Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed on BookTV - July 31, Aug.1

[reprehensor]

The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism

Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed outlines the relationship between the West and radical Muslim groups like the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) in Algeria, and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in Serbia.

Mr. Ahmed says that these groups, parts of which are now affiliated with Al Qaeda, were used by the United States and Britain to further Western political and economic goals. He argues that a more complete investigation of this relationship is necessary to understand what happened on 9/11. Mr. Ahmed also talks about the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1996 British attempt to assassinate Libya's Muammar Gaddafi in this light. This talk, held at American University in Washington, DC, was organized by the DC Emergency Truth Convergence (www.truthemergency.us). Includes Q&A.

[Carolab]

1. I watched this.

This was an excellent discussion. The Q&A was great.

[Moochy]

6. Was great !

Agreed! his handling of the MIHOP vs LIHOP vs. Coincidence theorists was the most productive and cogent thing I've ever seen anyone say about the subject.
Just that, we all should demand a real uncompromised investigation, not that we all have pretedermined the outcome of said investigation.

[petgoat]

7. his handling of the MIHOP vs LIHOP vs. Coincidence

Yup. Stick to facts. He said he had opinions, but why should he go
around spouting opinions?

Dr. Griffin has the same approach--he simply points out holes in the
official story and calls for a new investigation.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. I watched it a little while ago, and it is A MUST SEE for all! n/t

[reprehensor]

3. Ahmed MP3

Nafeez Ahmed on CSPAN - MP3 Download (download at link)

[graphixtech]

4. short video clip of Nafeez's rally speech

There is a three minute segment of Nafeez's
Lafayette Park Emergency Truth Convergence
rally speech. It is very invigorating.

(top of the page link)
http://truthemergency.us/

Photo album from the weekend Emergency Truth Convergence events:
http://truthemergency.us/PhotoAlbum/EmergencyTruthConvergence%20version%201/index.html

[petgoat]

5. John Judge had some interesting comments too

He said that in the USA "we are allowed to believe anything but to know
nothing."

He said the 9/11 Commission report was footnoted to secret documents and
that when you fight for the truth you are in "a democratic fight for
your own history."

He also referred to something that sounded like "Strategy of Intention".
Does anyone know what this is about?

[demodewd]

8. Judge and the Pentagon

John Judge has a lot to say except that he is all wet about the Pentagon crash.

[philb]

9. So why don't you educate him

do you agree with
http://www.flcv.com/offcom77.html

[spooked911]

13. so you don't believe Judge has a flight attendant friend who was supposed

to be on flight 11 on 9/11 but had to stay home to take care of her sick mom, and she actually toured the Pentagon crash site 10 days after 9/11 and she could see AA 757 debris and even human remains and by the way she is also a Kennedy assassination conspiracy researcher so she can be trusted.

What you don't BELIEVE that? ;)

[petgoat]

14. Is there an objective reason to doubt Judge's credibility?

Outside of your doubts about his flight attendant story?

The issue is important to me because he appears to be the sole source
of the notion that there were SAMs at the Pentagon that should have
shot down anything attacking.

I would very much like to believe that because then we can quit worrying
about whether a 757 or a missile hit the Pentagon, because the
stand-down shows complicity right there.

[spooked911]

16. I really don't know much about Judge except that

he seems to be one of the class of 9/11 skeptics with extreme distaste for anyone who doubts that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. According to him, it's people like me who give a bad name to 9/11 skepticism.

Nonetheless I find his flight attendant story very fishy and this makes me wonder about his credibility.

Fwiw, I doubt that there are/were SAMs at the Pentagon that could have been used to shoot down a commercial airliner. For one, the Pentagon is so close to Reagan National Airport, it seems like it would be too risky to have something that could be easily used to shoot down aircraft coming near the Pentagon.

The more important issue is why on earth wasn't the hijacking detected earlier and why weren't interceptors brought out to meet it, being WashingtonDC and all, you'd think they would try to protect the airspace better.

But if there WAS no hijacked plane approaching WashDC (it was a missile or bombs were used), that changes everything considerably.

[demodewd]

19. ten days??

Was it really ten days after the crash?

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

11. "Strategy of Tension"

[philb]

10. He wrote a book or big article on 9/11 which I think is at this URL

http://www.flcv.com/ahmed.html

He is Director or Chief Analyst for a Think Tank

[philb]

18. Ahmed on Osama bin Laden

Ahmed on Osama bin Laden
http://www.visiontv.ca/Programs/Prog_Archives/GreatDeception/Archive3.html

The Bush-led war party of vulcans drive the war on terror. These born-again nationalists have an agenda that was announced several years ago. They formed the Project for a New American Century. Read their key document "Rebuilding America's Defenses." It is a blueprint for America as Sparta and a formula for permanent war. It says what was required to achieve US global domination was "some catastrophic and catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor." Well, they got it. September 11. The attack on Iraq was launched on false pretenses. Evidence was manufactured. Fear was generated. The media saluted and went along. War was what the hawks wanted and war is what they got. In the background is an imperial grand scheme to remake the map of the Middle East and control its oil.

[spooked911]

12. I saw his talk in Lafayette Square on July 23rd. He's good.

It is very solid non-tinfoily stuff that everyone should know, but unfortunately the government/mainstream-media think it is too dangerous for us to know.

[petgoat]

15. Nafeez Ahmed Talk Summary

1. Al Qaeda was involved in the Bosnia conflict with Pentagon
support, A Dutch Intelligence report on the Srebrenica massacre
confirms the US/UK/al Qaeda connections. In Kosovo the KLA was also
AQ-connected. Bosnia is today a safe haven for terrorists, and the
KLA is involved in the heroin trade.

2. The FBI had informants in the AQ cell that did the 1993 WTC
bombing. The FBI was involved in constructing the bomb. After the
Blind Sheikh assassinated a rabbi, an FBI investigator told the
Village Voice that the Sheikh seemed to be under the protection of the
INS and State Department.

3. The GIA (that's Gee Eye Aeh) in Algeria has AQ connections, and
got the blame for a Paris bombing in 1995 that was used to justify
repression in Algeria. There is evidence that the bomb was planted by
the Algerian military.

4. In the Philippines a legislator has accused Military Intelligence
of coddling AQ-connected terrorists (Ahmed Saeed? Nafeez said
something like "Abu Sayav"). Project Bojinka anticipated crashing
aircraft into targets like Sears Tower, the Pentagon, and the WTC.

5. David Shayler, formerly of M15, says the UK paid 100,000 british
pounds to AQ to assasinate Quaddafi. The book "Forbidden Truth"
says Anas al Liby, who was connected to the embassy bombings and had
millions in bounties on his head, lived in Manchester, England, until
2000.

6. Some alleged hijackers reportedly had security clearances to train
at military bases. Atta's and Alghamdi's (which one?) names appear
in military records. The official line is that the biographical data
does not match, but inquiries yield evasive answers. Senator Bill
Nelson asked the FBI to investigate and they could not resolve the
issue. The 9/11 Commission ignored it.

7. 9/11 was not an intelligence failure but a political failure.
The German newpaper Frankfurter Algemeine said that Echelon picked up
info 3 months before and 6 months before 9/11 shoing the middle
eastern terrorists planned to hijack civiilan aircraft and hurl them
against targets symbolic of US and Israeli culture. The USA took this
threat seriously and increased surveillance. David Schippers
transmitted warnings of FBI agents of atacks in Manhattan, warnings
which named Mohammed Atta. He couldn't get his calls returned.

8. Senator Orin Hatch reported on 9/11 that the NSA had picked up AQ
messages celebrating the success of the attack. This shows the
electronic surveillanve network could work swiftly when it wanted to.
Nafeez quotes Jane's Intelligence Digest to the effect that Russia
provided plenty of information on the upcoming attacks, but Bush
lacked the political will to push the military.

Bottom line: we need a new investigation.

Points from the Q/A:

The perceived threat from our cold war enemies has been transferred to
the terrorists. The "non-stateterror network" is a myth. AQ is
sponsored by the Saudis, ISI, Algeria, and the Philippines.

The UK, having its secret security elements, and the USA having
its executive branch operating unacountably, have characteristics of
"failed states".

Qaddafi's cooperative attitude stems from his fear after the
assasination plot. Exxon Mobil has interests in Algeria--access to
resources underlies our policy.

Mr. Ahmed is not interested in discussing LIHOP and MIHOP theories.
He has personal opinions, but he prefers to discuss facts. The fact
is, the government failed and we need a new investigation into why it
failed and those who failed should be held accountable. "Why deal
with conflicting theory when you can deal with facts?"

The doctrine of pre-emptive war can be characterized as "we can hit
'em if we think they're thinking about hitting us."

That oil production will peak in the next five years is a virtual
consensus in the oil industry.

[spooked911]

17. Thanks!

:toast: