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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:32 PM
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Pull Building 6
WTC 7 - Pull means pull with cables

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxlrcQL5Dk


Yes, that worker certainly does say they’re getting ready to “pull” building six. Then we have a quote from Luis Mendes, from the NYC Department of Design and Construction:

“We had to be very careful about how we demolished building 6. We were worried about building 6 coming down and damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.”

Interesting. They needed to be sure that building 6 came down in a “controlled” way. But wait a second: the video clip that Alex Jones presents – the clip that’s shown on all the conspiracist websites –ends abruptly at this point. Huh? Where’s the money shot? Why’d they cut it there?

Here’s why:

Because the following scene shows how building 6 was “pulled”: with cables attached to the hydraulic arms of four excavators, not with explosive charges.


“We’ve got the cables attached in four different locations going up. Now they’re pulling the building to the north. It’s not every day you try to pull down a eight story building with cables.”

Narrator Kevin Spacey: “The use of explosives to demolish World Trade Centers 4, 5 and 6 was rejected for fear workers would risk their lives entering buildings to set the charges.”


Why do they pull that part of the documentary out of the conspiracy story? This is yet another example of outright deception by the so called "truth" movement and its leaders like Alex Jones. They draw their stories around the truth like a child drawing around their hand.

However, was the fire more severe than conspiracy theorists let on and was Silverstein's quote taken out of context? The two are related and are explored below.



The above photo is very different than the photos you usually see on conspiracy sites.

Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Banaciski_Richard.txt

Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was , at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Nigro_Daniel.txt

plenty more :)
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:38 PM
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1. Come on now
we all know "pull it" refers to "pulling the button"...er "pulling the plunger"...ahhhh, the sucking "pull" exibited by imploding explosives...ahhem.

One of those...yup. :evilgrin:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:46 PM
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2. I was hoping somebody could debunk this for me
:rofl:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:57 PM
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3. no, no...
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 02:00 PM by wildbilln864
"pull it" means pull all the firefighters out as the OCT'ers have been saying.
So now you're trying to say "pull it" means to demolish the building!? To bring it down? :crazy:
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 02:05 PM
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4. Of course!
everyone knows you PULL the button, or the plunger in demolition speak! :eyes:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 02:19 PM
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5. you read everyones mind!?
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 02:20 PM by wildbilln864
WOW! You're psychic.
But doesn't the article imply that "pull it" means to demolish the building? With cables after first considering explosives.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 05:18 PM
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6. wildbill?
That image of (is it #7?) looks photoshopped to me. Notice the shadows to the left that don't accurately show the ripped apart side - the shadow line is way too straight. And the angle of the shadow at top - the roof shadow is not the same angle as the shadow on the right hand bldgs.

Am I just seeing things is does it look photoshopped to you?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 05:22 PM
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7. Yes it does!
I think so but maybe the poster will make available the source. Good eye BeFree. :hi:
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:15 PM
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13. "Good eye" ?!?
:rofl:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:33 PM
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18. Bad eyes, here.
All my fault.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:12 PM
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22. That's OK
I was just poking a little fun at wildbill's compulsive cheerleading.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:08 PM
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9. The photo is from FEMA...
so it's obviously been photoshopped. After all, FEMA is just a wholly-owned subsidiary of BUSHCO, right?



Found on pg 17 of Chapter 5, here: http://www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/wtcstudy.shtm

Sid

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:29 PM
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15. Thanks sid
You are correct. Once I saw a good sized good quality picture, what I thought I saw, I didn't see.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:58 PM
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10. Holy Shit!
That picture has been around since 2001 (obviously) and endlessly discussed on this very forum. Are you saying this is the first time you have seen it?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:31 PM
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16. Yep
First time. I never really paid much attention to #7. The time I spent here in 2002 was on dial-up and pics that came along well after the event were few and far between. Most of the vids I saw were on discs.

My bad about the call on the photoshop. See, the eyes can trick.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:14 PM
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12. WTF?
Which building do you think is casting that shadow, BeFree?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:32 PM
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17. I screwed up
Without a doubt. Once I went to a much better pic, I saw what I didn't see the first time.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:28 PM
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14. My bad
Thanks to the other picture my seeing something has proven that my eyes were tricking me. I see there are several other replies to my post... time to eat a little crow, eh?

See, people can see something for the first time and not see the truth. It always takes some time to reflect on what you've seen and get better views before running off somewhere. Eyewitness acoounts are not always what they seem to be.

Like I say, time to eat some crow. Sorry to have dragged you into this wildbill.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:35 PM
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19. I am pleasantly surprised.
I am glad to see you can admit when you are wrong.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:44 PM
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20. Thanks
Not all that embarrassed, stuff happens, and will kindly take the slings due to come my way.

You may have noticed I haven't been here in some time. Years ago I spent a lot of time here. Too much. Am learning the ropes again as the ropes here do make up quite the web, eh?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 08:03 PM
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21. I think we all need to take a break sometimes.
It seems to help one's perspective of the overall picture.

No slings intended, either - none of us is perfect and it would be hypocritical for us to criticize another for making a mistake any of us could have made.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:35 AM
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23. Don't feel bad about wildbill
dragging is the only way to get anything out of him.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:00 PM
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27. Now feel free to tell us how to get anything *intelligent* out of *you*....
Thanks,

Ghost

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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:44 AM
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28. Glad to see you sticking up for wbill
He definately needs the support.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:00 PM
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11. Pull my finger
I get it. So Silverstine was directing the Firechief to have his men pull down the building with cables. It all makes sense now.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 05:23 PM
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8. please give us a link to the original photo source. nt
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:45 AM
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24. See Post 9
nt
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 02:02 PM
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26. saw it, thanky! nt
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:21 AM
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25. Good suggestion, wildbill
And is what I should have done: asked for the original photo source so that I could look closer. Good question you asked, and I knew you'd know which step to take next, that's why I asked you. Sid gave us the link, I looked at it and, well, it's history. My bad.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:42 PM
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29. kick! nt
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