Is anybody keeping track of the micro-biologist deaths?

[The Backlash Cometh]

I know someone had a list of the names, dates and details of their untimely deaths. I just couldn't remember if they started after 9/11? Or before?

Does anybody know if Judith Miller ever interviewed any of them since that seemed to be up her alley?

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[electropop]

2. ? Interested to hear more about this!

Could there be any connection with Frist's anthrax plot?

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. One never knows...

...and the intelligence agencies want to keep it that way.

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[Sperk]

4. I count 19 in under 2 years

n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. Pretty risky business.

[wakeme2008]

7. While a lot of them have died in a short period of time

I have never seen a common link between all of them. So IMHO it is a :shrug:

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Most of them have been murdered?

That a pretty high rate for one profession if the murders were just random acts. I don't think so. Just like all the Enron related suicides in 1991. When someone shots himself in the head more then once, it's not a suicide.

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Correction to the above post

I meant 2001 not 1991.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Exactly. I kept wondering if they had met at a symposium?

Or maybe it wasn't that they knew each other, but that the sum of their research could create problems if someone was brilliant enough to put it all together?

To my knowledge, only David Kelley had any direct ties to Judith Miller, but Judith Miller, if she had been a reporter on biological warfare (or something of that gist) might have been aware of each and every one of their specialities -- for what it's worth.

Then you have to take into account that even if someone was targeting them, a few of the deaths just might be coinky-dinkys and trying to find a tie between all 19 is the wrong way to go.

[wakeme2008]

11. There could have been a common "forum" link

or a "common project" that they were working on that they did not want public to know... But I would expect once they started to die off, the remaining members would have said something to somebody.

[Ufomammut]

13. I'm sure many have or did, and...

Increased the chance that they'll be removed from the equation as well.

Like so many things, you're not going to hear it discussed in mainline media, which is what determines "truth" and "reality" for many people.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Unless they didn't know they were working on the same project?

I found it interesting in the Science Fiction show, "Surface," that scientists that participated in the disaster didn't really know each other because it involved a thousand or so. Only a government could have participated in such a long-range research, unless and until a private corporation bought the infra-structure. (tee-hee)

[rman]

16. Common links: all biochemists, all died in a short period of time

There may be more, but it's is pretty suspicious already.

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. And many from suspicisous or unsolved violent acts, too

I guess that's what got my attention about all of them.

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[GreatCaesarsGhost]

12. i thought about this yesterday after hearing gary null

talk about gulf war syndrome on his radio show. he said that perhaps 15,000 vets have died

because of the drugs soldiers had to take and how the government deleted all records of who got what and

therefore a vet couldn't prove that his/her problems were related to any drugs the government forced

them to take. so, perhaps these microbiologists deaths were more related to gulf war syndrome than 9/11.

[Ufomammut]

14. Or, related to the "useful," upcoming pandemic

[mcscajun]

15. This comes up periodically. There was one very detailed thread

here at DU some time back. I'll post bits and links here:


LONG master list of scientists, microbiologists with odd demises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3250686&mesg_id=3250686

"the list starts in 1982.
Besides, the American Society of Microbiolgists has over 42,000 members. (http://a-s.clayton.edu/science/societies.htm ) How hard can it be to find 20-40 deaths over a period of well over a decade of people who were killed in robberies, in car accidents, or heart attacks, or who killed themselves??"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3250686&mesg_id=3257294

"...most of the biology-related deaths on the list aren't "microbiologists" or "infectious disease experts", and are drawn from a number of biology-related disciplines. You could draw up a similar list for engineers, lawyers, or teachers."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3250686&mesg_id=3261310

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. You're going to get deleted.

For some reason the moderators deleted the links to other webpages that answered my question.

[mcscajun]

28. Several hours later...still here.

Perhaps because all my links are internal to DU.

:)

[Catrina]

20. Over 60 have died since Oct. 2001 according to this list ~ many were

accidents, murders plane crashes, etc. Some appear to have died of natural causes, but the number who've died seems to have escalated since 9/11 ~

This link has information on how they all died and has photos etc. It also includes many other articles on individuals' lives and deaths ~ it's the most comprehensive list I've been able to find ~

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead.scientist.news.html#Anchor-49575

Recently, in another thread, there was an article about some Scientist group using the FOIA to get access to some documents in the Valerie Plame affair I believe. People were wondering what interest scientists might have in the Valerie Plame case. The only connection I could think of was Dr. Kelley who died right in the middle of the timeline (July, 2003 ) of the possible conspiracy to out Valerie Plame. But that was just a guess ~

Judith Miller, it has been revealed, received an email from Dr. Kelley a week before his death. She didn't mention this when she wrote about his death. His family released the email later ~ she was in contact with him, but whether she interviewed him or not, I don't know.

When I read some of the articles in the above link, there was some connection between Dr. Kelley and at least two of the dead scientists, I think one of them was Dr. Wiley ~

I do remember seeing a report on the death of one of those listed in the link a while ago.

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. I hope you don't get deleted.

For some inexplicable reason, the moderator is removing all the links to webpages that can provide information on this subject.

[Catrina]

22. Why would it be deleted? The information is available online

I just did a search and used the list that seemed to have the most information in one place ~ is there a rule about this subject? If so, I was not aware of it ~

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. I don't know.

They deleted 3-4 posts already from this thread that had links to renses for example.

[QuettaKid]

24. the MODS deleted my initial response

which referenced FromTheWilderness.com Mike Ruppert, well known conspiracy theorist.
:sarcasm:

[salvorhardin]

25. Beause Steve Quayle

Is a survivalist nutcase who believes that giants are real, built all the great monuments of the ancient world and are secretly controlling a vast authoritarian world government (among other things). Because Steve Quayle is a far right conspiracist who believes Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed. Because Steve Quayle is not a credible source of information. And yes, there is a rule about conspiracy sites. SteveQuayle.com is a conspiracy site.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. AAaaaaaaahhhh. Makes sense.

So they'll leave the links to the sites that are not considered conspiracy sites that contain the same information?

[salvorhardin]

27. Yes

I don't know how DU instructs its' mods but there is a distinction between a site that says, "Gee... isn't it odd that all these microbiologists have died?" and a website that promotes that question as part of some vast, far-flung conspiracy (or frequently many conspiracies). The difference is between a conspiracy, and conspiracism. You might be interested in this essay by Richard Hofstadter on what those differences are:
http://neuralgourmet.com/theparanoidstyle

FWIW, Here's the detailed rules for DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Most conspiracist sites actually fall under the bigotry clause as most conspiracist sites promote antisemitism, racism and xenophobia as part of the conspiracy. An example of this would be the rumor that Jews were absent from the World Trade Center towers on 9-11. Justin Raimondo also promotes thinly disguised antisemitism through his 9-11 conspiracy theories as does David Icke. Most New World Order conspiracy theories are built around antisemitism.

Here's the section of the DU rules that directly pertains though:

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If you would like to know if a particular website is restricted, please contact an administrator.

I'm not sure then why the posts above were deleted. I didn't get to see them before they were pulled. You can always ask the administrators though: http://www.democraticunderground.com/contact.html

[file83]

33. Correction. SteveQuayle.com is a fantasy conspiracy website.

His "conspiracies" are based in fantasy, not reality. The microbiologist death story is real. 9/11 is real. Ghosts and giants and repitilion shape shifters is fantasy.

He is not in the same category as Michal Ruppert, Alex Jones, or Peter Lance. Let's be clear on this. Rense is somewhere between.

[mcscajun]

29. In the very large population of microbiologists and scientists over

a long time frame, this isn't particularly compelling.

See my reply upthread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=76188&mesg_id=76206

[philb]

30. Howard Hughes Medical Institute Connection to MicroB deaths

Lots of Dead Bioterrorism Researchers:
The Wiley/Saitoh/Trias/Schwartz Connection to HHMI & Bioterrorism Research

1956: Howard Hughes, Texas millionaire who had inherited Hughes Tool Co., specializing in drill bits for oil wells, had expanded into aircraft design and manufacturing. He was buying his way toward control of the U.S. electoral process. He bought Senators, Governors, etc. He had developed Hughes Aircraft's position as the U.S.'s leading defense contractor. He finally bought his last (and biggest) politician: newly elected Vice President Richard M. Nixon, via a $205,000 non-repayable "loan," secured by a $13,000 vacant lot, to Nixon's brother Donald. The money was ostensibly for Donald's failing restaurant, "Nixonburger," in Whittier, California. A few months later, the restaurant closed. The money was never repaid. Instead, Donald Nixon used it to finance his way into Mob-connected real estate operations.
Early 1957: V.P. Nixon repaid the favor by having the IRS and Treasury Department grant tax-free status (refused twice before) to the "Hughes Medical Foundation", sole owner of Hughes Aircraft, creating a tax-free, non-accountable money funnel or laundry for whatever Hughes wanted to do. The U.S. Government also shelved various anti-trust suits against Hughes' TWA (Trans World Airlines), etc.

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YOU WILL ALSO NOTICE IN THE REST OF THE POST THAT THIS LAB WAS INVOLVED IN THE FOOT & MOUTH SCAM IN THE UK, MANY BIOWARFARE ORGANISMS INCLUDING SMALLPOX, THE CREATION OF A MUTANT CELL THAT CAUSES CANCER AND WEIRD SOCIAL STUDIES DONE IN TEXAS HIGH SCHOOLS THAT SOUND LIKE TAVISTOCK SOCIETRY PROJECTS.
THE HUGHES MEDICAL FOUNDATION LOOKS LIKE A WAY TO FUND BLACK PROJECTS THAT NOT ONLY SUPPORT THE ARMS AND DRUG TRADES BUT FUND THE DEVELOPEMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF OTHER MEANS OF CONTROL LIKE BIOWARFARE AND PSYOPS.
INTO WHOSE HANDS IS ALL THIS POWER AND CONTROL NOW? IS THIS WHAT WILEY FOUND OUT? DID HE FINALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE SICKOS WERE ALL ABOUT?
I have been going over archive news reports and found the following that is of interest.
Also, in 1996 Dr. Tsunao Saitoh world class scientist, CJD, Alzheimer Disease neurological researcher was murdered along with his daughter in what LaJolla police call a very professional hit. Dr. Saitoh had been associated with HHMI, Columbia Univ. lab before taking a position at UCSD.

In 1994, Jose Trias and his wife were murdered in their Chevy Chase, Md. home. They had met with a friend and journalist the day before their murder. They told him that they planned to come foward and divulge HHMI funding of "special ops" research. Grant money that comes (as they put it) in the front door of HHMI, but is diverted "out the back door" to special black ops research projects.

Dr. Wiley was associated with Howard Hughes Med. Inst. lab at Harvard. Dr. Robert Schwartz founded the Virginia Center for Innovative Technology. He was also responsible for grant funding of various research projects. Va. Center for Innovative Technology is also affiliated with Va. Biotech Association.
It was reported that Dr. Robert Schwartz was murdered in a secluded farmhouse outside of Leesberg, Loudon County, Va. Was this the same HHMI farmhouse?
What research was going on at the HHMI farmhouse? Was there a lab there as well as offices? Was Dr. Schwartz expertise in DNA sequencing being used in HHMI special research? What about Dr. Wiley's expertise i.e. infectivity and immunity of viruses, bacterias and mycoplasmas?
Patricia Doyle, PhD
http://www.stormtronic.co.uk/911/schwartz hhmi.htm

http://www.crystal.harvard.edu/wiley/
http://www.hhmi.org/research/investigators/wiley.html
HISTORY OF HHMI http://www.qrc.com/hhmi/mission/history/mileston.htm
HHMI BEHIND POLICY FOR FOOT & MOUTH SCAM IN THE UK http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/sept2001/hoofandmouth/index.html


14 top microbiologist bioterrorism researchers murdered in recent times, 5 in one month after 9-11 Events.
A Career In Microbiology Can Be Harmful To Your Health (Revised - updated)DEATH TOLL MOUNTING AS CONNECTIONS TO DYNCORP, HADRON, PROMIS SOFTWARE AND DISEASE RESEARCH EMERGEby Michael Davidson, FTW staff writer and Michael C. Ruppert

www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html

some of the links may no longer work

[Catrina]

31. Thank you for the information, everyone ~ Wow! that is fascinating

information ~

I notice that in one of the above posts it was said that these deaths, including all the murders, plane accidents and suicides are not statistically out of the ordinary ~

I don't have any idea if they are or not, but the first time I heard about this was on another board about a year after 9/11. I think about 14 scientists had died within a very short period of time and that was what made it strange.

The post above says that 'five died in one month' ~ again, maybe that many people from other professions have died in one month ~ so it may or may not be that unusual.

I am still curious about the recent request by a Scientist organization for documents in the Valerie Plame affair though. That's what got me interested in this subject.

I can think of two scientific connections to the Valerie Plame affair, one being WMDs which she and her organization were supposedly tracking, and the other is Britain's Dr. Kelly who was working on WMDs in Iraq. Other than those two possible connections, the Valerie Plame affair doesn't seem to have much to do with science, and even considering those connections, they are not relevant to the case as far as I know. So why would a bunch of scientists have an interest in filling a FOIA to get documents from the case?

This is new information to me also. I never heard of the HHMI before ~

I have heard a lot about Dr. Wiley though ~ I think he and Dr. Kelly knew each other. I'll have to look that up again ~ but thanks for the information, I'll check out those links. I wonder if the press had paid attention to this, would it have saved any lives? Their ignoring he lies about the Iraq War has certainly cost lives ~

[mirandapriestly]

32. You always have such good research.

I need that smiley face that shakes and looks scared after reading that...