAT_ID=2&... Even though it is not clear what the relationship between Bladex and the rest is, the off shore part and the all those central banks would be enough incentive to ensure that Bladex was a survivor. The company predates Noriega and was established during the reign of Omar Torrijos, so it was not one of Noriega's ideas. |
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Thu Jul-06-06 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
| 12. Port Authority was 68% liable for WTC '93 |
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I seem to have missed this jewel, so there is hope for 9/11 as well...
January 1, 2006 Lessons Learned The five verdicts of 2005 that are reshaping corporate defense strategies. By Sheryl Fred WTCFallout Most people did a double-take in October 2005 when they learned that a jury had found the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey — the owner and operator of the Twin Towers — 68 percent liable for the Feb. 26, 1993, World Trade Center bombing that killed six and injured 1,000. The defendant’s attorney, Marc Kasowitz, was no exception. (...) The plaintiffs’ argument centered on a 1985 report from the Port Authority’s office of special planning, a taskforce meant to address potential terrorist threats to the World Trade Center. In its assessment the taskforce concluded, “A time-bomb-laden vehicle could be driven into the W.T.C. and parked in the public parking area. The driver would then exit via elevator into the W.T.C. and proceed with his business unnoticed. At a predetermined time, the bomb could be exploded in the basement. The amount of explosives used will determine the severity of damage to that area.” The report also made several recommendations about how to guard against such an attack, including closing off the garage altogether. Plaintiffs’ counsel argued the Port Authority’s failure to put these protective measures in place constituted negligence. The jury agreed. (...) Although both sides were expressly prohibited from mentioning the September 11 terrorist attack, Hanly predicts this verdict will have a profound effect on September 11 suits. “It strongly suggests that a jury may well assess liability for the failure ... to remedy the known defective fireproofing on the structural steel, to enlarge and reinforce the means of egress and to implement a coordinated exit strategy of the entire complex, thereby affording more tenants precious additional time to escape,” he says. “The failure to take these steps before and after ’93 led, in a not insignificant way, to the extent of loss on 9/11.” http://www.insidecounsel.com/issues/insidecounsel/15_17... So 2001+12 = 2013... It'll take quite awhile, but there is a sparkle of hope. Maybe also for Larry and Rudy. |
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Thu Jul-06-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
| 15. Their policy to to tell people to stay in the building |
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and we know that it was a policy from reading about Rescorla, it wasn't just random. Also, there was no rescue strategy, it was outrageous, the door was locked to the roof and hundreds had been rescued from the roof in 93.
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Thu Jul-06-06 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
| 13. Madrid 11-M also known as 3/11 |
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Seemslikeadream requested that I dump some 3/11 stuff here as well and she found out the Riggs bank connection. I haven't read it yet, so it's still working in progress, however John Cleary talked about this story.
---+---+---+--- ---+---+---+--- ---+---+---+--- ---+---+---+--- The 11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings (also known as 11/3, 3/11, M-11 and 11-M) were a series of coordinated terrorist bombings against the commuter train system of Madrid, Spain on the morning of 11 March 2004, which killed 191 people and wounded 1,460. (1) On March 10, 2004, President Obiang of Equatorial Guinea announced that there was a complex plot to overthrow him that involved the intelligence services of the United States, the United Kingdom and Spain. Shortly after 15 people were arrested in Equatorial Guinea in connection with a possible coup attempt, an airplane landed in Harare, Zimbabwe and was promptly detained by authorities. (2) The aircraft was carrying armed mercenaries who were heading to Equatorial Guinea with the aim of toppling Obiang's government. President Obiang charges that various Western governments wanted to install the head of Equatorial Guinea's government-in-exile, Severo Moto Nsá, as president. A man that Equatoguinean media identified as the leader of the mercenaries, Nick du Toit, said he had not intended to kill Obiang, but had hoped to force him into exile. (2) Links have been discovered between senior American military officials and the failed coup plot in Equatorial Guinea that has left Sir Mark Thatcher, son of Margaret, facing trial in South Africa. Theresa Whelan, a member of the Bush administration in charge of African affairs at the Pentagon, twice met a London-based businessman, Greg Wales, in Washington before the coup attempt. Mr Wales has been accused of being one of its organisers, but has denied any involvement. (3) Names The South African police recovered a list of the financiers (the "wonga list"). Among the names found on the list are: (4) Best-selling cheap thriller author and disgraced former deputy chairman of Britain's Conservative party. Thanks to John Cleary. Named in several British newspapers as allegedly having paid tens of thousands of pounds to Simon Mann. A London-based oil tycoon of Lebanese origin, Calil reportedly introduced Simon Mann to Equatorial Guinean opposition leader Severo Moto, asking him to accompany Moto back to Malabo during a planned coup attempt The 24-year-old South African computer expert and alleged coup accountant reportedly handed the so-called "Wonga list" - of wealthy individuals who bankrolled the coup plot - to South African authorities. Enormously long biography... Alleged mastermind of the coup plot. Educated at one of Britain's top private schools and a former member of the crack SAS military unit, Mann was convicted Friday in Zimbabwe of trying to buy weapons for the alleged coup plot (...) Mann and Nick du Toit, held as a co-conspirator in Equatorial Guinea, were members of a now-defunct mercenary group in Sierra Leone and Angola. Accused by the government in Malabo of being the instigator of the alleged coup. Denies involvement. Moto is president of the self-proclaimed Equatorial Guinean government-in-exile based in Spain, the former colonial power. Media reports say he was flown to neighbouring Mali on the eve of the planned coup, in preparation for his unveiling as Equatorial Guinea's new leader. The son of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher has been found guilty in South Africa and fled the country. He is a friend and Cape Town neighbour of Simon Mann. He is moved in with his mother. (4) France Checkmated NATO The Oil Dispute in Equatorial Guinea France Checkmated NATO ARTHUR LEPIC The spectacular arrest of Mark Thatcher (British Iron Lady’s son) in South Africa and the confessions of his accomplices in Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea clarified completely the fail coup against this country. The operation was not organized by adventurers or mercenaries paid by international financiers, but by NATO. The U.S. had mobilized the British and Spanish services to overthrow President Teodoro Obiang and take control of the country to build the largest gas-liquefying station of the world. By doing this, the U.S. would have taken the French oil company Total out of the market thus favoring Spanish Repsol. But France knew about the operation and made it fail. (...) Airline Triple A Aviation was linked to Thatcher’s activities for it seemed that Sir Thatcher used it to transfer some $275 000 of the operation funds. It seemed that the airline signed on January 2004 an agreement on aviation services with Logo Logistics, Simon Mann’s company. The bank records proved that $100,000 were transferred to Logo’s account on March 2,2004; only two days before the fail coup. Although South Africa rejected the Iron Lady’s son extradition to Equatorial Guinea, investigators could question him in South African territory. Sir Thatcher was prepared to leave South Africa, where he has lived since 1996, to avoid a tax investigation. His residency was already on sale for 4.5 million dollars and his family’s airline tickets for the U.S. were booked when he was arrested by the Scorpions. (...) NATO at the Service of the Oil Coalition But this was not the end of the story. Beyond Mark Thatcher’s personality, who’s been the focus of attention, the true actors began to appear NATO and France waged a strategic battle that reminded people of the Iraqi situation, another country among those not very common anymore which offered solid perspectives regarding energy investment recovery (...) For instance, it’s been known that American oil company Marathon Oil was to invest 1,000 million dollars in a liquified gas terminal project in Equatorial Guinea. However, certain experts, who noticed that this was the largest project on the liquified gas field in the world, estimated that in real life the contract was a 3 000 million dollar deal. (...) At the moment in which the plan entered its final stage and mercenaries were ready to act, two Spanish warships suddenly set sail from a NATO base in Rota, with 500 elite soldiers on board. It seemed that only they knew what their destiny was and Spain had not sent any warship to Equatorial Guinea since the independence of this African country in 1968. The direction of the two ships was controlled by the Commander in Chief of the Command of the American forces in Europe and NATO Supreme commander, General James L. Jones. (...) On the other hand, French intelligence services had the chance of intervening by informing South African and/or Zimbabwe’s authorities at the right time thus allowing them to capture the mercenaries on their way to Malabo and, at the same time, protect the interests of the French oil company Total. Currently, it is a pleasure for Zapatero’s government to assist the South African justice. Thirty years ago, by following a Frederick Forsyth-styled plan, a few skillful and unscrupulous mercenaries could have guaranteed a nice retirement for themselves. Today, for a few more barrels it is NATO, on behalf of the very same oil coalition that invaded Iraq, the one that launched itself on an adventure pushed by the international financial institutions. http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article88.html Timeline March 7 Zimbabwe seizes a US-registered cargo plane carrying 64 suspected mercenaries and military equipment. Simon Mann and five others are arrested on the tarmac March 8 Fifteen suspected mercenaries are arrested in Equatorial Guinea, including the alleged leader of the advanced party Nick du Toit. Most of the suspects in both groups are South African March 10 President Teodoro Obiang thanks South Africa and Angola for warning him of the plot and says it was funded by "enemy powers" and multinational companies operating within Equatorial Guinea March 11 Bombs go off in Madrid March 16 Zimbabwe charges 70 suspected mercenaries with conspiring to murder President Obiang March 31 Simon Mann writes a letter pleading with associates, including Sir Mark Thatcher, to get him out of prison (...) August 23 Nick du Toit and 13 other suspected mercenaries go on trial in Equatorial Guinea. The 15th member of the group, a German, had died, allegedly under torture August 25 South African police arrest Sir Mark Thatcher on suspicion of involvement in the coup plot. He is charged with breaking the country's strict anti-mercenary laws August 27 Zimbabwe acquits 66 of the suspected mercenaries of weapons offences charges but finds Mann guilty of attempting to possess dangerous weapons. He faces up to 10 years in jail http://www.guardian.co.uk/equatorialguinea/story/0,1501... Madrid Commission confirms conspiracy of lies used to justify Iraq War Spain: Madrid Commission confirms conspiracy of lies used to justify Iraq War By Paul Mitchell 29 December 2004 Evidence presented to the commission investigating the train bombings on March 11 in Madrid in which 191 people died and 1,700 others were injured confirms that a conspiracy of lies was used to justify the Iraq war and deceive the Spanish people. The evidence emerged when current Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero testified at the Spanish Congressional Commission of Inquiry into the Madrid bombings. Zapatero confirmed allegations first published in the Spanish daily El Pais on December 13 that the former Popular Party (PP) government led by José María Aznar ordered the destruction of computer records dealing with the key period between the Madrid train bombings and the general election held three days later that it lost to Zapatero’s Socialist Workers Party (PSOE). El Pais reported that a specialist computer company was paid $12,000 to erase the computer records, including back-up security copies. Zapatero confirmed the allegations during questioning at the inquiry, “In the prime minister’s office we did not have a single document or any data on computer because the whole cabinet of the previous government carried out a massive erasure.” “That means we have nothing about what happened, information that might have been received, meetings or decisions that were taken from March 11 until March 14,”he added. Since then, it has emerged that Aznar and his cabinet office in fact erased all records covering their eight years of government. According to the New York Times, a Spanish official said every file had been wiped out on the hundreds of computers at the presidential complex, known as the Moncloa Palace. “Not a single trace of any files was left behind,” the official said. “Zero, nothing.” (...) http://wsws.org/articles/2004/dec2004/spai-d29.shtml Sources: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_March_2004_Madrid_attac... 2. http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/T/Teodoro-Obiang-Nguem... 3. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1313571,00.... 4. http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art... 5. http://www.guardian.co.uk/equatorialguinea/story/0,1501... Thanks to Seems, the following links can be added to the story as well: Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal NEW details of Thatcher coup plot: London Evening Standard SEC probes Marathon Oil payments in Equitorial Guinea (and HQ burns down) Du Toit admits meeting Thatcher Terrorist Stocks? 'Petroleum lures dogs of war to Africa' BBC News: Thatcher charged Margaret Thatcher's Son Released on Coup Plot Charges (Update2) Exiled leader in Spain denies any link to coup attempt Scorpions say have more info on Equatorial Guinea coup Financiers conspired to overthrow oil-flush African government Mark Thatcher: The money trail Thatcher case twist as list of alleged coup backers vanishes Thatcher: Spain 'secretly backed coup by sending warships' WaPo: Allbritton Loses Riggs Bank (front page, day 3) E Guinea 'coup plot' verdict due + update/result I feel like a corpse in a river, says Mark Thatcher as he faces court... Thatcher to face coup questions Phone links Thatcher to alleged plot There was no coup plot, says Du Toit Thatcher to ask Britain to help halt extradition Thatcher charged over coup plot Thatcher to be tried in absentia Britain knew in advance of Equatorial Guinea coup plot: report Tories Demand Answers on 'Coup Plot' Mandelson faces questioning over 'link' to coup plot Legal Woes Cut Into Bottom Line at Riggs Mugabe flies to Equatorial Guinea (coup plot latest) Despots, Deposits & Directors - Riggs Bank SABC asks to broadcast Thatcher court case Spain calls on EU to warn Equatorial Guinea - Riggs Bank Raids 'break up' £20m theft gang Thatcher coup plot: Mandelson, CIA & State Department named Archer 'link to coup plot' Britain accused of failing to investigate Africa coup Pentagon link to Guinea coup plot And there is more of course, because what if it was the same team as did 9/11  You probably don't think it is possible, however who is a member of the board at Marsh: Oscar Fanjul Director since 2001 Mr. Fanjul, age 56, is vice chairman and chief executive officer of Omega Capital, a private investment firm in Spain. Mr. Fanjul is honorary chairman of Repsol YPF, where he was chairman and chief executive officer from its inception in 1986 until 1996. He was chairman of Hidroeléctrica del Cantábrico from 1999 to 2001 and chairman of NH Hoteles from 1997 until 1999. Mr. Fanjul is a director of Acerinox, the Lafarge Group, the London Stock Exchange, Unilever, Marsh S.A. and a member of MMC's International Advisory Board. He is a trustee of the International Accounting Standards Committee Foundation and the Amigos del Museo del Prado. http://www.mmc.com/about/board.php Pure speculation: So what if the French were right and it was about the oil of Equatorial Guinea which was supposed to go to Repsol instead of Total. So who is a member of the board since 2001 (why that year?). And Oscar is by far the biggest guy at Marsh and his list of groups and companies also includes Carlyle, Trilateral, Goldman Sachs, etc. etc. So could a former CEO and Chairman of the Board of Repsol be involved in the failed coup in Equatorial Guinea as well and could it be there be an overlap between the team who did 9/11 and 11-M? Why aren't journalists interested...  Look at all the stories and they can copy and use them all. Free research. C'mon, you guys! |
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However it seems that they've ignored it.
Letter from John Cleary BSc to Sr. Paulino Rivero, 11-M Commission 11 September 2004 Dear Mr Chairman, Greetings from the beautiful Canary Islands. You would be well advised to not rule out the possibility that the terrorist attacks of 11 March were carried out by Manchurian Candidates. And that the purpose of the attack was to divert attention away from the planned coup in Equatorial Guinea. For all the confusion created thus far by your commission, there are really only two questions that the people of Spain want answered. The first question is why there were connections between the terrorists and the Spanish secret services prior to the attacks on Atocha? The second question is whether and why did the Aznar regime lie about the identities of the probable authors of the attack? They also want to know if there was any cause and effect relationship between those two issues. Let us hypothesise that the terrorists had been primed by their Controller to strike a little earlier in March. On 7 March Nick du Toit and sixteen others were arrested in Malabo. Simon Mann and seventy others were arrested in Zimbabwe. Severo Moto was here in Las Palmas in the company of Greg Wales and David Tremain, was delayed by the car rally at the airport, and then received a warning text message in Mali on his way to Malabo. The coup was frustrated, so of course the terrorists received no orders from their Controller. Soldiers on a war footing get edgy and frustrated when the attack they have prepared is delayed. They waited a few days, and then decided for themselves to carry out the plan. Under this scenario the Aznar regime hung itself with desperate lies in panic and guilt not for the fact that Madrid had suffered a terrible attack, but for LOSING CONTROL OF THE OPERATION. And had the coup been successful? Once Severo Moto was in Malabo with du Toit and Mann the Controller would give the order to strike Madrid, a full six days before the General Election. The Spanish commandoes would be ashore in Malabo in force while a traumatised nation suffered through six days of Aznar attacking ZP as the terrorists’ friend. Aznar would assassinate the character of Rodriguez Zapatero, while Rajoy stood above the fray looking statesmanlike (straight out of the Karl Rove playbook). Rajoy would win by a landslide. And nobody would be in the least interested in the two Spanish warships and the 1000 Spanish troops taking control of a small country in the armpit of Africa. Mission Accomplished, and $5 Billion a year (and rising fast) to share out amongst the conspirators. (...) http://p097.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMess... Edit:hyperlink fixed |
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Thu Jul-06-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
| 16. Iraq oil. Repsol? |
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Iraqi oil flows again Iraq has concluded its first sale of crude oil since supplies were halted by the US-led invasion in mid-March. A tender to sell 10 million barrels of Iraqi oil was awarded on Thursday to six companies, including ChevronTexaco of the US. (...) Fair deal The other five companies sharing in the tender were Repsol and Cepsa of Spain, Tupras of Turkey, France's Total, and Italian oil firm ENI. The even-handed distribution of contracts confounded expectations that US and UK firms would glean the lion's share of Iraq's first oil shipments, in recognition of the lead role that those countries played in toppling Saddam Hussein's regime. "One would have thought that http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2986118.stm One would have thought... but maybe Repsol played a more important part in the events leading upto the Iraq war. Repsol doesn't seem to participate in Afghanistan, however they are one of the biggest oil companies in Latin American and not the Middle East and especially a country called ... Venezuela. |
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Thu Jul-06-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
| 17. Repsol needs a company profile as well |
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Repsol YPF is an integrated Spanish oil and gas company with operations in 29 countries, the bulk of its assets located in Spain and Argentina. The product of a 1999 takeover of Argentine energy firm YPF by the Spanish conglomerate Repsol S.A. within the controversial privatizations by president Carlos Menem, it is now one of the world's ten largest oil enterprises, employing over 30,000 people worldwide. (1)
Formed in 1987 by the merger of state-controlled oil sector companies, Repsol is now more than 90 percent privatized thanks to four separate share offerings from 1989 to 1996. The company controls about 60 percent of the refining market in Spain and has a 45.5 percent stake in Gas Natural, which dominates the Spanish natural gas market. Repsol is Spain's first integrated international company in a national oil industry that, although dating back centuries, was relatively small and unimportant until recent times. (2) The company is a result of a double merger between not only Spain, but also Argentina which was carried out by Oscar who is from Chile and not from Spain. The main supplies of oil and gas come from Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia and Algeria. (3) Sources: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repsol 2. http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Repsol... 3. http://wharton.universia.net/index.cfm?fa=viewArticle&i... |
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Thu Jul-06-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
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This is very interesting company / honorary member of the board / ex-CEO.
Pure speculation: Oscar Fanjul basically created an eight sister out of many state owned companies from two countries at age 37 (!). That's an amazing achievement. Even more amazing that it is basically the largest "independent" oil company, because oil is dominated by the seven Sisters or the three R's (Rockefellers, Rothshields and Royals) and that team is extremely tight and allows people like the Bushes and many others to work for them and with them, but not the other way around. It's clear that Oscar has been stacking prominent positions ever since he has created Repsol and since 2001 the team includes Marsh(/Kroll), a company which appears to be a global privatized CIA / shadow government, and there is now even indications that maybe they have participated in 11-M as well. The point is that Repsol/Marsh is entirely different, because it is almost at the top already, yet it is still open for new people and ideas. Via Marsh it has access to the global drug market/ insurance/ banking/ politicians connections as well, so it allows for unlimited finance, laundry, governmental support and of course black ops. Via Repsol it has the extremely important oil connection. Most importantly it allows for massive corruption for the co-conspirators. The only thing they are lacking is countries where to get the oil from, because most of the world has been carved up decades ago by the Sisters. So it would benefit a lot from the oil from Iraq and has already managed to get hold of part of the oil fields. The most important part is that it will allow the co-conspirators to share in the rewards as in the Equatorial Guinea plan (which wasn't that big either - maybe 200 people in all with 500 soldiers). The same applies to Venezuela of course, because Repsol will benefit from a regime change and will probably allow the rest to share the rewards. And for Marsh Venezuela will be an opportunity to control the country's security. And for the co-conspirators it will allow privatization, fraud etc. Just like we have seen in Iraq. There are already lots of rumors about Venezuela and low intensity guerrilla actions, drug dealing and a failed coup, so if something happens in Venezuela then don't be surprised if Repsol becomes a lot bigger company... |
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Sat Jul-08-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
| 40. Mercenaries EG-coup: Executive Outcome =Defence system limited =Kroll |
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They used the American spelling this time, however it is the same firm. So the mercanaries for the Equatorial Guinea coup were a subdivision of Kroll. It was a different branch, but still.
Thursday, 13 January, 2005, 11:14 GMT Q&A: Equatorial Guinea 'coup plot' Sir Mark Thatcher has pleaded guilty in South Africa to being negligent in investing in an aircraft said to have been used by people allegedly plotting a coup in Equatorial Guinea. So who was behind the apparent plot? So far it remains unclear who was backing any plot. (Simon) Mann, the old Etonian and founder of the mercenary firm Executive Outcomes, has not been talking, although President Obiang has. He has accused the Spanish government and the son of the former UK prime minister, Sir Mark Thatcher, amongst others, of being behind the plot. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3597450.stm Funny the BBC is not so good at searching either. Why so much focus on the UK / US and everybody overlooks Spain. Isn't it the other way around? Spain as most important country. US next because of Marathon Oil and UK are just co-conspirators who got their paws trapped in the cookie jar. Executive Outcomes = Defence Systems Limited APARTHEID'S MISSING BILLIONS But the similarity doesn't end there. Lord Westbury is currently serving as Chief Executive Officer of Defence Systems Limited (DSL), which, as we have already seen, is an integral member of the London network of the Palace Group (named so because of its close proximity to the royal family's official London residence, Buckingham Palace). 46 Moreover, Executive Outcomes has been described as "the advance guard for major business interests engaged in a latter-day scramble for the mineral wealth of Africa". 47 This is a particularly incisive description, and readers of the first part of this series will recall that one aspect of Project Hammer apparently involved the disappearance of substantial quantities of gold reserves, as well as stocks of De Beers diamonds, just prior to the takeover of the Republic of South Africa in 1994 by Nelson Mandela and the ANC. This theft has become known as "apartheid's missing billions". Defence Systems Limited has a client list that comes straight from the top drawer and includes oil and gas companies like British Petroleum, Shell and British Gas of the UK and Amoco, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil and Texaco of the United States. Major mining and mineral extraction companies such as Canada's Cambior and De Beers and Anglo American of South Africa also feature, as does the giant US construction firm, Bechtel. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:f1yVJBxZ_NUJ:www.n... A reminder who DSL was: Specialize in oil: (Repsol of Spain as well nowadays?) Set up in 1981 by Alastair Morrison, a former SAS officer, DSL, now employs 4000 people from 30 nations. Its most lucrative business is providing security for oil and mining companies including Broken Hill Proprietary Petroleum of AUSTRALIA, BP, Shell, and British Gas of the UNITED KINGDOM; Amoco, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil and Texico of the US, Cambior and Ranger of CANADA, and DeBeers of SOUTH AFRICA. No stranger to counterinsurgency training, DSL has provided security forces in SRI LANKA, PAPUA NG and Mozambique. It also contracts to embassies in countries torn by civil war such as the D.REP.of CONGO (formerly ZAIRE), where DSL officers guarded the US, Sth African and SWISS embassies, and in Angola where the company guarded the British, ITALIAN, Sth African,Swedish and US embassies. Retired British army Maj.Gen Carr-Smith says that DSL provides services in "about 30 or so different countries around the world. They are always the dodgy type of countries, the remote and the hostile - Angola, Mozambique, Colombia, Algeria, the former Soviet Union. Those sorts of countries where life is a bit tough at this stage." http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27a/058.html DSL is part of Armor Holding and Kroll merged with Armor Holdings http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... So the circle is round again and it was Marsh/Kroll who was doing the coup in Equatorial Guinea with the Honorary Chairman and former-CEO of Repsol at their board. Very suspicious... P.S. So her majesty the Queen is being guarded by the former top KGB team and they are part of the privatized CIA. Who would have imagined that. Perestroika and glasnost sure have changed the world... |
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Sat Jul-08-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
| 43. Errata. Not a direct link. There is a connection via DeBeers |
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but that's not a direct link.
There is are connections to Rakesh Saxena (1) (See: Red Sea Management / al-Cokeda / Adnan Khashoggi) and Sandline (2) 1. http://www.earthwins.com/ewd/ewd020698a.html 2. http://southafrica.indymedia.org/print.php?id=10671 |
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Mon Jul-10-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
| 46. Amazing . The name changes fool everyone..nt |
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Sat Jul-08-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
| 42. From 11-M conspiracy site |
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I guess most know that there was lots of confusion because Aznar immediately started to blame ETA and then told all kinds of lies and the attacks turned out to be different from the perpared script and they suddenly started to blame al-Qaeda. This was more or less the point that he completely blew his re-election and in a complete state of panic "cleaned" his office as mentioned above, since he probably had some 9/11, Afghanistan, Equatorial Guinea, Iraq, memos from his buddy Dubya and heaven knows what he had been doing in Spain which probably wasn't too kosher either lying around.
My Spanish / Babelfish are not very good, so the translation might be a little bit off, but I get the general picture (and it's far better than those official lies at wikipedia): In the previous chapter we asked ourselves who contracted the mercenaries that died in Leganés ... Why would Al-Qaeda want to change their modus operandus in Spain and not use suicide bombers? ... In Spain, unlike all the other attacks, the terrorists used Spaniards (the Asturian plot) to supply the explosives ... The number of Police informers, Civil Guard and intelligence services presumably implied in the plot is enormous: Antonio Toro, Carmen Toro, Suárez Trashorras, Rafa Zouhier... Other informers are included who, without being implied in the plot, warned of preparations: Joe, the Lebanese money launderer, the iman (trans. magnet?) Cartagena ... The telephones which were supposedly used in the knapsacks pump were bought from a Spanish police officer of Syrian origin, Maussili Kalaji, that had (one of the many "coincidences" of 11-M) a relation with the members of the commando of Virgin of the Choir (?). How it is possible that small time crooks were used in Madrid for the attack. We know, for example, that El Chino was busted for drug dealing in December of 2003 ... In Spain, the terrorists acquired the explosives from local non-Muslim providers who were close to the security forces. The reason that we do not know anything of anything is that, as soon as the attacks took place, the Spanish government started a disinformation campaign about who they devised the massacre they had anticipated in minimum details ... Who devised the attack did not limit itself to plan the massacre, but also carefully created smoke screens that could form public opinion ... A form of disinformation techniques not used by Al-Qaeda, but by another group of elements for whom those techniques are part of their arsenal of daily tools. http://www.libertaddigital.com/php3/opi_desa.php3?cpn=2... . Hmm... drug dealers... always drug dealers/users... The usual patsies... So the attack was not according to the prepared plan. I guess this one was an intelligence failure. They used the wrong cars, wrong explosives, wrong false flag and Aznar kept on repeating the script despite an increasing number of stories that his script book was wrong... |
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Sun Jul-09-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
| 44. February 2003. The Mbagne dispute between Equatorial Guinea and Gabon |
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 If the oil rich island is explored and is part of Gabon, it will probably be done by Elf, who has many political connection in Gabon and Shell, because they have the majority of oil contracts in Gabon. Corsica Bay has the oil richest area which means that Repsol and Marathon Oil will have a hard time getting access to that market and Gabon wants to assert their sovereignty over that bay. Sources: 1. http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:w0xSBwlLd98J:www.r... 2. http://www.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=VWArticleVW3&articl... |
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Sun Jul-09-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
| 45. Most of the people indicted in the M-11 documents were small drug dealer |
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I see a pattern here. 9/11: Drug dealers. M-11: Drug dealers. 7/7: Drug dealers.
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Mon Jul-10-06 12:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
| 47. Heh-heh, but do you think that was what Atta was/is? |
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Could he have been more? After all, he was from a pretty well off family and was reasonably well educated. It seems he was involved in more, sort of like Barry Seal?
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Mon Jul-10-06 04:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
| 49. Guys like Hilliard and Dekkers are Barry Seals |
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Mohammed Atta was less important because he was one of the group working for Hilliard and Dekkers. The last two are clearly untouchable, because it is irrelevant whether Dekkers is an illegal alien or Hilliard is busted with 47 pounds of heroin.
Mohammed Atta is not a small dealer, because he was a pilot and clearly had a lot of privileges, but not on the level of Barry Seal. |
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Mon Jul-10-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
| 50. My 11-M hypothesis + additional reading |
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I think that the conclusion is that too much is written in Spanish and it's too hard to digest for me. There are just a couple of summaries in English and German and that's it and even though with the help of Babelfish you can understand a lot of it, it is lacking the clarity you need.
John Cleary's hypothesis has already been mentioned and he is the man responsible for busting and disgracing Jeffrey Archer, Maggie's best man and candidate for mayor of London. Therefore he has some credit with some people like me. (How come whistleblowers are extremely easy to talk to. You would think that they have a hero status, however they are all on the internet and you can just talk to them. Funny world...) Madrid 11-M hypothesis Recently oil has been discovered in Equatorial Guinea to the great delight of dictator Obiang of the empoverished nation and the big oil companies. The gentlemen decided to take full advantage of the oil of course. The inhabitants of Equatorial Guinea were of course less important or not important at all. Since the relationship with Spain is not very good, Repsol only got one small oil field. Marathon Oil of the US did manage to get good oil fields. Gabon, which does have some oil but not enough, became very interested as well. Especially since the oil richest area is Corsico Bay which is a disputed area with Equatorial Guinea, a country with hardly any military. Therefore Gabon grabbed Mbange island in February 2003 (some sources say 2002) and plans to let Elf/Total and Shell explore the oil, because those are Gabon's partners. Repsol, already frustrated, conspired with Marathon Oil, some people like Mark Thatcher, Jeffrey Archer, the UK government, the US government and the Spanish government to grab Equatorial Guinea and install Severo Moto as the new president. They hired a friendly team called Executive Outcomes in Sierra Leone and Angola and send them to Equatorial Guinea to install Severo Moto as President. Two Spanish warships set sail to Equatorial Guinea to help guard the "peace" as a nice gesture and perhaps return Mbange to its previous owner. Severo Moto would thank them, give $1B of oil per year to Marathon Oil (US) and $4B of oil per year to Repsol (Spain) and special gifts to Mark Thatcher and all the others who made it happen. What they forgot that France has good intelligence as well and it was Total's oil, so the French set out to foil the coup d'etat by ratting the mercenaries out to Zimbabwe and South Africa who arrested the mercenaries on March 7, 2004. Friendly nations are not allowed to engage in war anymore, but proxy wars are still fine. The Spanish elections were due for March 14, 2004, so the Spanish government started to panic, because the coup d'etat could lead directly back to them and their Repsol. So Marsh, a partner of Repsol's Equatorial Guinea coup, was ordered to plan some diversions at the last possible moment and one of them was an ETA attack in Madrid (which was probably like an Operation Northwoods which they still had in their drawer). The problem was that Marsh is allegedly known for 9/11 and Iraqi style al-Qaeda attacks which involved multiple bombings and was far more professional then the ETA ever did. On March 10, 2004 President Obiang started to point the finger at US, UK and Spain. The media could keep it a bit silence because it's a dictator with a terrible human rights record, however they couldn't afford this coup to leak to the press prior to the elections, so the go ahead was given for 11-M. On the morning of 11-M Madrid was attacked by a series of train bombs killing 192 people as a divertion and a means to win the elections. Two things went wrong: The script was totally different from the ETA plan which Aznar had because it was all done at the last moment so the team used their al-Qaeda tactics. Also the people of Madrid who were already tired of hearing about Iraq started to revolt against Aznar. The amount of lies and lack of coordination made a re-election for Aznar completely impossible especially since they started to blame al-Qaeda next, however there were no suicide bombers in the original script since that was an ETA script and there were many more inconsistencies and lies. From March 12 onwards the streets of Madrid and many other cities were filled with massive protests. Aznar tried to ask King Juan Carlos to postpone the election however he refused to prevent a further escalation of tension since 11 million people had already taken to the streets. In a state of complete panic Aznar removed all traces of eight years in government. Zapatero was faced by a serious dilemma. On the one hand he won the elections, on the other hand 60% of his country's oil depended on Repsol and there were traces to his secret services, politicians, key people in the ministeries. He had no choice to cover it up. An 11-M commission was assigned to do a similar job as the 9/11 commission even though it is more detailed. The same script was used by blaming the terrorist attacks on the drug dealers working for the secret services and piling lie upon lie. The popularity of Zapatero has since then diminished to Bushian levels as well. That ends my hypothesis. This thing is not proven, it is just a plausible scenario. A couple of remarks for those who read this and want to investigate: 1. Start with the drug dealers. 2. The drug dealers need to launder their money, so next step is find the insurance company / bank who launders for them. 3. Find traces for the team(s) used. This will be very hard, however it is probably privatized like 9/11 and probably includes Kroll/Marsh =-=-= =-=-= =-=-= =-=-= Clippings =-=-= =-=-= =-=-= =-=-= Some dates of interest from the investigation of March 11th 2004. 29 of the 34 persons now in prison accusated for the attacks are informers or controlled subjects of the spanish police or secret services. They are small drug-dealers and similars. After reading the public documents of Judge Juan del Olmo preparing the trial one sees the huge ammount of false testimonies and faked prooves used to incriminate those guys. The official version, Al-Queda or islamic radicals are authors of the Massaker is a giant hoax. The Massaker was necessarily executed with the help of members of the spanish security services. Putting this in context with the surrender of the spanish Government to the terrorists of ETA ,one has to think that ETA knows about the real authorship of the massaker and has prooves about it. The truth is terrible , spanish politicians of the actual government and black sheep in the police , possibly with collaboration of ETA are the murderers of 192 innocent spanish subjects. http://toastedbread.wordpress.com/2006/06/11/photos-of-... / Marsh & Kroll in Spain  )The Mystery of the Explosives Finally, on September 14th, eighteen months after the attacks, Luis del Pino, brought us back to the trains in a very successful way. He published in Libertad Digital the testimony of the provincial chief of the TEDAX (Technicians in Explosive Deactivation) in Madrid, that is included in the 3/11 Judicial Summary. This was the person in charge of coordinating the four units, one working in each attacked train, which searched for unexploded devices and began the investigation on March 11th. Surprisingly, this subordinate of Sanchez-Manzano, who unlike him is a real TEDAX promoted by experience, declared before the judge, on July 12th 2004, that: 1) The visual inspection he carried out in arriving at Atocha station revealed that the damage in the trains could not be caused by dynamite, but by some type of military explosive, like C3 or C4. 2) Nevertheless, the two deactivated rucksacks (one in Atocha and another one in El Pozo stations, numbers 11 and 12) contained some other type of explosive, because the procedures of deactivation anticipated for C3 or C4 failed. That is, the rucksacks found without exploding contained something different from the bombs that had exploded. 3) The TEDAX gather samples and vestiges for a forensic analysis. Usually, says the inspector in his declaration, those samples and rests are taken to the office of the Provincial Group of the TEDAX. Nevertheless, that day, against the habitual procedure, the samples were taken to the central office of the TEDAX, directed by Sanchez-Manzano. 4) Finally, this inspector of the TEDAX revealed to the judge the reason why the rucksack of Vallecas, the #13, had not exploded. It was because there were loose two wires and he informed him that that was known from March 12th, because before deactivating the device of Vallecas, a X-ray was performed to the rucksack. First, this information, that the bomb #13, the one that leaded the Police towards the Moroccans arrested just before the Elections, was not intended to explode, was hidden from the media and thus from the public at decisive moments. Second, we all were being told (tell a lie one thousand times and it will become a truth) that the terrorists used in the attacks dynamite Goma-2 ECO sourced in Asturias, that ended in the hands of a group of Islamic extremists that were being observed by security forces, easily cornered after the attack and forced to commit suicide. Much more at link: http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007961.php Strange Coincidences in Madrid Some very strange coincidences about the 3/11 bombings in Madrid have come to light. El Mundo, the Spanish-language daily, has been investigating the entire incident. The blogger Barcepundit has been translating some of thethe Spanish articles into English , and here is a good summary article from Frank Gaffney at NRO (hat-tip to Chrenkoff for all of these.) In an effort to completely blow out my bandwidth for the month, and to clearly depict the strange coincidences and relationships in the investigation, I've created the chart below. See an explanation of each number under the chart.  http://www.theadventuresofchester.com/archives/2005/05/... See also: http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2005/06/madrid-... |
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Mon Jul-10-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
| 51. i and i ketch them vampire DrDebug |
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 Obediah Obediah, Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampiyah Obediah Obediah, Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampiyah I have the chalice to light up Jah fiyah! When i and i ketch them vampire i and i a go set them a fiyah |
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Mon Jul-10-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
| 52. Jah Nuh Dead! Jah Let I and I catch 9/11 and 11-M |
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 They tried to fool the black (and white) population By telling them that jah jah dead And they tried to fool the black (and white) population By telling them that jah jah dead.. I & i knows jah - jah no dead - jah no dead Jah no dead <5x> Oooh nooo - jah no dead My knowledge increase My memory reflect Marcus garvey did say A rumour rumour rumour rumour rumour Aah marcus say A rumour rumour rumour rumour rumour Aah marcus say - jah no dead Jah no dead It was I-man who say Green and gold, it's the rainbow  The lion the lion decrowned the king The lion the lion decrowned the king Inna in adis abeba - aaafrica Jah no dead - jah no dead no dead - jah no dead Meet me at the bank of the beautiful river When your journey has end I & i will discuss about this matter Jah no dead, jah no dead, jah no dead Jah let I and I catch them vampire! |
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Sun Jul-23-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
| 118. 11 open questions about 11-M |
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1. Drug dealers.
Are they muslim extremists or muslims in name only (specifically: alcohol, partying etc.) Story about the drug dealers chain smoking, drinking, playing football etc. The mystery of Madrid's prime suspect From The Sunday Times March 22, 2004 Zougam's friends and family sounded just as indignant. Whatever unsavoury friends he might have made in the course of running a mobile phone shop, he was not an Islamic extremist, they said, but a fun-loving figure who liked discos, fast cars and drinking. (...) According to relatives in Morocco, Zougam, 30, returned from Spain every summer with his two sisters to holiday in Tangiers. A cousin said: "They went out to discos, to the beach and drank alcohol ? things you do not associate with the kind of people that carry out such attacks." (...) Mohamed Bekkali, another of the arrested Moroccans, seemed even less likely a candidate for the al-Qa'ida hall of infamy: a football fanatic (...) It mattered little to the judge that Chaoui had once had an English girlfriend and was, like the others, a playful, Westernised Muslim who had, according to friends, never expressed the slightest interest in smiting infidels and American lackeys. (...) "They are a charming family," said a Spanish man who lives in the same block of flats but did not want to be named. "Not at all fundamentalists. None of the women wore headscarves and the two sisters are ... attractive, modern women." http://discuss.agonist.org/smf/index.php?topic=17713.ms... 2. Laundry The drug dealers need to launder their money, so next step is find the insurance company / bank who launders for them. 3. Leganés. Short history: An attempted bombing of the track of the high-speed AVE train took place on 2 April but was unsuccessful. (1) Shortly afterwards, police identified an apartment in Leganés, as the base of operations. The suspected militants, headed by Jamal Zougam, Serhane Abdelmaji "the Tunisian" and Jamal Ahmidan "the Chinese", were trapped inside the apartment by a police raid on the evening of Saturday 3 April. At 9:03 pm, when the police started to assault the premises, the militants committed suicide by setting off explosives, killing themselves and one of the police officers. (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_March_2004_Madrid_train... Sources: 1. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040802fa_fact 2. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/04/spain.bombin... / They were nice enough to wait until the everybody else got out of the building and 5 to 8 suspects managed to escape as well. It's interesting to see with the explosives story how they might have operated: Explosives -> "Thieves" -> Drug dealers -> X -> Terrorists This means that almost everybody has their hands clean except for X and the number Xs would be very limited. Were Jamal Zougam, Serhane Abdelmaji "the Tunisian", Jamal Ahmidan "the Chinese" and the police officer who got killed the X in this story. The only four people who had been in direct contact with the terrorists. That would mean that Leganés served two purposes: 1. Firmly establish al-Qaeda (because the al-Qaeda evidence was very indirect and non-conclusive as well); 2. No people in contact with the terrorists anymore. Did Zougam provide the safe house for the terrorists? They said that Zougam, who normally welcomed people into the basement of his shop to drink coffee, had, in the days before the bombings, discouraged people from dropping in. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page / 0,5744,9036002%255E2703,00.html What is the importance of cell phones to the secret service. He probably worked for them, however why cell phones? 4. Traces of the team(s) used. This will be very hard, however it is probably privatized like 9/11. Reuters even interviewed them re. Madrid: Kevin Rosser, terrorism expert at consultancy Control Risks Group (= Paul Bremer), said the Iraq war was "a convenient excuse". "We've got to get out of the mode of seeing individual attacks as being linked to individual policies," Rosser said. http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.co... / WireFeed&c=WireFeed&cid=1080804792191 So the prime suspects of 9/11 say that it is not related to Iraq. Control Risks Group is one of the four teams to which Oscar Fanjul and Paul Bremer have access. Things which make you go hmm. 5. Warnings prior to March 7 No intelligence agency or information service – whether police-based or otherwise – had any data or suspicions that might have sounded a warning before the attack took place. http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/publicaciones/98.asp Other agencies tend to warn. France, Israel (maybe Morocco as well) would have been the most likely to know about this and always warn. Might indeed indicate a last moment decision, because plans tend to leak. Heritage Foundation expressed dismay about not being involved in Spain and that they weren't sharing ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-387694... ), so Le Cercle is not involved. If it is an inside job, it was Spain doing directly and not via the international link. Lots of countries started to shout European CIA (as if there aren't enough alphabet agencies already) as well, so they seemed mainly pissed that they didn't know. 6. Was 11-M scheduled on March 8 (Cleary theory) and postponed because it was supposed to hide the coup d'etat and then re-scheduled to March 11. The reason is that the quick plan is possible IF the plan was ready. The team could have arrived in Madrid from Iraq by March 8 and they would have three days to plan and prepare. It would explain the miscommunication because they didn't have time to brief Aznar on what kind of a plan they performed that morning because they were already on the TGV to Paris. Indication that part of the team could have been setup as early as March 7 (maybe the local team; however March 7 is possible as a start date) 7. Perfect organization 11-M was much smoother and better organized than 9/11. Were there preparations for the rescue teams in the days prior to March 11? There was a blood donation bus parked near the station and it was parked there several days prior. How long was it parked there? Only the political part was total chaos, but the operation was almost without failures and the rescue efforts were extremely well organized. 8. Mariano Rajoy, Aznar's successor, promised to be tough on Basque terrorism. 9. Aznar's revenge for April 19, 1995 when the ETA tried to blow him up. 10. Mystery TGV. There were no trains after the attack except for the TGVs from and to France from Chamartín. SCNF allegedly said that Spain requested that those trains continued. What would be the best way to leave Madrid? Car (no, because of Operación Jaula = the whole city was closed off within 30 minutes, so it would have been almost impossible to leave the city); Airplane (definitely not); Boat (maybe); Train (likely, because it sounds so unlikely) There is a train from Madrid-Chamartin to Paris Montparnasse at 09:00 It would have arrived at the border at Hendaye (17:07) Ultimate destination: Paris Montparnasse (23:15) (Did they take the whole train or was it wiser to just get to Hendaye) 11. Destruction of evidence. RENFE (=train company) wanted to scrap the bombed carriages as soon as possible. (http://www.noticiasdenavarra.com/ediciones/20040315/esp... , http://www.gara.net/orriak/P15032004/art74761.htm ) Don't know whether it happened, but they wanted to get rid off the evidence on March 18 already. Known lies: http://11m.fondodocumental.com/press/?page_id=8 |
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Thu Jul-06-06 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
| 18. War in Iraq not part of the original plan? |
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I doubt that. I think the PNAC papers indicate differently.
And how much oil is there in Afghanistan compared to Iraq? For all i know Afghanistan is about a pipeline (and drugs). Also 'they' were after intel connecting Iraq to 9-11 right from the start. (see Office of Special Plans, there's been a hearing about it recently) |
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Thu Jul-06-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
| 20. I don't mean PNAC, because it's bigger than just the PNAC |
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The PNAC is just a small part. Afghanistan was pretty much accepted by everybody. Even Russia didn't mind. It was already a deal and everybody agreed about that invasion and the plans for Afghanistan were ready in detail.
Iraq was entirely different. It still needed a lot of planning. There was very little international support. Big struggles within the Intelligence community, struggles within the corporations as well. Dissent with people like Clarke. I get the impression that a lot of people were not told that Iraq was part of the grand plan and that originally most assumed that Afghanistan was the country which everybody was going to invade and the reason is of course that it was a failed state already. I think that the PNAC team decided unilaterally to add Iraq which explains the complete chaos and very obvious lies. Afghanistan was a smooth ride from the start and technically it is not an illegal war either. Do you have a link for OSP, because if that predated 9/11 then it's interesting, however most things I've seen are past 9/11. |
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Thu Jul-06-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
| 21. OSP does not predate 9-11: |
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"With September 11 as his ideological backdrop, Rumsfeld decided in autumn 2001 to establish a new intelligence agency, independent of the CIA and the Pentagon, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP). He put his deputy, Wolfowitz, in charge. The pair were dissatisfied with the failure of the CIA among others to provide firm proof of both Saddam's alleged WMD arsenal and links to al-Qaeda."
http://www.sundayherald.com/34271 (June 2003) I see your point regarding Iraq no being part of the original plan. |
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Thu Jul-06-06 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
| 19. some more on Clearstream and related activities |
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WFMU "For The Record" #531
Dave Emory Interview with Lucy Komisar about Offshore October 30, 2005 http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/DX http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/11/ftr-531-intervie... (real audio, summary) Featuring the brilliant investigative journalist Lucy Komisar, this program highlights the use of “Offshore” entities to evade taxes, maximize corporate profits and finance a variety of criminal enterprises. Much of the first side of the program consists of analysis and discussion of insurance giant AIG and its prolific use of “offshore” scams. In addition to presenting AIG’s pioneering devlopment of “captive” reinsurance companies to launder profits and evade taxes, the program highlights AIG’s use of Coral Reinsurance for a variety of illegal gambits. It should be noted that AIG’s illegal operations have been aided by a number of powerful and influential people. Much of the second side of the program consists of review of the pivotally important Clearstream network, and its use by intelligence agencies, corporations, criminal syndicates and terrorist organizations. Program Highlights Include: A working definition of “Offshore;” the links of AIG to the intelligence community; assistance given to AIG’s scams by luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former Secretary of the Treasury Richard Rubin; Clearstream’s use of unregistered accounts; the role of the Clearstream network in the Banco Ambrosiano, October Surprise and BCCI scandals; the role of the Clearstream network in the financing of Al Qaeda and 9/11; the role of the Clearstream network in the machinations of the Russian criminal networks of Mikhail Khordokovsky; discussion of the “Bermuda Inversion” gambit; discussion of “Transfer Pricing;” discussion of an organization formed by Lucy Komisar that is working to eliminate corporate tax evasion through the use of “offshore.” <snip> ‘In a 'corporate inversion,’ a U.S. company creates a new parent corporation based in a tax haven like Bermuda. The company and any foreign subsidiaries become subsidiaries of the new parent—and the entire corporation then benefits from tax reporting and regulations that are often significantly less demanding and expensive than those in the United States. In the past few years, about two dozen publicly traded companies have reincorporated in Bermuda or announced they would do so. Among them are Tyco International, McDermott International, Ingersoll-Rand, Nabors Industries, a huge, Houston-based operator of oil-drilling rigs. Since they are now foreign corporations, they evade billions of dollars of US taxes. Shareholders - including pension funds - lose too. In Bermuda, corporate laws shift the balance of control from stockholders to a company's directors and severely limit investors' right to sue. There is no treaty with Bermuda guaranteeing the reciprocity of judgments—meaning stockholders may have a hard time ensuring American court orders are enforced. In addition, stockholders' ability to obtain information about Bermudan court decisions is limited: the island does not even maintain an official court reporter. Legislation to block the tax advantages of conversions was decimated by the Republicans, which applied only to future conversions.” <snip> ‘Offshore financial centers are, mostly, confidential and parallel financial systems segregated from the traditional banking structure of the jurisdiction and restricted to non-residents. There are more than 4000 offshore banks thought to exist in about 70 offshore jurisdictions. They lack the regulation and supervision of banks found in developed onshore jurisdictions. In many OFCs, a bank can be formed, registered and its ownership placed in the hands of nominee directors via the Internet. There are few, if any, disclosure requirements, bank transactions are free of exchange and interest rate restrictions, there are minimal or no capital reserve requirements, and transactions are mostly tax-free. Some OFCs permit the licensing and registration of ‘shell banks’ that exist only on paper and do not have a physical presence. They generally have legal frameworks designed to obscure the identity of the beneficial owner. Some OFCs offer the ability to form and manage secretly a variety of international business companies (IBCs), trusts, investment funds and insurance companies, many with nominee - that is front -directors, nominee officeholders and nominee shareholders.’ <snip> 9. Next, the program reviews “Transfer Pricing.” (For more about “Transfer Pricing”, see: http://www.spitfirelist.com/f458.html .) “DAVE: ‘How about ‘Transfer Pricing’? LUCY” ‘Is a way of evading taxes by allocating profits for tax and other purposes among parts of a multinational corporate group or to secretly owned companies. These front companies are always offshore in tax havens. Offshore ‘trading’ offices or companies handle imports and exports, buying a U.S. export from a company at a sharply reduced paper cost and selling it abroad for the real-world market value, so the exporting company makes no profit. That stays with the tax haven trading company. In the reverse, a company buys goods at a real price and ‘sells’ to the U.S. firm at a grossly inflated one, so the U.S. firm has a huge cost to deduct when it uses the item in manufacture or resells it at a loss. Two US professors used customs data to examine the impact of over-invoiced imports and under-invoiced exports on U.S. federal income tax revenues for 2001. The findings were staggering. Would you buy plastic buckets from the Czech Republic for $973 each, tissues from China at $1,870 a pound, a cotton dishtowel from Pakistan for $154? U.S. companies, at least on paper, were getting very little for their exported products. If you were in business, would you sell bus and truck tires to Britain for $11.74 each, color video monitors to Pakistan for $21.90, and prefabricated buildings to Trinidad for $1.20 a unit? After all the deductions, the U.S. company has minimal profits. The offshore centers levy no taxes on ‘profits’ claimed there. Comparing all the stated export and import prices to real-world prices, the professors figured the 2001 U.S. tax loss at $53.1 billion.” (Idem.) <snip> LUCY: ‘Following the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the U.S. started focusing its investigation on the financial trail of Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda network. Like any other large, global operation, international terrorists need to move large sums of money across borders clandestinely. In November, U.S. authorities named some banks that had bin Laden accounts, and it put them on a blacklist. One was Al Taqwa-’Fear of God’-registered in the Bahamas with offices in Lugano, Switzerland. Al Taqwa had access to the Clearstream system through its correspondent account with the Banca del Gottardo in Lugano, which has a published Clearstream account No. 74381. But Bin Laden may have other access to the unpublished system. In what he calls a ‘spectacular discovery,’ A series of 16 unpublished accounts had been opened under the name of the Saudi Investment Company, or SICO, the Geneva holding company of the bin laden family's Saudi Binladen Group it is run by Bin Laden's brother, Yeslam Binladen. SICO is associated with Dar AI-Maal-AI-lslami (DMI), an Islamic financial institution also based in Geneva and presided over by Saudi Prince Muhammed Al Faisal Al Saoud, and which directs millions a year to fundamentalist movements. DMI holds a share of the Al Shamal Islamic Bank of Sudan, which was set up in 1991 and partly financed by $50 million from Osama bin Laden.” (For more specific documentation, see: http://www.spitfirelist.com/f356.html ; http://www.spitfirelist.com/f357.html .) <much, much more, and then some> ======= related links: tax justice network http://www.taxjustice.net “The Fall of a Titan” by Lucy Komisar; AlterNet; 3/17/2005; http://www.alternet.org/story/21517 / “Take the Money and Run Offshore” by Lucy Komisar; AlterNet.) http://www.alternet.org/story/20788 / |
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Thu Jul-06-06 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
| 23. Weatherly Securities Corporation |
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 Weatherly Securities Corporation, part of Weatherly International, was a London based brokage firm with 110 employees in total and 60 working in the New York branch. It had their offices on the 29th floor in WTC2. All employees survived. Garden City branch office (UK) of Weatherly Securities was terminated as of October 2001, since it had become the subject of a series of substantial arbitration demands from customers asserting compensatory and punitive damage claims. (1) The company received $300,000 from the Block Recovery Grant and an SBA load for $750,000 (2) however Weatherly Security was shut down in September 2002 like their UK branch. The parent company Weatherly International has been working to chart a new course in the acquiring and investing of African natural resources businesses. In late 2005, Weatherly International acquired Puku Minerals Limited, a company owning development rights in a Zambia copper mining project (3) in Luanshya. The Luanshya copper mine is the oldest copper mine in Zambia. (4) Sources: 1. http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=2002011007... 2. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/371361p-315... 3. http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/102/102087.html 4. http://www.zambiatourism.com/travel/cities/copperbe.htm |
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Thu Jul-06-06 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
| 24. Equally strange GKN Securities |
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Edited on Thu Jul-06-06 07:44 PM by DrDebug
Consider the case of GKN Securities, a stock brokerage firm.
On Sept. 10, 2001, GKN formally notified the Securities and Exchange Commission and the National Association of Security Dealers that it had closed its doors more than a month earlier. "GKN is conducting no further business other than seeking to satisfy its remaining liabilities, which are substantially in excess of its remaining assets," the company wrote in an official filing. But the following year, GKN officials blamed the company's losses on the attacks. Empire State awarded the defunct company a $150,000 Business Recovery Grant and an additional $50,201 to a sister corporation, EarlyBird Capital. When The News called Firebrand Financial Group, which owned GKN and still owns EarlyBird, a secretary said GKN "has been out of business for years." David Nussbaum, former GKN president, who now works at EarlyBird, did not return numerous calls from The News. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/371361p-315... |
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Sat Jul-08-06 04:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
| 38. Freaky. |
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I tried to find some of those "businesses" that were listed and could not find anything except their mention as a tenant in the world trade center. You know what I think? I think they were part of the 911 "operation" and they closed shop around the time of 9-11. Maybe.
I also read in a book I have on The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center that the PA rented out empty space to artists, but I never have actually heard of an artist who rented space there. |
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Sat Jul-08-06 05:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
| 39. I think that many companies were virtual |
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A lot were small, but a lot were never in the WTC except in name only. It is specific floors were you have many companies and you'll also notice that there is no or hardly any information about the company and not the number of employees working in WTC either. It's already clear that 2201 and 7967 don't exist.
There are also pseudo virtual companies especially foreign companies who had an office in WTC which would be no more than a secretary and maybe one or two people, because that would enable them to say "Berlin - London - New York - Sydney - Tokyo" and use the WTC address for show and have a partnership somewhere in New Jersey for the US operations. Especially consulting firms have a habit of doing that, because the location is very important for those air heads. I don't think that all those knew, because things like that are pretty standard. On WTC1 you have 78th, 46th, 21st floor and on WTC2 18th floor which have too many companies. |
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Thu Jul-06-06 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
| 25. Another weird company: Anderson Davids & Cooper |
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Edited on Thu Jul-06-06 08:00 PM by DrDebug
Anderson David & Cooper is a company which does not exist and was supposed to occupy Suite 2201 of WTC1. It claimed to have six employees and three of them died (1) The irony is that the missing are not listed anywhere.
The name results in no google results: (2) There is no forwarding address except a phone# 212-213-4223 which is ... a hotel of course Also featured in the same suite: Dragon Coach, ChinaMallUSA.com Inc. and many more... See also: Suite 7967 Sources: 1. http://www.nymtc.org/files/Inventory_of_Affected_Busine... 2. I wonder how long it will take google to index this (or the PDF) |
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Mon Jul-10-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
| 48. Can't find a thing on 'em |
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Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 01:03 AM by mirandapriestly
which is unusual. Dragon Coach? Isn't that a low budget bus tour or something? Some of these businesses surprise me. I have speculated that they were having a really hard time leasing the space at the towers, which would be one incentive for getting rid of them. It also sounds, though, that no one wants to lease the new ones either, except those who "know" there is no danger of the same thing happening (although I think they airplane proofed them, but they were airplane proofed before)
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Fri Jul-07-06 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
| 26. One year ago: 7/7 |
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Edited on Fri Jul-07-06 04:41 AM by DrDebug
July 7th Timeline of Events An introduction to the many and varied reports of what happened on July 7th. This is working document with regular updates. 11 September 2001 The Mayor of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, was organising a ‘terror drill’ called Tripod II at New York’s Pier 92. (...) 6th July 2005 London awarded 2012 Olympics, leading to a mood of national jubilation G8 summit begins in Scotland, President Bush arrives at 3 pm. Mayor Giuliani, over from New York, spoke to UK councillors in Harrogate, Yorkshire, at a Local Government Association conference. He praised the ‘war on terror’ being conducted by Bush and Blair and the importance of taking a tough stance on the matter. He then travelled down to London that evening, staying at a hotel at Liverpool Street near where the Aldgate tube bomb went off. The purpose of his visit remained undisclosed. The Day of July 7th http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-timeline.html Investigating the 7/7 attacks http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewf... No al-Qaeda link (duh!) The official inquiry into the 7 July London bombings will say the attack was planned on a shoestring budget from information on the internet, that there was no 'fifth-bomber' and no direct support from al-Qaeda, although two of the bombers had visited Pakistan. The first forensic account of the atrocity that claimed the lives of 52 people, which will be published in the next few weeks, will say that attacks were the product of a 'simple and inexpensive' plot hatched by four British suicide bombers bent on martyrdom. Far from being the work of an international terror network, as originally suspected, the attack was carried out by four men who had scoured terror sites on the internet. Their knapsack bombs cost only a few hundred pounds, according to the first completed draft of the government's definitive report into the blasts. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1750139... I think it was an international terror network... 77 unanswered questions concerning 7/7 : by John Doe II This list is not a conclusive judgement on the investigation as it is still ongoing but a list that will help measure the quality of the investigation. A real investigation should come up with answers to every single question. Presenting this list is also a way of documenting that the critical public follows the investigation very carefully and has all theses questions it wished to be answered. Contrary to most of the media who have apparently forgotten that asking questions was once the main aspect of investigative journalism. 1. On 7/7 it was reported that the first blast happened at 8:51 (Liverpool Street), the second at 8:56 (King?s Cross/Russell Square)and the third at 9:17 (Edgware Road). Later this timeline was changed and it was said that the first three blasts happened within 50 seconds. The Metropolitan Police states: These timings are supported by software used by London Underground to monitor the lines. Why did it take 2 whole days to realize that the timeline was completely wrong ? 2. On 7/7 it was noted 0924 British Transport Police say the incident was possibly caused by a collision between two trains, a power cut or a power cable exploding. Police report "walking wounded". 3. The given explanation for the wrong timeline was: They attributed the discrepancy to the fact that no one phoned in the explosion at the Edgware Road station as a bomb until 9:17 a.m. -- some 25 minutes after it actually occurred. 4. Taken for granted that in fact there was no possibility to inform anybody in the outside world then why was apparently the informing of the outside world possible immediately in the first blast, five minutes later for the second and 26 minutes for the third? Why the big discrepancies in this three cases? (...) 77. It is claimed that the UK received some warnings prior to 7/7 And not to forget: Why does Premier Tony Blair rule out a bomb inquiry? http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewt... 7/7 and 9/11 : Too many parallels by John Doe II Every researcher of 911 must immediately have realized the many striking parallels between 9/11 and 7/7. Parallels not in the way the operation was done but striking parallels in many details that already for 911 raised suspicion. Here a short list of the parallels: (I won't give the sources for 911. They are well known. If anybody needs sources please let me know) http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewt... Kingstar by The Antogonist     Kingstar offer a number of other services, the most interesting of which, to the mind of The Antagonist, is that of "controlled demolition", more specifically:  http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/08/77-london-bus-ex... Kingstar a part of AMEC. See Pentagon. See "WTC" Controlled Cleanup.  |
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Fri Jul-07-06 05:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
| 28. Possible drugs connection to the patsies |
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6. The four men thought they were going to be delivering drugs or money to various locations round London, but were deceived, set up and murdered along with the others on their tubes and bus when their back packs exploded. Many of the details people take to support the first three stories could also support this explanation. For example, the trips to Pakistan could have facilitated the setting up of drug deals. How were the Pakistan trips financed? Jamal Lindsay’s reported purchase of large amounts of perfume, the purchases of boxes and rucksacks all fit the drugs hypothesis, either to hide the smell or as a means of laundering money. Drugs are a common way for patsies to be drawn into position. Those who have analysed 9/11 believe that Mohammed Atta and co probably thought they were being trained to fly 'puddlejumpers' for the CIA in Afghanistan (see ‘Terrorland’ by Daniel Hopsicker) William Bowles was one of those who set out the drugs version in Dead Men Tell No Tales: Were the London Bombings A Set Up? Opinions differ as to whether such a rucksack delivery system for drugs is plausible (or would have seemed plausible to the four 'mules') - some say that you would drive round London with the stuff in the boot of your hired car. However, they may have set out to do just that; the Luton story and picture could be quite false – (see hypothesis 8.) They may also have thought they were delivering money – apparently not so unusual in some Asian networks. One analysis tending to support the 'duped' notion (version 6 or 7) is the following: http://www.brushtail.com.au/july_05_on/london_bombers_d... Much more at: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-hypotheses.html See also: al-Cokeda |
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Sat Jul-08-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
| 41. That's right, they exposed the drug angle |
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while the US hid it, although there are traces.
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Fri Jul-07-06 07:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
| 32. Reasonable and Rudy |
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Edited on Fri Jul-07-06 07:24 AM by DrDebug
Rea·son·a·ble Capable of reasoning; rational: a reasonable person. Governed by or being in accordance with reason or sound thinking: a reasonable solution to the problem. Being within the bounds of common sense: arrive home at a reasonable hour. Not excessive or extreme; fair: reasonable prices. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reasonable Open question to Rudolph Giulani Mr. Giulani. Can you explain your presence in London on 7/7 with reasonable arguments. Because that is the most important word here. Your behavior during September 11 was such that the mayor can be considered a major suspect and I think that in this multi-part thread there is sufficient documentation. There are many unanswered questions with regards to 9/11 specifically the destruction of over one million tons of evidence in a crime against humanity and a bunker high up in the air which wasn't needed for its intended purpose. The key question is London, because that defies reasonable doubt IMO. |
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Fri Jul-07-06 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
| 27. Anthrax and Versar |
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Versar was founded in 1969 as an environmental services firm that provided "a variety of technical and scientific services
Versar Project Areas: Centech Group, Inc. Centech Group, Inc. is one of Versar subsidiaries. The Centech Group, Inc., founded in 1988 by Fernando V. Galaviz, counts itself "among the leading worldwide providers of government Information Technology (IT) systems and solutions for a wide range of military and civilian programs," with its "core competencies ... systems engineering and integration, network operations, knowledge management, data administration, integrated document management, software solutions and computer facilities operation and support." In the past fifteen years, Centech has served "government and corporate clients on more than 1,800 contracts ... within numerous government agencies and departments including the DOD, DOT, U.S. Treasury, State Department and Commerce Department, among others." CENTECH is the only approved manufacturer of a decontamination system for the United Sates Army. The M22 Decon Dragon 3000 is a high temperature, high-pressure (3000psi) or high-flow (40gpm) pressure washer designed for chemical, biological, and nuclear particulate decontamination. The M22 also has the ability to incorporate non-caustic chemicals into the spray for increased performance. CENTECH works with a team of suppliers who make the highest quality equipment in the industry and we can help you make the right decisions regarding the type of equipment needed to mitigate a weapons of mass destruction incident. Please contact us to discuss your acquisition of equipment to mitigate any CBRN incident. Sources: 1. http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Versar%2C_Inc . 2. http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Centech_Group%2C... . Linked Anthrax thread: |
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Fri Jul-07-06 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
| 29. There are a big chunk of Chilean Oil related co's |
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Chilean Government Trade Bureau (ProChile) 51 Suite 5151 2000 (year they signed lease)
Chilean National Petroleum Company (Empresa Nacional del Petroleo - ENAP) 51 Suite 5151 2000 Chilean Production Promotion Center (Corporacion de Fomento de la Produccion - CORFO) 51 Suite 5151 2000 Chilean Trading Corporation 51 Suite 5151 1995 Which relate to the Salvador Allende posts: (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... |
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Fri Jul-07-06 06:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
| 30. And our friend Oscar Fanjul who is also from Chile |
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European Investment Bank On a proposal from the President approved by the Board of Directors at its meeting on 3 March 2005, Mr Oscar Fanjul has been appointed Alternate Expert Member of the Board of Directors to succeed Mr Manuel Conthe following the latter's resignation. His term of office runs until the day of the Bank's Annual Meeting in 2008. Oscar Fanjul was born in Santiago de Chile in 1949. He holds a PhD in Economics and has been a full professor at the Universidad Autonoma de Madrid, and a Visiting Scholar at Harvard University and at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He was the Founder Chairman and CEO of Repsol, S.A., from its creation in 1986 until 1996, and is currently Honorary Chairman of the Company. He has also held the post of Chairman of Hidroelectrica del Cantabrico. At present, he is Vice Chairman of Omega Capital. He is also a member of the Boards of Unilever (Advisory Director), the London Stock Exchange, Ericsson, S.A., the Marsh & McLennan Companies; Acerinox and Tecnicas Reunidas. He is on the International Advisory Boards of The Chubb Corporation and of the European Advisory Board of The Carlyle Group and Sviluppo Italia, as well as being an International Advisor to Goldman Sachs. He started his professional career at the industrial holding I.N.I. in 1972, and has also worked at the Confederacion Espanola Cajas de Ahorros. He served during 1983 and 1984 as Technical Secretary General and Undersecretary of the Ministry of Industry and Energy. He is a member of the Trilateral Commission and has been a member of the Competitiveness Advisory Group to the President of the European Commission. http://www.eib.eu.int/news/news.asp?news=93&style=print... The Bilderberg wasn't mentioned were he was on the 5–8 May 2005 meeting. It seems that they did list the Trilateral. |
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Fri Jul-07-06 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
| 31. fuji bank |
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actually had different companies on each floor. Here is a brochure from 1999. There was a holding company, a leasing company, an investment company, not really banking per se, so I'm sure there is more to it than meets the eye. They also have an offshore company ,but not in the wtc.
http://www.mizuho-fg.co.jp/pdf/annual/fbk/data9903a_fbk... |
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Fri Jul-07-06 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
| 33. It's also time to let others continue this investigation |
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Personally I think that most things have been documented. It's not perfect, but it's very strong and I think it gives a good overview of 9/11. Still needs summaries, additional material, references, however I am very pleased. Other events like 3/11 and 7/7 have mentioned as well. There is a theory about 3/11 which needs further study. 7/7 has many questions and it'll take time before we'll get to the stage where 9/11 is at this point, however I am very hopeful and didn't expect that we could have solved this to this level being mere amateurs.
Everybody and every company mentioned here is innocent until proven guilty. There can be reasonable doubt for many of the players. In my humble opinion it is Rudy Giulani who has gone beyond reasonable doubt ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... ). Let's hope that all this documentation will come to positive fruitation. In memoriam:  http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/ |
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Sat Jul-08-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
| 36. thank you DrDebug |
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And mirandapriestly of course.
I'm not exactly sure what i'll do with all this, but i've got it stored just in case. |
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Sat Jul-08-06 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
| 34. self delete (hit post too soon) |
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Sat Jul-08-06 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
| 35. Avid Technologies, edit work on Atta tape & EMC |
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Avid Technologies does a lot of Defense work. They also helped make the image of Atta & Omari "more clear" in the Logan Airport Video, using software called dTective. I have looked at those images and thought that there was something strange about them & I would like to know just how "clear" they made the pictures. Did they basically superimpose the faces of Atta and Olmari over the heads of the figures? When I enlarged the picture it looked like masks were put over their faces, try it. And, coincidence, just like Raytheon, who also contracted to defense, they lost someone on a flight on 9-11, flight 175.
 Anyway, now we come full circle back to Andrew Grove. He talked about Legato as a criminal software company and their connection to Marsh. Legato was eventually was bought by EMC. Todd Beamer's father was a ceo for Legato bought by EMC which was involved in bank fraud relating to paying the terrorists. They signed their checks "let's roll"- So EMC also bought Avid. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Quote from Grove- "One might also find it interesting that EMC’s Founder, Richard Eagan, was Dick Cheney’s largest fundraiser in 2000, and was appointed by G.W. Bush as Ambassador to Ireland in his first term. Coincidence? Only if you are missing the information which connects them all…" http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/... Company helps 9/11 probe after losing one of its own By Denise Lavoie, Associated Press TEWKSBURY, Mass. — Like many businesses, Avid Technology Inc. lost one of its own in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Douglas Gowell, the company's director of new business development, was traveling to Los Angeles to promote a new product when Flight 175 slammed into the World Trade Center. ... The company loaned the FBI digital editing equipment that allowed investigators to enhance and sharpen video images of two of the hijackers taken hours before the attacks. One of the images showed lead hijacker Mohamed Atta and another one of the hijackers, Abdulaziz Alomari, passing through a security checkpoint at the Portland, Maine, airport at 5:45 a.m. on Sept. 11. Hours later, they were at Logan International Airport in Boston. In the weeks after the attacks, the airport image of Atta was shown repeatedly on televisions around the world. Investigators used the enhanced images to retrace the hijackers' steps in Portland. Surveillance cameras filmed the pair at an automated teller machine, a gas station and a Wal-Mart store. The FBI released the images to the public, generating many tips from Portland residents who saw the pair the day before the attacks. ..." (I wonder if they worked on anything else that was shown repeatedly on televisions around the world?) Other defense work (basically spying on people) : http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/security/has071010... MILITARY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT SUBCOMMITTEE "Today, there are several uses for VirtualPerimeter and LiveWave's technologies. Just a couple months ago LiveWave was selected by NBC News to put a camera, a broadcast camera system at Ground Zero in New York, our cameras being fed via fiber back to MSNBC and from there it is offered as a pool camera to several other cable networks and broadcast networks. ...We are also working with several municipal police departments, port authority, transit systems, military bases, that have requested pilot programs and other types of implementations to demonstrate the technology and work toward a large full-scale implementations." ..."The ability to access and control these cameras is critical, especially when monitoring assets that are spread out. We then take our core technology, being the software to control cameras and we coupled those third party complimentary hardware and software, in particular we are working with a company in Tewksbury, Massachusetts called Avid Technology, and Avid has developed—they are actually the pioneer in digital video, editing and video enhancement. They have been around for quite some time. And, taking their core technology for back-end video management and analysis and tying it into our front-end for controlling cameras and distributing video in real-time has created a very compelling system that we are calling VirtualPerimeter" |
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Sat Jul-08-06 03:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
| 37. What are the odds |
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this many people would have died on planes on 9-11 who were working for Raytheon or defense contractors. There is also a common thread between the people who died in the Pentagon- most of them were accountants or budget analysts,(amidst the money scandal) a high ranking budget analyst for the Pentagon was on one of the planes, what are the odds? what's going on here?
DOD #1 - Flight 77 (North Tower): Bryan Jack, of Alexandria, VA. He was a program head in the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon, where he had worked for 23 years and was a top budget analyst. If you look at who did in the Pentagon , you will see it is mostly budget/accountant people. DOD#2 - Raytheon #1- Flight 175 (Pentagon): Herb Homer, of Milford, Ma. A Raytheon appointee (corporate executive) working for Defense Contract Management Agency. Raytheon #2 - Flight 11 (South Tower): Kenneth Waldie of Meuthuen, MA., US Naval Officer, Ret., and worked for Raytheon as Senior Quality Control Engineer in Electronic Systems. He was not supposed to be on the flight, due to fly the following day. There is no public explanation why he pushed his flight forward a day, but it cost him his life Raytheon #3 - Flight 11: Peter Gay, of Tewksbury, MA, was VP of Operations for Electronic Systems Division of Raytheon in El Segundo. He should have been on a flight the day earlier, but postponed his trip one day. There is no explanation why, but it cost him his life. His wife saids he had been very upset about something. Raytheon #4 - Flight 11: David P. Kovalcin, Hudson N.H. He was a Senior Quality Control Engineer for Raytheon's Electronic Systems in Tewksbury. Raytheon #5 - Flight 77: Stanley Hall, of (Clifton, Va) Rancho Palos Verdes. He was a Program Director for Electronic Systems at Raytheon in Arlington, Va, described as Raytheon's 'dean of electronic warfare' by colleagues. Having two residences listed in various resources, and other anomalies in job descriptions and commentaries, suggest he may have been involved in intelligence matters. Veridian (Raytheon #6) - Flight 11: John Yamnicky, of Waldorf, Md. He was a former Naval officer of 30 years who worked for Veridian as an aeronautical engineer. Veridian is a producer of flight control modeling software for the military and civilian aerospace industry and is a subcontractor to Raytheon Boeing #1 - Flight 77: Chandler Keller, of Marina Del Rey (and El Segundo) worked for Boeing as a propulsion engineer or a satellite communications engineer, depending on which official version you accept. All three Boeing employees killed have suffered the same employment obscufication. Boeing #2 - Flight 77: Ruben Ornedo, of Los Angeles, also a propulsion engineer or satellite communications engineer, according to which story you accept Boeing #3 - Flight 77: Dong Lee, of Leesburg, Va also a propulsion engineer or satellite communications engineer, according to which story you accept Xontech #1 (Boeing #4) - Flight 11: John Sammartino, of Annandale, Va. near CIA's Langley and the Pentagon.) He was a Technical Manager for XonTech (Arlington), a defense contractor and Boeing subcontractor Xontech #1 (Boeing #5) - Flight 77: Leonard Taylor, Reston Va, near CIA's Langley and the Pentagon) Technical Group Manager for Xontech BAE Systems #1 (Boeing #6) (Raytheon #7) - Flight 11: Charles Jones, of Bedford, Ma., spent 24 years with the USAF and was qualified to fly the Space Shuttle. He worked for BAE's Information and Electronic Warfare Systems and Information Dominance Divisions as program manager, and was awarded the National Military Intelligence Award for services rendered. BAE Systems is a major military contractor and intelligence community contractor (a true multinational arms maker, originally British, partnering with Sweden's SAAB, Airbus, and eventually, Lockheed Martin) involved in unmanned flight control systems, specifically to include Global Hawk Research with Raytheon. BAE Systems #2 (Boeing #7) (Raytheon #8) - Flight 77): Robert Penninger, of Poway, Ca. He was an electrical engineer for BAE Systems, serving as Program Director for Missions Solutions in San Diego BAE Systems #3 (Boeing #8) (Raytheon #9) - Flight 175: Gerald Moran, of Rockville, Md., was working in the Pentagon on behalf of BAE's Applied Technologies when killed by the impact of Flight 77 BAE Systems #4 (Boeing #9) (Raytheon #10) - Flight 93 (hero flight): Edward Porter Felt, of Matawan, N.J. , Kearfott Guidance and Navigation.) He worked for BAE Systems and had been ordered to fly to San Francisco on Business BTG # 1 (Boeing #10) (Raytheon #11) - Pentagon: Scott Powell, Silver Spring, Md, worked for BTG, Inc., a partner with Raytheon, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, International Research Inc. (INRI), all of which have been involved in Global Hawk BTG #2 (Boeing #11) (Raytheon #12) - Pentagon: Edmond Young, Owings, Md, near CIA's Langley and the Pentagon) also worked for BTG Booze-Allen and Hamilton #1 (Pentagon): Gerald P. Fisher, Potomac Md, Worked at the Pentagon for CIA enmeshed Booze and Hamilton, a consulting firm involved in many projects for the military, intelligence community, and involving military contractors such as Boeing, Raytheon Booze-Allen and Hamilton #2 (Pentagon): Terence Lynch, Alexandria, Va, Worked at the Pentagon Booze-Allen and Hamilton #3 (Pentagon): Earnest Willcher, N. Potomac, Worked at the Pentagon General Electric/Honeywell - Flight 11: Janice Lasden, Peabody, Ma. She was and employee of defense contractor General Electric, who is merging with Honeywell (in Europe only), a subcontractor on Global Hawk Lockheed Martin #1 (Raytheon #13) - Flight 77: Robert L. Ploger III, of Annandale, Va. worked for 20 years at Lockheed Martin as a software engineer. Lockheed Martin is a subcontractor to Raytheon on Global Hawk responsible for the communications system which are at the heart of its navigational capabilities Avid Technologies (Lockheed Martin #2) (Raytheon #14) - Flight 93: Douglas Gowell, Methuen, Ma. worked for Avid Technologies, a defense contractor and subcontractor to Lockheed Martin and Raytheon MITRE - Flight 175: Carl Max Hammond, Jr., of Westford, Ma. A researcher at MIT and employed by MITRE, . MITRE is also very big in Homeland Defense and the Total Information Awareness project for the Pentagon, a very Big Brother company William E. Caswell was a third-generation physicist whose work at the Navy was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. They don't even know exactly why he was headed to Los Angeles on the doomed American Airlines Flight 77. |
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Thu Jul-13-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
| 59. DOD again lost a trillion in 2002 |
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I think you said that maybe it was to hide the costs of 9/11, because the missing trillions are pretty standard.
Project for the Exposure of Hidden Institutions Unacknowledged Special Access Programs (...) A big questions that remains of course is how all these projects are funded. The official black budget of the DoD would be the most likely explanation, but there are 'indications' that the U.S. economy is being plundered for at least $1 trillion every year (yes, about 10% of GNP). Because no one is going to believe this without reading the full original sources, I cached all the mainstream news reports at the bottom of this article. I extracted the following numbers from these reports:
References to the missing annual trillions (no typo) in the DOD and other government agencies: 1. April 1, 1999, Washington Times, '$3,400,000,000,000 Of Taxpayers' Money Is Missing' 2. November 6, 2000, Insight Magazine, 'Why Is $59 Billion Missing From HUD *?' 3. June 25, 2001, Insight Magazine, 'THE CABINET - Inside HUD's * Financial Fiasco' 4. September 3, 2001, Insight Magazine, 'Rumsfeld Inherits Financial Mess' 5. September 28, 2001, Insight Magazine, 'Wasted Riches' 6. January 29, 2002, CBS News, 'The War on Waste - Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion' 7. April 29, 2002, Insight Magazine, 'Government Fails Fiscal Fitness Test' 8. May 18, 2003, San Francisco Chronicle, 'Military waste under fire $1 trillion missing -- Bush plan targets Pentagon accounting' 9. May 19, 2003, CBS, 'Pentagon Fights For (Its) Freedom' 10. May 22, 2003, The Guardian, 'So much for the peace dividend: Pentagon is winning the battle for a $400bn budget' 11. June 28, 2003, NPR's Morning Edition, Congressman Dennis Kucinich mentions the missing trillions. 12. April 6, 2004, USA Today, 'NASA costs can't be verified, GAO report says' 13. March 2005, Senate Armed Services Committee, FY 2006 Defense Dept. Budget (congresswoman Cynthia McKinney asks some hard questions) [br /> Excerpted from: http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/USAPs.htm * HUD was of course the responsibility our friend Mel Martinez whose name always comes up in Election 2000 Fraud, al Cokeda, Skyway's 5.5 tons of cocaine. Public Domain: Congressional Record  Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney asks questions about the missing trillions to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and DOD comptroller Tina Jonas. FY 2006 Defense Department Budget Senate Armed Services Committee March 2005 Broadcasted by C-Span MCKINNEY: According to the Comptroller-General of the United States there are serious financial management problems at the Pentagon to which mr. Cooper alluded. Fiscal year 1999, 2.3 trillion missing; fiscal year 2000, 1.1 trillion missing. And the DOD is the number one reason why the government can't balance its checkbook. The Pentagon has claimed year after year that the reason it can't account for the money is because its computers don't communicate with each other. My second question, mr. secretary, is who has the contracts today to make those systems communicate with each other, how long have they had those contracts, and how much have the taxpayers paid for them? RUMSFELD: ... I forgot what the second question was. MCKINNEY: I think miss Jonas knowns it. JONAS: Thank you, mrs. McKinney, I appreciate the question, I appreciate your interest in our department's financial condition, and we are working very hard on that program. I just came back recently.... MCKINNEY: I understand you're working hard on it, but my question was who has the contracts, how long have they had that contract, and how much money have we spent on it? JONAS: In general we spent about 20 billion dollars in the department on information technology systems. The accounting systems, or part of that, I can give you the exact number for the record of what we spent on our current, of what we call our legacy systems and those that we're moving toward. MCKINNEY: And who has the contracts? JONAS: There would be a multitude of individuals... MCKINNEY: Could you name some, please? JONAS: Well, uh, I think of the top of the, my head... well, I would rather not. I would rather provide that for the record. MCKINNEY: That's not privileged information, is it? JONAS: I'm sure it's not. MCKINNEY: Well, please. We still have time. So, please. JONAS: I would be glad to provide it for the record. I don't want to talk from the top of my head and be incorrect. http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/USAPs/200... Rumsfeld has of course forgotten the question again and Jonas never could find the answer. Now the Lord had commanded a great whale to swallow up Jonas Jonas 2:1 http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Jonas/Jonas%20LXX.htm |
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Thu Jul-13-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
| 60. Pentagon finance manager resigns Dov Zakheim |
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Thu Jul-13-06 08:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
| 61. Let's excerpt this part: Flight Termination System |
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 Dov Zakheim was CEO of Systems Planning Corp and they make the Flight Termination System. http://www.ndu.edu/inss/symposia/jointops00/zakheim.htm... System Planning Corporation's is proud to offer the Flight Termination System (FTS), a fully redundant turnkey range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles. The FTS consists of SPC's Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing and challenging requirements of today's modern test ranges.   http://www.sysplan.com / |
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Thu Jul-13-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
| 64. THOSE THAT CRIPPLED AMERICA'S POSITION IN THE WORLD |
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WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN
BUT THE WIND OF JAH WILL SCATTER THEM AWAY  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Washington is unraveling. "What these revelations provide is a window into Babylon or the last stages of Rome," explains a source with knowledge of the multiple ongoing investigations.  BANDULU: bandit, criminal, one living by guile BANDULU BIZNESS is a racket, a swindle  Wires and Watchtowers How can the wicked smile while the world is burning How can they turn their eyes and walk away How can the blue bloods hide, while brothers killing brothers Why do they divide I and I for diamonds and gold The dreams of children they float to the sky And wires and watchtowers can’t bring their demise Tell me why oh why are we so blind The treasures of love lay buried inside Tell me why oh why do we deny The chains of Babylon are all in our mind The murderers clouds can’t keep the sun from shining The wind of Jah will scatter them away The murderers clouds can’t keep the sun from shining Jah will scatter he who has no shame The dreams of children they float to the sky And wires and watchtowers can’t bring their demise Tell me why oh why are we so blind The treasures of love lay buried inside Tell me why oh why do we deny The chains of Babylon are all in our mind Tell me why oh why are we so blind The treasures of love lay buried inside Tell me why oh why do we deny The chains of Babylon are all in our mind Thievery Corporation |
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Thu Jul-13-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
| 65. Bandulas in Babylon. What Did You Do? |
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Oklahoma City New York City |
