Cornered Cheney Confesses to Role in MIHOP Conspiracy

[BuyingThyme]

January 17, 2006

Last month, the New York Times falsely reported that the White House had initiated an NSA domestic surveillance program in 2002, in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

In consort with senior editors at the Times, President George W. Bush then declared that the war powers bestowed on him by Congress following the September 11 attacks effectively granted him power to conduct domestic intelligence activities as he saw fit, without oversight by the secret court which had been created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA).

But contrary to the latest contentions of the President and the Times, National Security Agency (NSA) documents show that George W. Bush actually ordered the circumvention of the secret FISA court before September 11, 2001. This order effectively implemented a wide-ranging eavesdropping program against American citizens long before any action was taken by Congress, long before the Patriot Act was publicly know to exist, and completely without any judicial or legislative oversight whatsoever.

On multiple occasions, Vice President Richard Cheney has insisted that the attacks, particularly the incident at the Pentagon, could have been thwarted had the executive been permitted circumvent FISA prior to September 11, 2001. Cheney was apparently not familiar with the implications of the NSA’s “Transition 2001” report which shows that the executive had taken the liberty to do exactly that.

Cheney has effectively admitted that the administration had every known, and unknown, opportunity to prevent the September 11 attacks, but he has not yet explained (1) why he lied about his pre-September 11 eavesdropping capabilities, (2) how he knew in advance that said capabilities would come in so handy, or (3) why he allowed and or enabled the attacks to occur.

Lies aside, Richard Cheney is the only known senior administration official to candidly discuss details of the government’s role in attacking the United States of America on September 11, 2001.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011306Z.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/04/AR2006010400973.html

[samhsarah]

1. Is it even possible to still have any doubts?

:eyes:

[helderheid]

14. NOPE!

[MsKandice01]

2. Where is this text coming from?

I'm not seeing it in either of the articles that you linked to.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. ? Google results

Your search - "Lies aside, Richard Cheney is the only known senior " - did not match any documents.

Your search - "documents show that George W. Bush actually ordered the circumvention " - did not match any documents.

Your search - "consort with senior editors at the Times" - did not match any documents.


:shrug:

[BuyingThyme]

11. Hi Ms. Kandice,

The text came out of my head this morning. I was listening to the radio and it just came out.

:tinfoilhat:

[NYC Liberal]

3. Can we have a source for the quoted text, please?

[BuyingThyme]

12. It's not quoted; I just like the dark background.

More fun with dark background.

:)

[Henny Penny]

24. I like it, it gives you a certain gravitas...

must try it myself sometime.

[BuyingThyme]

29. Yes, why should liars,

like the New York Times and the Washington Post, get all the Gravitas?

[BuyingThyme]

30. Gravitas:

[Henny Penny]

34. Yeah..... They are not worthy!

:toast:
:bounce: Gravitas :bounce:

[jsamuel]

4. hmmm... interesting way of looking at this story...

[Marr]

5. If they couldn't even be bothered to have a meeting with Richard Clark

pre-911, then who were they spying on? It obviously wasn't suspected terrorists.

[jasmeel]

10. That;s an EXCELLENT question. Who the fuck were they spying

on? We know they could give a shit about Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. Were they spying on Iraq? I hope someone gets those documents immediately so we can have some answers!

[SittingBull]

17. On Atta and Co

they want to know everything about these patsies, to work out 911 without complications.

[Canuckistanian]

41. That's right

It's hard to believe, but there once was a time when "terraists" were not mentioned 5 times a day.

[pberq]

6. The truth will set us free - let's keep stories like this alive

[RufusEarl]

7. It was an inside job!

[mom cat]

8. Good interpretation.

But please do a better job of documentation...This is too critical to leave any holes.

[BuyingThyme]

13. I'll dig up some more links.

:patriot:

[BuyingThyme]

15. Link: "Under a presidential order signed in 2002,

the intelligence agency has monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants over the past three years in an effort to track possible "dirty numbers" linked to Al Qaeda, the officials said."

--New York Times - 12/15/05:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?ex=1292389200&en=e32072d786623ac1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

[BuyingThyme]

16. Link: "President George W. Bush and senior administration officials

have met with top editors of The New York Times and The Washington Post in recent months to try to dissuade the papers from publishing what the administration considers to be articles harmful to its prosecution of the war on terror."

--Editor and Publisher - 12/26/05

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001737349

[BuyingThyme]

19. Link: "Secret spying captured some domestic calls:"

--Reuters / Yahoo - 12/21/05

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051221/ts_nm/security_eavesdropping_calls_dc_1

[BuyingThyme]

20. Link: "Bush Presses Editors on Security"

--Washington Post - 12/26/05

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/25/AR2005122500665.html?nav=rss_politics

[BuyingThyme]

21. Link: "Leak of NSA Spying is Probed"

--Baltimore Sun - 12/31/05:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/custom/attack/bal-te.leak31dec31,1,3808197.story?track=rss

[BuyingThyme]

22. Link: "The First Leaker in the NSA spy scandal has been identified"

--BuyingThyme - 01/01/06:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=30839

[mom cat]

23. Great...By the way, I love your screen name. When Bush said before the war

that he was running out of time, I thought about spreading some thyme seeds on the White House lawn! If I had not been recovering from an accident, I would have done it.

[BuyingThyme]

31. Thyme is about to expire.

I hope you're all good and recovered now.

:hug:

[mom cat]

32. Thyme heals all wounds and

wounds all heels!

[BuyingThyme]

25. Link: "Gore's Challenge to Congress and the Media "

"The discovery that the FBI conducted a long-running and extensive campaign of secret electronic surveillance designed to infiltrate the inner workings of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and to learn the most intimate details of Dr. King's life, helped to convince Congress to enact restrictions on wiretapping."

--The Nation / Al Gore - 01/17/06:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20060117/cm_thenation/150069_1

[BuyingThyme]

26. Link: "Civil-Rights Groups Suing Over Domestic Spying Program"

--MTV Music Television - 1/17/06:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1520829/20060117/index.jhtml?headlines=true&rsspartner=rssYahooNewscrawler

[BuyingThyme]

27. Link: "He said the existence of such a programme earlier

could have prevented the September 11 terror attacks."

--Aljazeera - 01/04/06:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0FFC279B-CDB1-478D-8BDD-53AC7FDFF288.htm

[BuyingThyme]

28. Link: Zogby poll: "Majority supports impeaching Bush for wiretapping"

--Zogby - 01/16/06:

http://zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12528

[BuyingThyme]

35. Link: 'We didn't know it,' he said.

'The 9/11 Commission talks about it. If we'd had this capability, then we might well have been able to stop it.'

--Forbes - 12/18/05:

http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/12/18/afx2400383.html

[JackRiddler]

18. k & r

Very nice point.

Before 9/11 the Bush mob arrogated to themselves the surveillance powers they still claimed they needed after 9/11, and which they claimed would have helped them prevent 9/11.

Too bad if they're getting hanged on their own words.

[jillan]

33. No wonder why this man is sick all of the time.

The lies and secrets are eating him up alive.

Scientists should do an experiment on Cheney, to show people
what happens to your system when you are evil.

[donkeyotay]

36. Oh what a tangled mat of a messed up web they've weaved

So, Cheney say's that if they'd been spying on us before 9-11, the attack could have been prevented.

Now it turns out that they were spying on us prior to 9-11, but it still didn't prevent the attack.

Wow. Sooner or later this shit could really catch up to them.

[goforit]

37. Well well well!!!!.....More Mihop revelations! Did OBL really exist?

Did OBL really attack the WTC?

Is OBL just a front for Cheney/Bush?

We shall see.

[Virginian]

42. OBL is safe as long as Bush is in the White House.

They had a chance, they had another chance and they did nothing. All the relatives flew out of here without being questioned by the FBI.

A friend who works the gate at Dulles Airport said that they were supposed to inspect the briefcases etc of these Saudis but one man said his briefcase was locked and he couldn't open it. The inspection of his carry on was waived by her superiors. She suspected it contained lots of money.

Terra, terra, terra is not real. Sure, we have enemies, but not like this Administration has promoted. I look at things that should be done to minimize any future attacks and see that they are not being done.
The renovations of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge are making it a more desirable target. Instead of building a 12 lane bridge on the major north/south route of the east coast, Rt. 95, a separate river crossing should have been built to bypass Washington commuter traffic and to minimize the impact of a disabled Woodrow Wilson Bridge.
The fuel tanks at Dulles Airport stand right beside a major road. It took four years to construct barriers to make them less visible from the Route 28. That task should have been done immediately if there really was a serious risk.
The federal government is outsourcing work to other countries. The federal government is hiring H-1b dependant companies to run its sensitive computer operations. They put all kinds of password protection on the front end, require the US employees to have security clearances, then allow the foreign workers access through the software back door.
The federal government has not enacted any regulations to protect our economy from foreign terrorists. Instead, they allow banks to have their processing done on foreign soil using foreign workers.

There are other examples, but I can't think of them right now.

[lovuian]

38. NSA was Bush & Cheney's private police...

Tapping into telephones of everybody of significance...

[stickdog]

39. Funny how even a logical interpretation of a current news story

somehow ends up down here simply because it makes reference to 9/11.

[BuyingThyme]

40. What is the purpose?

Do they do that to create a relevant archive? Who does it?

[BuyingThyme]

43. kcik