Why this forum is ridiculous.

[Bonobo]

That the US Government under Bush was capable of the kind of black flag op that "CT'ers" claim is obvious and I doubt many here would argue it, even the "Truthers".
That Bush and Cheney were willing to go to extreme lengths to subvert US foreign policy to suit their narrow agendas is similarly obvious at this point.
Many other examples of nefarious behavior on the part of the CIA or other intelligence agencies, either planned or actually carried out could be cited easily.

So whether or not 9/11 was an inside, outside or upside-down job, the fact of the matter is, they were capable of it and, more importantly, THEY USED 9/11 TO CARRY OUT THEIR PRE-PLANNED AGENDA. This is the scariest part, not the actual fact of who did it.

We are like fools here arguing about who started a fire when the whole place is burning down. We are all tools that are being manipulated.

Truthers: Do you think it's okay that are defenses are so weak and so compromised that something like 9/11 could happen? No air defense with all the money in taxes we pay?

CT'ers: Do you really not see that the "dark forces" that were behind 9/11 had already figured us into their plans? Planting crazy ass conspiracy disinformation sites like the "no plane" crap or whatever?

We are all being manipulated and led by the nose to distract us from the fact that they did it, it's done and they have already stole the cookie jar, eaten the cookies and buried the evidence.

[achtung_circus]

1. Yet

here you are.

Me? I'm here for the entertainment CTers provide.

[Bonobo]

2. You and many others I think.

Very few people here on this forum are open to any new ideas. It must be for either entertainment of ego-inflation.

[Ghost in the Machine]

3. I'm only here for the pancakes and waffles...

:hi:

[Bonobo]

4. You mean Pancaking and Waffling?

[Ghost in the Machine]

34. Yes, something like that... :-) n/t

[jberryhill]

28. Do you use anything other than maple syrup?

I'm pretty much a maple syrup and butter guy, but I know some people put all sorts of things on them.

[Ghost in the Machine]

35. Not usually...

.. but sometimes I like some strawberries & whipped cream... mmmmmMMMM!

:hi:

[jberryhill]

36. Is it just me....

...or did strawberries get really, really big, but kind of bitter, over the last 30 years or so?

[Ghost in the Machine]

37. No, I've noticed that too...

That's why I buy the sliced strawberries packed in sugary syrup :drool:

[jberryhill]

39. There it is...

I knew that some other kind of syrup was going to come into the picture.

WTF happened to strawberries, though? I'd buy into an evil domestic plot on that one!

[Ghost in the Machine]

42. I think it's a conspiracy between sugar plantation owners & strawberry farmers

They've made hybrid strawberries that were crossed with bitter root (or something) so we'd have to buy more sugar. :evilgrin:

[achtung_circus]

5. Hey, if you post some facts

or something resembling an idea then I'm all ears.

Haven't seen much yet.

If you've got some, then fill yer boots.

[Bonobo]

6. I think I stated the point of my OP clearly.

For the purpose of the OP, I am advancing the idea that it doesn't matter. That we are being manipulated in such a way that we ignore the more pertinent issues surrounding 9/11, namely that the event was used to justify a larger agenda.

[Kalun D]

62. However

Establishing that 911 is an inside job is primary since the OCT makes the wars/agenda justified.

the 911 inside job is the cornerstone of the whole house of cards, knock that one down and the empire crumbles. THAT'S why they fight so hard to suppress it.

[zappaman]

63. suppress what?

what have the troofers proved?
anything?
nope.

[greyl]

64. The so-called OCT does NOT make the wars and agenda justified.

I can't believe I heard someone at DU say such a stupid thing.

[Kalun D]

65. It's the Primary

Excuse, of the MIMC

[hack89]

7. Do you really think something meaningful is happening here?

When I want to effect meaningful change on the world, I step away from the keyboard and engage with the real world.

[ablewon]

56. No doubt, a scary thought to many people

"When I want to effect meaningful change on the world, I step away from the keyboard and engage with the real world."

Please remain seated with your chair in an upright position.

[MrMickeysMom]

57. That's when he's not busy being "meaningful"

:rofl:

[SidDithers]

8. +1...

The lulz rarely stop. Tho, it's been a bit more sedate 'round here in the last month or so.

Sid

[achtung_circus]

14. SLAD nt

[Marksbrother]

24. At the same time

You've got to admit that those wacky Righteous True Believers provide some mighty fine entertainment. Make you stand UP and
say "HOWDY".

[noise]

9. I've paid close attention the past few years

There is a big difference between an overreaction due to incompetence/inattention and a premeditated effort to jumpstart an agenda. Would the overreaction be justified if 9/11 happened just as we are told? No. So I agree with you there. In fact the so called overreaction is contradictory as the two countries with the closest ties to al Qaeda--Saudi Arabia and Pakistan--were considered allies in the WoT by the Bush administration. The Bush crowd also invaded Iraq despite the lack of ties to al Qaeda.

How successful have the "rational non conspiracy activists" been in ending the wars, holding government officials accountable for all sorts of crimes and reestablishing the rule of law? The point being that they are up against the same forces of resistance (i.e. corporate interests) as those who question 9/11. The difference is that 9/11 skepticism makes people uncomfortable so they tend to apply a different standard to 9/11 skeptics. We are told to "prove our case" which is laughable considering the overwhelming secrecy involved in all aspects of 9/11. One doesn't even need to read "conspiracy books" to have doubts about 9/11. Shenon, Mayer, Suskind, Bamford and Wright all bring up issues that have never been properly addressed by any government official.

[BeFree]

10. Not so fast

There will come a day when 'they' are well known for everything they have done. They've only been out of office for a few months but the smell that surrounded them lingers in DC. And they are still deadly.

There will be no rushing of the castle walls, instead it will come about by the sounds of millions of feet marching around the walls until the walls crumble.

The walls are already showing signs of fatigue.

This is not like JFK or anything that ever happened before. This medium that we are using to gather our forces and refine the evidence is unbeatable over the long term.

When I get to talking to someone on the street about 9/11 they are impressed with the new facts they hear from me. How did I get at those facts? Mainly through this forum.

We have been very successful, it's just that our enemy is the largest bunch of criminals the world has ever known. It will take some time before we finally overcome, but we will.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. Shorter BeFree: "Have I got a frame to sell you!" n/t

[BeFree]

12. heh

Yep. Got you pretty well framed up. You are my biggest frame fan. Thanks for your support.

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[BeFree]

17. That's better

Don't let them get under your skin. Just remember what you wrote in starting this thread and act accordingly to those who are so situated.

[BeFree]

25. Meaning

It is ridiculous that we are rounded up just to be attacked and harassed by figures that don't want to hear what we have to say about this issue.

Meaning the level of discussion is drug into the mud as witnessed by the numerous deleted posts herein.

[achtung_circus]

29. Rounded up?

Silly me, I thought we were here voluntarily. Although the OCT paycheck helps.

[BeFree]

32. We?

You are not one of us.

[achtung_circus]

33. All of us, Nimrod...

those who choose to visit this forum.

[William Seger]

18. "There will come a day..."

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page6916915.php

Over the next few days these events will occur:

• NASA will finally admit that it has 'some evidence' that aliens might be monitoring earth and that it is seriously researching UFO events.
  
  
• There will be an admittance by another government agency or relevant organization that there is reason to believe that some signals that have been picked up by radio telescope are probably of alien origin
  
  
• The government of a major European nation will outright admit having knowledge of UFOs visiting our planet.
  

I can hardly contain my anticipation.

[Subdivisions]

19. Unadulterated rudeness. What the hell is wrong with you? n/t

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[Marksbrother]

21. Maybe someone slipped some

bad acid into his coffee years ago and it's all been a long, strange hallucination ever since.

[achtung_circus]

22. ..

[Marksbrother]

23. Exactamento.

How'd you come up with that? You must have been reading my mind.

[William Seger]

26. What's rude about it?

There are far, far more people in the world who are interested in UFOs and who believe that the governments are covering up UFO information than there are -- or likely ever will be -- "9/11 truthers." My point was that daydreaming of vindication is common.

[Bolo Boffin]

27. It's rude, William, to remind people of their words when the words are so silly.

In fact, it is ridiculous to do so. It's not the silly positions of anyone here that the OP sees as ridiculous, oh, no. It's that these silly views are allowed to be challenged by facts, evidence, and logical arguments. How ridiculous!

[Ghost in the Machine]

38. You mean words like "Indian Lake was not 6 miles away. It was yards away from the crash site"?

Yeah, you hate being reminded of that, huh?

Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Mon May-12-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Indian Lake was not 6 miles away. It was yards away from the crash site.
When you plug Indian Lake into something like mapsearch from the crash site, you get 6 miles because it's six miles around Indian Lake to the village of Indian Lake.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=204435#204441

Oh, what about *these* words? :

Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-07-07 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. I didn't try the longer title because I didn't think it would fit.
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 07:55 PM by boloboffin
Now that I see that it will (although you didn't include the Single Point of Failure: part, it does still fit the title window), I'm happy to retract that statement. It teaches me to actually try something like that. I do have the habit of overstating things sometimes, and when people catch me in it, I quickly correct.

Nobody here (least of all me) thinks I'm perfect in every way. But I'll tell you what - do a search of my posts, and while you will find only a few corrections there, you will find them. I say the truth as much as possible, and when I'm wrong, I admit it. That is a damned sight better than many, many CT advocates around here.

I'd like to see you try to haunt me with this silly little mistake. It says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=182119#182395

Ooops, I guess you finally gave me a chance to haunt you with it, didn't you? The only thing it says about me is that I remember who I've busted for passing off bullshit and disinformation here...

[MrMickeysMom]

58. !

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[wildbilln864]

66. you mean like...

the towers collapses were like sledge hammers hitting Steuben glass? :eyes:

[jberryhill]

40. Not to mention what's unadulterated about it...

I believe you've been accused of unadultery.

[William Seger]

41. Yeah, well, that part's true (n/t)

[jschurchin]

30. Bravo Bonobo

Excellent post.

[Mist]

31. I'd say one is "led by the nose" precisely as much as one is willing to

be led by the nose. In other words, don't get caught in the mud wrestling and silliness.

I find this a useful forum for being directed to new articles, films, and interviews re: 911.

I just ignore the circular arguments, and many of the posters in this forum (who, oddly, seldom seem to post in any other forum at DU...)

[defendandprotect]

43. Right . . . substitute the Russians for "19 Saudi hijackers" and it becomes even more ridiculous--!!

[defendandprotect]

44. 1st, 2nd, 4th paragraphs good .. .

especially this . . .

Truthers: Do you think it's okay that are defenses are so weak and so compromised that something like 9/11 could happen? No air defense with all the money in taxes we pay?

Luckily, North Korea didn't decide to nuke us on 9/11 -- chance of a lifetime!!


Re these comments . . .

We are like fools here arguing about who started a fire when the whole place is burning down. We are all tools that are being manipulated.

CT'ers: Do you really not see that the "dark forces" that were behind 9/11 had already figured us into their plans? Planting crazy ass conspiracy disinformation sites like the "no plane" crap or whatever?

We are all being manipulated and led by the nose to distract us from the fact that they did it, it's done and they have already stole the cookie jar, eaten the cookies and buried the evidence.

Many of us aren't arguing . . . we're in agreement.
It's important to have this information passed around and have as many as possible
understand it.

Like the 50 years of political violence and assassinations America has suffered, in most cases
the likely scenarios and players are known but no one has the power to overturn the coverups.

Meanwhile, IMO, there is more evidence for "no planes" than for planes.

[Make7]

45. kick

[deconstruct911]

46. Solutions???

Read the plan.

Plan A) Realize you are being duped, find a terrific solution such as tax evasion. If Plan A fails resort to Plan B.

Plan B) There is no Plan B. The reason you have come to Plan B is because it’s also 100% illegal to evade taxes and now you are screwed because you broke the law. Congratulations and tell me when you find that NWO solution we are supposed to participate in.

I prefer to piece together the puzzle by asking questions that so far have been innocent enough.

[SDuderstadt]

47. Actually; you "prefer" to construct...

totally incoherent posts. No wonder no one can decipher what the fuck you're yammering about.

Does anyone have a deconstruct911-to-English dictionary handy?

[deconstruct911]

48. There is no deconstruct911-to-English dictionary handy

I wouldn't want to profit from 9 11.

[SDuderstadt]

50. Tell me something, dude

Is it my imagination, or does every stinging criticism we aim your way go totally over your head? Does any of this register in that incoherent mind of yours?

Maybe you should find a slower-paced forum and practice there for a while.

[deconstruct911]

51. Please read

"If you think someone is deliberately trying to be disruptive or engaging in personal attacks, then you are to use the alert system"

Lithos
9-11 Forum Moderator
Democratic Underground

[SDuderstadt]

53. Dude..

you do, of course, realize that the rules do not prohibit members from criticizing each other, right?

Your posts are, more often than not, totally incoherent and you, along with Spooked, have set the ironically named "truth movement" back much further than you can possibly imagine with your goofy bullshit, dude. You realize that, right?

[deconstruct911]

54. No

I don't realize that.While you just finished explaining how incoherent I am, it leaves me in total shock, as you are accusing two DU users for setting back 10's of millions of people.

[SDuderstadt]

55. Apparently, your reading comprehension sucks worse....

than your lack of writing clarity.

Nice strawman, dude.

[jberryhill]

49. Congratulations, Bonobo

...and that ridiculousness is precisely why this forum exists, because there are those who would swamp the rest of DU with it, like Vikings ordering breakfast.

[spooked911]

52. well, yes-- and far too many here think it is just a big joke

Initially, this forum was useful for spreading info on the 9/11 conspiracy, but now it is useless in that regard and the OCTists dominate everything with their sarcasm and skepticism.

But now this place is okay as a general conspiracy forum, IMO, which is useful. People still need to learn about the larger conspiracies.

[zappaman]

59. "this forum was useful for spreading info on the 9/11 conspiracy"

of course now you have just been spreading the same shit over and over and over and over which is why it has become a joke.
spooked, are you any closer to cracking the case?

[SDuderstadt]

60. "the OCTists dominate everything with their sarcasm and skepticism"

our "sarcasm and skepticism" is generated by your absolute lack of proof for your goofy bullshit, dude.

[BootinUp]

61. Kooky kooky lend me your comb. nt