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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 03:05 PM
Original message
CNN on 9/11 phone calls -ridiculous lies
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/06/04/911.calls/index.html

CNN learned that calls from just two people -- flight attendants Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney, both on American Airlines Flight 11 -- were played during the three-hour briefing.

Other calls were summarized verbally by Justice Department prosecutors, and nearly an hour was devoted to questions from relatives and responses from prosecutors.


That's really breathtaking.

Sweeney's call never was recorded - the AA manager, Michael Woodward, just took notes during the talk.

From Ong's call, just the first four minutes were recorded.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200207/19/eng20020719_99980.shtml

So this whole event was pure propaganda. Why do they do that, and why is CNN reporting this crap?

And anyway - does CNN know which plane the flight attendants were calling from? Plane-26 or Plane-32?

http://www.globalfreepress.com/article.pl?sid=04/03/14/212247

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 03:59 PM
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1. The BTS database says:
That a number of planes took off from Logan on September 11, 2001.
Here is a list of the Flights that ACTUALLY RECORDED WHEELS OFF TIMES.

Detailed Statistics > Departure Statistics
Departure Statistic(s): Wheels-off Time
Airport(s): BOS
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001

Airport: Boston, MA - Logan International (BOS)
Carrier Code Date (MM/DD/YYYY) Flight Number Tail Number Destination Airport Wheels-off Time

AA 09/11/2001 0153 N232AA ORD 8:41
AA 09/11/2001 0189 N3BMAA SEA 8:56
AA 09/11/2001 0269 N636AA SJC 8:09
AA 09/11/2001 0461 N255AA DFW 6:50
AA 09/11/2001 0645 N3BLAA JFK 6:20
AA 09/11/2001 1019 N078AA SJU 7:14
AA 09/11/2001 1135 N2CFAA ORD 7:19
AA 09/11/2001 1547 N321AA MCO 7:39
AA 09/11/2001 1555 N3BBAA ORD 6:03
AA 09/11/2001 1663 N521AA DFW 7:18
AA 09/11/2001 1711 N061AA MIA 6:18
AA 09/11/2001 1757 N3CLAA ORD 7:48
AA 09/11/2001 1811 N2CBAA DCA 6:47
AA 09/11/2001 1857 N630AA DFW 8:30
AA 09/11/2001 1971 N5EPAA SJU 8:34
AA 09/11/2001 1983 N3BRAA FLL 6:43
**** **** **** ****
UA 09/11/2001 0163 N526UA SFO 7:20
****UA 09/11/2001 0175 N612UA LAX 8:23 ****
UA 09/11/2001 0211 N463UA IAD 7:51
UA 09/11/2001 0503 N314UA ORD 6:11
UA 09/11/2001 0505 N431UA DEN 8:10
UA 09/11/2001 0507 N564UA ORD 7:43
UA 09/11/2001 0583 N433UA DEN 6:10
UA 09/11/2001 0895 N461UA ORD 8:40
UA 09/11/2001 1439 N356UA ORD 6:40
UA 09/11/2001 1877 N556UA IAD 6:52

Awfully sorry woody b,
it really doesn't look like ANY such plane
ever took off from Logan in the first place.
Oh, and more thing,
EACH AND EVERY N-NUMBER ON THE AMERICAN AIRLINES LIST
THAT HAS MORE THAN TWO LETTERS IS BOGUS.

Valid N-Number Instructions:
N-Numbers consist of a series of alphanumeric characters. U.S. registration numbers may not exceed five (5) characters in addition to the standard U.S. registration prefix letter "N". These characters may be one (1) to five (5) numbers (e.g., N12345), one (1) to four (4) numbers and one (1) suffix letter (ex. - N1234Z), or one (1) to three (3) numbers and two (2) suffix letters (N123AZ). To avoid confusion with the numbers one and zero, the letters "I" and "O" may not be used.
http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/n-numHelp.asp

Don't believe me?
Run them yourself.
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNum_inquiry.asp
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Dulce vs. Woody Box
Woody: Two planes took off.

Dulce: They never did.

Bolo: Where's my popcorn?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. I've got some Orville Reddenbacker in the microwave
And I made enough for the both of us.

This is going to be exciting!!!!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Hey! What about me???
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I'll put another bag in.
Please accept my apology. To make up for it I'll buy you a drink.

:beer:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Thanks
:toast:
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #11
20. Party s' over guys......
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 09:05 AM by seatnineb
:hangover:

Mercutio....
Care to remind your drinking buddies what you wrote on:
Wed May-05-04 05:49 PM

Seeing as you probably wont do it .....
I will remind them for you........

In Mercutio's own words.....
"Where'd this Sweeney stuff come from, anyway? I've made it clear that I'm not toeing the official line here..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x11204#11649

Mighty strong words Merc.......
Deny Sweeney and you deny the one individual who has practically
breathed the Arab hijacking genius into the mass consciousness.
The Arab hijacking genius which you espouse and defend to the high hilt........so that 9/11 is the way we have been told it is......

But without Sweeney, Merc...you are treading ever more steeply on that indefensible ,paradoxical precipice over which you preside......

So go ahead ...Merc
Deny Sweeney and leave LARED AND Bolo to defend the paradoxical and indefensible by themselves......

Because you know that after Sweeney you have only got Betty Ong....

And believe me you wont want to use her testimony.......








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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. Why do you people keep mistaking me for somebody with an agenda to
push? "I" don't have Sweeney. "I" don't have Betty Ong.

What I do have is a pretty detailed knowledge of ATC and its related systems. Show me one thread I've posted that cites ANY of these people. Frankly, I couldn't care less what they have to say because I'm not here to present a theory on the entirety of what happened on 9/11. I'm here to tell people what is and isn't possible or probable based on my relatively specialized knowledge (specialized for DU, anyway).

They're not strong words for somebody with no interest in toeing ANY line, so I'll say them again:

"I've made it clear that I'm not toeing the official line here."




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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. seatnineb vs. AbeLinkman
seatnineb: Sweeney's phone call is what started the Arab meme.

Abe: Nuh-uh, it's the Olson call.

Bolo: Think I'll clarify some butter for my popcorn...anyone else?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Mmmmmm....clarified butter on popcorn...
:)
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. Truth seekers v. PR spin
seatnineb: Official Story is BS
Abe: ditto

Bolo: Can't allow this to continue. Time for another distraction.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. Mercutio's agenda

You do have an agenda Mercutio..........


To quote Mercutio

Wed May-05-04 09:23 AM

"What I do believe is that 4 planes were hijacked and crashed. I don't believe our government actually did it, but I do believe they were completely inept in handling the warnings and are now (since 9/11) madly trying to cover their asses and spin this into something that supports their agenda."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x11204#11

The above statement practically wreaks of the official story.......

And this comes from a guy who today on Tue Jun-08-04 02:20 PM said.........
"Why do you keep mistaking for somebody with an agenda to push?"
Well Ladies and Gentlemen now you know why!


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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Enough to baffle the curious, ain't it?
I sorta had the idea that the gentleman was just a former traveling salesman for the Red Goose Shoe Compny and somehow got caught up in the
middle of an ATC/PsyOps exercise. But, in hindsight, given his expertise in so many areas (including even weapons system delivery strategies and so forth)...it's hard to disagree with you.

Everybody likes popcorn.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Hey Abe!
Do you think Bolo or Mercutio will be able to cope now that their symbiotic relationship has fractured somewhat.......


In Bolo's own words
Mon Apr-26-04 01:12 PM

"...we still have the stories given to us by the families about their deceased loved ones calling them.

The technical considerations do nothing but show how difficult calling from a cell phone on a plane can be. Regardless, we still have the stories showing it can be done.

And IT WAS DONE."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x11204

Sorry Bolo......but it looks like Mercutio deserted ya........
In MercutioATC's own words
Wed May-05-04 05:49 PM

"Where'd this Sweeney stuff come from, anyway? I've made it clear that I'm not toeing the official line here..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x11204


Sure Abe,I am up for the popcorn.....

But best give the hankies to Merc and Bolo first .......
Ahhhhhh......

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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Theirs was always a somewhat fragile relationship
One claiming not to be "toeing the official line" and the other claiming
the official line is the right line, but "mistakes were made, negligence occurred, snafus happened, and you can't believe Dan Rather's report on CBS about Osama being in a military hospital on the Pakistani border on
9-10-01, and you certainly can't believe a FRENCH newspaper's report of
Osama being visited in the American hospital by the local CIA Station Chief, in July, 2001, but Osama's STILL THE ONE"!

Maybe counseling would help. But, if it doesn't "take", then so be it, and pass the hankies for "cryin' time again."

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. Abe, why not answer the questions I asked yesterday before pidgeonholing
me? LARED and Bolo and I get along fine. We may have different views of what happened on 9/11, but we're able to discuss it civilly. We don't feel the need to resort to personal attacks to make our points.

I'm touched by your concern for our "fragile relationship", but we're doing fine.

:hi:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. Poor Abe.
It must be difficult when you realize that almost no one agrees with you.

I don't think I've actually ever said that "you can't believe Dan Rather's report on CBS about Osama being in a military hospital on the Pakistani border," or even words to that effect.

I do recall showing that Osama could easily have been in the hospital in Pakistan on 9/10 for his kidney dialysis and then safely away in his cave when the 9/11 attacks occured (late in the evening on 9/11 in his time zone). And it wasn't a US military hospital, was it? I recall it being a Pakistani hospital, and I don't think anyone would be surprised that Osama had some buddies in the Pakistani military.

I did actually state words to the effect that "you certainly can't believe a FRENCH newspaper's report of Osama being visited in the American hospital by the local CIA Station Chief, in July, 2001," but it has nothing to do with their nationality. The single source for that newspaper story is some anonymous French intelligence source - a spook. You can read it in the story for yourself.

There could have been many reasons for French intelligence to make up a story like that. Here's one: the French had their own oil deals in the Middle East, and America making troop movements in support of American oil deals threaten to cut in on their territory. So somebody makes up a story about America and Osama in cahoots months before 9/11 and somebody releases it to the French newspaper. The newspaper prints it because it will sell newspapers, and all they're saying is that somebody in French intelligence says this meeting took place.

Poor Abe. Your plight touches my heart.

:cry:

*sniff*

Ooo, is that the microwave?
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #41
48. bolo: blah, blah, blah
Wow! That's some kind of spin. I'm impressed. Want me to send a note to someone?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. I see, stating an opinion gives me an agenda??
That's complete tripe. Of course I have an opinion. That doesn't mean I'm trying to push an agenda.

If this is the standard of "proof" that people are using, I see why many of these conspiracy theories are so full of holes.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #33
45. Mercutio's opinion.



Tell me Merc ......
So you believe in the following..........

MercutioATC's opinion
Wed May-05-04 09:23 AM

"What I do believe is that 4 planes were hijacked and crashed. I don't believe our government actually did it, but I do believe they were completely inept in handling the warnings and are now (since 9/11) madly trying to cover their asses and spin this into something that supports their agenda."

Other than the fact that the F.B.I says so........
Tell us the reason WHY you believe in that "opinion".
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. I believe it, in part, because of Occam's Razor..
...which tells us that all things being equal, the simplest answer is probably the truth.

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe that the government "made" this happen with decoy planes and/or missiles. I'm still hoping for more data, but there's been nothing concrete so far that points to anything other than incompetence to me.

Compounded with the fact that I can see holes a mile wide in most of the other theories I've seen here, my position is pretty m,uch the same:

We have our unpreparedness to blame for 9/11. The administration was complicit in that it ignored warnings that I believe it had, but I don't see further involvement.

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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
16. Ah, Mercutio - nice to meet you here

Did you find out in the meantime which plane threatened Cleveland Center (the reason it was evacuated)?

To remind you: It must have been the plane you lost contact with. It cannot have been UA 93, because this plane turned around over Cleveland, flying eastwards.

Do you think it could be this mysterious Flight X from Cleveland Airport?

Or was it Delta 1989?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x12604





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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. DAL1989 was the reason for the evacuation.
I did read your other post and commented. Just because eyewitnesses saw more than one plane land at Hopkins that morning doesn't mean there was anything amiss. 4500 planes landed in under 4 hours that day nationwide, a great many at airports other than their original destination. In talking to controllers who actually worked that morning, things were pretty chaotic for a while.

I also don't see anything other than newspaper reports (often innacurate) used as proof of anything unusual going on. I simply don't see any proof of a second plane.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #1
15. Your answer is completely off-topic, Dulce

This thread is about the phone calls, not the tail numbers. The double flight 11 is just a sideline. Why do you give our opponents the enjoyment of seeing us arguing?

Please make up a new thread on the tail numbers, and I will post my comments.



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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. My apologies woody b
If you want to discuss the FAKE calls on this thread, that is fine with me.

As for the popcorn-eaters, do not mind them.
No one here really expects much from them.
You notice they have not one word to say on certain subjects (eg FAKE N-numbers.)

As for that CNN article, there are so very many things wrong with it.
(sigh)
However, as a piece of creative fiction, it is not half bad.
:bounce:
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. Okay, Dulce; so don't eat too much popcorn, folks...

this DNA manipulated stuff is unhealthy and not good for your body, let alone your brain.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. Ladies and gentlemen...the Beatles.
You say Yes, I say No
You say Stop but I Say Go, Go, Go

Oh No
You Say Goodbye and I Say Hello
Hello, Hello
I Don't Know Why you Say Goodbye
I Say Hello, hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye
I say hello

I Say High, You Say Low
You Say Why and I Say I Don't Know

Oh No
You say Goodbye and I say Hello
(Hello, Goodbye, Hello, Goodbye)
Hello, Hello
(Hello, Goodbye)
I Don't Know Why You Say Goodbye I say Hello
(Hello, Goodbye, Hello, Goodbye)
Hello, Hello
(Hello, Goodbye)
I Don't Know Why You Say Goodbye I say Hello
(Hello, Goodbye)

(Why, Why, Why, Why, Why, Why Do you Say
Goodbye, Goodbye, Bye , Bye , Bye ,Bye, Bye)

Oh No
You Say Goodbye and I Say Hello
Hello, Hello
I Don't Know Why you Say Goodbye
I Say Hello, Hello, Hello
I don't know why you say goodbye
I say Hello

You Say Yes (I Say Yes)
I Say No (But I May Mean No, I can Stay Till It's Time To Go)
You Say Stop
And I Say Go Go Go

Oh No
You Say Goodbye and I Say Hello
Hello, Hello
I Don't Know Why you Say Goodbye
I Say Hello, Hello, Hello
I don't know why you say goodbye
I say Hello, Hello, Hello
I don't know why you say goodbye
I Say Hello OOOO OOOO OOOO OOOO HellOOOO

Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a,
Hay La, Hey Hello-a

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
63. We HAVE dealt with your "N-numbers" issue, DD...repeatedly.
Your only retort was to advise us to tool on over to O'Hare and look to the skies because you allegedly have proof but refuse to show it.

Let's be honest. The ball IS in your court on this one.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 04:46 PM
Response to Original message
3. Maybe CNN's next trick will be recordings of Babs Olson calling Ted.
Is there anyone here (other than "them") who doubts that even if ALL calls to the Solicitor General of the United States aren't recorded, there is certainly a paper record of such calls.

Because the Gov't has used the alleged calls from Barbara aka Olson to Ted, from FL 77 to establish the most basic, crucial elements necessary to turn Osama from a mere Patsy, into the world's most brilliant terror expert, you know (all of you that is, who are free to know) that the Gov't would have LONG ago releashed some proof of those calls; but not one scintilla of evidence has been released to substantiate the claimed calls were actually made.

Why is that? Right, again, Bucko. Those claims are pure propaganda, cooked up by who knows who (Rendon Group? H & Knowlton? Contract Spinner? Gov't agency Spinnner?).
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Abe, no one's talking about that in this thread.
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 04:59 PM by boloboffin
Leave your Olson fixation back in the other thread and pay attention:

The Boxmeister and Sweet Dulce are pacing around the wrestling ring. The CT Heavyweight Title is on the line. The discussion of the hour:

Did two planes take off or did no planes take off?

Go!
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. bolio, Ted's lies make you nervous? Can't quite spin it just right?
You're upset because having to deal with Ted's lies are a bit of a challenge when your objective is to "sell" the "Cavepeople Did It" fairy tale.

Admit it!
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. No, Abe, that's something you're avoiding in another thread
...and now you're here distracting from the two plane/no plane smackdown about to occur.

Go answer my questions over there in that thread and I'll be happy to deal with it there. But in here: Shhh!

And see if you can get that soda pop guy to stop over here...
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. What is the title of this thread, bolio?
It's very appropriate and important that supporters of the "Wacky Cavepeople Did It" Conspiracy Theory explain why anyone should still believe that fairy tale, since the key elements of it were based on Ted Olson's lies about what his wife* supposedly told him on her cell phone (or seat back phone, or tin can).

Go ahead, now. See the title of this tread? It's okay for you to step out and step UP to the plate and slain yoself, you hear? By the way, before you do that, maybe you can come up with some kind of signal to let us know when you aren't spinning.

Thanks, bolo. Now, come on with it.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Abe
As I am a proponent that "The Wacky Cave Men" were involved, My opinion is that Ted Oslen's phone call from his wife is not a key element. It is one small piece of evidence that if it did not exist would not change a thing.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. "lared" -- I hope it's only because you don't know the facts.
Only an uninformed partisan or an informed spinner would describe the critical lies told by the Solicitor General as being "one small piece of evidence".

Without the Olson lies, the entire fairy tale collapses. And you don't think that's important? If not, then I can safely stop taking anything from you as being informed or serious.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Abe, I've asked you a couple of times to resolve conflicting facts with
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 10:29 PM by MercutioATC
your version of events. You've declined to answer, which is your right. Why is it, though, that hard fact such as the lack of radar targets is fine to ignore, but "the entire fairy tale collapses" if we choose not to bring Olson into the discussion?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. Without the Olson lies, the entire fairy tale collapses
So tell us

Why?

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
35. Abe, I feeling neglected here
I believe that since you maintain the official story house of cards would collapse without the Olsen call, perhaps you might take a moment to explain how you have come to that amazing conclusion.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. That's been covered many, many times.
"lared" -- That has been covered many, many times here on DU and at other web sites, too. I'm not gonna do your research for you. If you want to brush up on your shocking lack of knowledge and understanding of 9-11; I'm not gonna do anymore work for you. Put down your popcorn, and
set aside your kneejerk support of "Osama Did It, Dammit" Conspiracy Theories...and get some learning. Go on, now. Hurry up. And, when you finish, come back and give us a report.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. In other words
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 09:06 PM by LARED
You have no clue why you believe the Olsen phone call is critical to the Official story.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Words
No, I'm not gonna do your research for you. What goes around...
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 04:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
44. "Abe Linkman"
Edited on Wed Jun-09-04 04:44 AM by LARED
This is a difference. It is FUNDAMENTAL to your position that without the Olsen phone call the official story house of cards fall apart.

I know you have never answered this question. I know you have always dodged this question. My guess is you can't answer without looking foolish.


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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. "lared" and the law of Karma
"lared" -- You seem upset, but you shouldn't be. You know what Karma is, don't you? Get some popcorn and read up on it.

Cheers.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #46
51. Still won't answer the question I see
I guess I can't blame you for dodging it though.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. Oh, the h*** it has.
I'm the one who brought this up a few months ago.

You have NEVER, EVER explained how denying the Olson phone calls makes the whole house of cards fall down. You say it over and over.

But when asked, begged, pleaded with to explain, you scamper away.

Bring me one link here at DU that proves me wrong. I double dog dare you.

What, dear Abe, would be different about anything if the Olson calls had never become part of the public knowledge about 9/11?

Hmmm?

I'm still waiting.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. bolo: "Still spinning, after all these years."
No one here (who is objective) believes Ted's lies, and I suspect that you don't either.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #47
52. Abe: evade, flee, but never answer
No one here (who is objective) believes Ted's lies, and I suspect that you don't either.

Here's the deal: I don't have any problem with Ted's story either way.

Let's say he lied: So? Ted was a big part of the Arkansas Project, and there's the famous quote about lying he coughed up somewhere, so lying is something that's not beyond the man. And the memory of the man hawking his dead wife's last book with a picture of her prominently displayed for the camera - said book being one final swipe from the grave at the Clintons - will forever be an ill memory in my mind.

But his story is plausible. It could have happened: cell phones work on planes, many people called their loved ones from the planes, and being married to the Solicitor General of the United States would be a further motivation to call him and let him know what's going on. You know, despite his capacity for lying (or should I say because of?), Ted's got a number of contacts in the Bush Administration, and they probably should have been informed of something like the 9/11 attacks.

So maybe he lied, maybe he told the truth. What difference does it make to anything, anything at all, if he did or not????

Nothing established from the Barbara Olson calls rests solely on the Olson calls alone. It is not the mother of all lies that you continue to claim, against reason, it to be. If it is a lie, then it's just one more shameless lie from Ted Olson. If it's the truth, it stands with all the other testimony...

...but if it's proven false, that doesn't mean that all the other evidence is false!

I don't know one way or another if Ted's story is the truth. More than one person in his office spoke with Barbara. The people he called during the attacks about Barbara's call confirm that he did call them as he said. So I tend to believe here that Ted's telling the truth about the calls.

But if he's not, how does anything change, Abe? That's the question you continue to avoid.

You should at least try to answer this question, Abe. Your credibility is spiraling away faster than Ted Olson's.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. Do the reseach. This is Old, Old stuff, bolo.
I'm surprised that you say you don't know why Ted's lies were critical in establishing the very fairy tale you are here to promote and defend.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Yeah, yeah.
Avoid, evade, and pretend you've answered something you never have.

Classic AbeLinkman.
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dinyc Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #13
50. "Without the Olson lies, the entire fairy tale collapses. "
Didn't Joe Vialls say this first?
http://www.geocities.com/subliminalsuggestion/olson.html
Are you...*gasp* Joe Vialls?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #50
64. Very interesting
If true, it could explain a lot.

If not true, it's just as well, as anything Vialls says is by default a mix of fact and fiction.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
19. The title of the thread is CNN on 9/11 phone calls
Barbara Olson isn't even mentioned by name! According to you it's the key evidence for the al-Qaeda involvement, and yet the article doesn't even mention Olson.

Therefore, your Olson fixation is out of bounds. Now stick to the subject, Abe.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. You're right, bolo: 9/11 calls. That includes the Olson calls.
I do hope your hard work is recognized by those you care about.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. CNN didn't bother to mention the all-important Olson calls at all
Why is that, Abe?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 12:05 PM
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. Feel better, now, bolo?
Good on you. Show 'em whatcha got. CLOUT!, I tell ya.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
54. What are you blathering about, Abe? n/t
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Thanks. I'll ask my boss about that.
n/t
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. And if penguins could fly, they would eat ice cream.
However, thirty people took the test and scored 75, so obviously Blaine is the suspect.

And the telling clue is...the fish wrapped in newspaper.

All of which leads me to call Jon Stewart so he can say:

Whaaaaaaaaa?

You answer my question about your non-sequiter with another one. So enjoy!
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #24
49. Bolo forgot about Barbie but C.N.N did not.......

In Bolo's own words......
Tue Jun-08-04 03:13 PM

"CNN didn't bother to mention the all-important Olson calls at all"

Bolo....
If you are going to carry on defending the indefensible ...
At least get it right.......


Wife of Solicitor General alerted him of hijacking from plane
SEPTEMBER 12, 2001 Posted: 2:06 AM EDT (0606 GMT)

Barbara Olson

By Tim O'Brien


WASHINGTON -- Barbara Olson, a conservative commentator and attorney, alerted her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, that the plane she was on was being hijacked Tuesday morning, Ted Olson told CNN.

A short time later the plane crashed into the Pentagon. Barbara Olson is presumed to have died in the crash.

Her husband said she called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77, which was en route from Washington Dulles International Airport to Los Angeles.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson/

Guess we could rely on a source like C.N.N to get the Barbie myth under away.........










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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. Umm, I'm speaking about the CNN article that started this thread
Of course, CNN has mentioned the Olson calls in the past. I never said that they didn't. We're talking about the article that woody b quoted to begin this thread.

Why would you twist my words to make me say something I didn't, hmmm? Why don't you deal with the subject, instead of trying to make me the subject of the thread, hmmm?
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. Now, THAT'S funny.
Acid reflux?
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dinyc Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:46 AM
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26. Well this meeting was good for this anyway—
"'Mom, this is Mark Bingham. I just want to tell you that I love you. I am on a flight from Newark to San Francisco. There are three guys on board who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb. You believe me don't you, Mom? I'm calling you from the air phone.' And then we were disconnected," Hoaglan said, her voice breaking.

She quickly added, "That's not information I got today. That's information I got at 6:44 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time from the lips of Mark Bingham."

:crazy: :crazy:
No matter how many times I hear that story, I just gotta hear it again.

Wasn't a session for Flight 93 held in Princeton already, like a year or two ago?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 11:23 PM
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:23 PM
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65. This guy says the Sweeney call was recorded and was played on TV
http://www.prisonplanet.com/110903flight11.html

"Even more unsettling, was the network news broadcast, aired a few days after 9/11, that featured the last moments of the (recorded) Sweeney phone call. Anyone listening to this call, should have immediately been struck by one thing..............namely, the only voice you hear screaming is Madeline Sweeney¹s. Can it truly be plausible, that in the moments before crashing into the North Tower of the WTC, one flight attendant would, among 9 other crew members and 81 passengers, be the only one heard shrieking in terror?"

Has anyone else heard this recording? Could it have been a dramatization perhaps?
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