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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:08 AM
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Does anyone have any links or information to the alleged crash in Kentucky
on 9-11. I was reading the post "The 571-Page Lie" and found this:

75. The failure to mention that the report that a large jet had crashed in
Kentucky, at about the time Flight 77 disappeared from FAA radar, was
taken seriously enough by the heads of the FAA and the FBI’s
counterterrorism unit to be relayed to the White House (190).


I don't remember where, but I have read about this supposed crash once before. I was wondering if any independent researchers have found anything out about this report.

Thanks in advance.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:18 AM
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1. Radar
Check out:
"Flight 77 - Did it reappear to the West?" at:
http://www.the-movement.com/Radar/Radar.htm
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 11:10 PM
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4. That information is full of obvious misinformation. Doesn't clear up anyth
anything. Apparently it was planted to spread disinformation.

F-15s travel at 30 miles per minute. There was plenty of time to scramble jets from Andrews or bring planes from Otis or Langley. They get in the air in 2 minutes. And Flight 77 was being monitored most of its flight and discussed by FAA, Pentagon, and other relevant parties.

The pentagon is known to have the most advanced radar in the world and is the best protected building in the world. Has its own missile battery and protected by squadron at Andrews AFB with jets 5 minutes away.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testimony to the 9/11 Commission
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --
MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --
MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 11:13 PM
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5. So what do you think the Vice President's orders were?
Why didn't the plane get shot down?
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:27 AM
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7. I keep reading this stuff here.
What advanced radar does the Pentagon use and where is it located?

What "missile battery" does it have and where is it located?

The pentagon is known to have the most advanced radar in the world and is the best protected building in the world. Has its own missile battery and protected by squadron at Andrews AFB with jets 5 minutes away.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:04 PM
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10. Check the military and Pentagon web site & Griffin's book- page 36
Edited on Tue May-24-05 11:10 PM by philb
Some of the capabilities of the radar to monitor multiple missiles and planes throught the region are discussed.

also 5 anti-missile batteries, one for each of the sides.

also see Meyssan's book
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:35 PM
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11. The advanced Pentagon radar system is caused Pave Paws;
Its described in Griffin's book(Chap 14, etc.) and can be found on the web also.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:47 PM
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12. Nonsense!
the east coast Pave Paws is a huge radar located on Cape Code that points away from DC and was design to detect incoming ballistic missiles.

http://www.pavepaws.org/CapeCod/Library/draft%20Cape%20Cod%20Fact%20Sheet_brc3.pdf

Someone needs to introduce Mr Griffin to Google.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:50 PM
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14. More nonsense!
Edited on Wed May-25-05 08:50 PM by hack89
Here are some satellite images of the Pentagon - lets play find the missile batteries!

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/default.htm
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:03 PM
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2. I think the only mention of it in print was in Richard Clarke's book
and I guess it was mentioned on TV brielfy on the morning of 9/11. I don't think the story made it to any newspaper. Either it was covered up or it was a false report.

You can imagine my take on it. :)
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:44 PM
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3. It was reported by FAA and discussed at the Pentagon
I think it is discussed in Dr. Griffin's 2nd book with a reference.
I know I've seen info on it.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:06 AM
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6. It was reported on television on the day...
I saw it on CNN, so did others I've spoken to. They referred to reports of a plane crash on the Ohio/Kentucky border.

This is explained away in the 9/11 Com report as resulting from AA 77 going off radar in this area for eight minutes before its reapparance (unnoticed by ATCs, supposedly) over West Virginia heading east.

Unfortunately I don't know of a direct link to zapped footage or I'd provide it.
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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:55 PM
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8. The Rumor That Flight 77 Crashed (from Griffin's book)
From page 190 in Griffin's "Omissions and Distortions"...

The Rumor That Flight 77 Crashed

The Commission does, however, offer an explanation of the origin of the rumor that Flight 77 had crashed in Ohio or Kentucky--a rumor that, of course, has given support to those who believe that some aircraft other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. The Commission, perhaps hoping to put this rumor to rest, says that FAA officials in Indianapolis quickly decided that they were wrong. By 9:20, we are told, Indianapolis "learned that there were other hijacked aircraft, and began to doubt its initial assumption that American 77 had crashed" (24). The Commission does not mention that at the time, the rumor lasted long enough and had sufficient evidence for FAA head Jane Garvey to notify the White House about the crash, and for Dale Watson, the FBI's counterterrorism chief, to mention "a report of a large jet crashed in Kentucky, near the Ohio line, "during Richard Clarke's teleconference (at least according to Clarke).3

3 USAToday; August 13, 2002. Clarke, Against All Enemies,13


Emphasis Added
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:43 PM
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9. Iris Chang had a nervous
breakdown when she was doing research for one of her books - in KY. Then killed herself once she got home. Just a weird coincidence but...
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 08:48 PM
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13. Some suggest that the actions where Fl 77 was temp. lost were part of take
takedown, as is the Physics911 Operation Pearl.
Which I still haven't seen a discussion of here.

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