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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 06:35 PM
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I need to clear something up about why I posted the "Zionist" article.
I certainly hope this is okay to do. I was told that I could repost this, but I just want to post up my explanation for this.

I posted the article about Zionists "faking" the holocaust.

I'm aware that this offended pro-Israelis and pro-Palestinians.

I'm worried that some "pro-Israelis" might think that I'm in agreement with the author. I'm not. I think that type of behavior is disgusting. If you read my posts in the thread "Anti-semitism, used a political" tool, and read my posts about Mel Gibson, then you'll know that I find behavior like his and the Hamas writer to be appalling.

For the "pro-Palestinians", I did not do this to be an apoligist for Israel. Anybody who reads my posts knows that I criticize Israeli policy quite harshly.

The reason that I posted that article is because I want people (particularly "pro-Palestinians") to know what the Hamas is truly like. I did that because a lot of "pro-Palestinians" have this attitude of "Israel's oppressing the Palestinians, and that's all that we need to know. NO, that's not all that you need to know. I think that people from both "sides" of this issue need to know and understand as much information as possible when discussing this topic. That's why I did it. I thought that I had made myself clear in the post that I posted it in, but I obviously didn't. I do sincerely apologize for such an inflammatory misunderstanding that I've created.

Okay, if I misunderstood what you said, then just lock up the thread. Please don't delete it though. I didn't really want to repost the article anyway since it came off so inflammatory.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 06:36 PM
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1. I understood you perfectly...
I respect your fairmindedness in regard to this conflict as well.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:21 PM
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2. You Did Nothing Wrong
It is always useful to see the propagandas of both sides; it lets everyone lmow where things really stand with the "hard men" who have no use for any peace save one of victory.

Your own comments are consistently even-handed, to my view.
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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:48 PM
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3. As a "Pro-Palestinian" it is the fact that the Holocaust took place
that makes the behaviour of the Israelis so inexplicable and inexcusable. Anyone who argues that the Holocaust never happened isn't worth listening to. And, in my opinion is not only ignorant, but actually harms the cause of the Palestinians.

I am pro-Palestinian, but I don't know any Palestinians. I just think they have been used unconscionably by those who had any advantage to gain by doing so. I believe there is an enormous world danger in pushing any people to point these people are being pushed.

The "anti-Semetic" card is way overplayed. Especially by those who don't wish to confront the issues. It ends up inhibiting expression to the point where opinions become so convoluted they become meaningless and, often ironically, totally misunderstood.

In my veiw you are entitled to use and make any argument you want without apology. So long as you are sincere about it and are not abusive.

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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:57 PM
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4. Well...
"I am pro-Palestinian, but I don't know any Palestinians. I just think they have been used unconscionably by those who had any advantage to gain by doing so. I believe there is an enormous world danger in pushing any people to point these people are being pushed."

Do you know how many "Palestinians" there are around the world that you have never heard of? Seriously, there's only two reasons why these people get so much attention.

1) They're being oppressed by "The Jewish State".

2) Isarel is being the number one recipient in aid by the largest superpower in the world.

Meanwhile, did you know that the Palestinians, and the rest of people in Lebanon are also being just as badly occupied by the Syrians? Before, it was Israel. Now, it's the Syrians. It sounds to me like Palestinians in general badly need their own state and to get all of their oppressors off of their back. The Palestinians have been pushed around all through the ME in my opinion since the 1940's. Vietnam was actually the same way at once. They were pushed around for over a hundred years until they were finally united. They fought for their freedom to not be oppressed by other nations, and eventually, they won their freedom. I believe that the Palestinians will too someday.


"The "anti-Semetic" card is way overplayed. Especially by those who don't wish to confront the issues. It ends up inhibiting expression to the point where opinions become so convoluted they become meaningless and, often ironically, totally misunderstood."

I understand, ALL issues need to be confronted. However, I do think that anti-semitism is one of the issues. Nobody notices this, but I posted an article yesterday about how Palestinians on welfare wouldn't get their money because the PA has now froze the charities that help them in the name of "stopping terrorism". The possibility of a whole lot of starving Palestinians is a serious issue. I don't intend to take the focus off of any of them.


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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:32 PM
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7. If your point is that the Palestinians have been badly treated
by the "Arabs", the Israelis", and pretty much most of the "power brokers" of the Western World, I certainly don't dispute it. It is my veiw that Sharon and his type are fueling "Anti-Semitism" around the world. The same way Ben Ladin is for Islam. I just don't hear enough protest from Jews about Sharon, and from Islamists about Ben Ladin. When there is some criticism it is often of the "Yes. But...." variety.

Both sides claim that these guys have little support. Yet they seem to go on and on.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 12:04 AM
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5. Thank you Jackie97
Your view is very heartfelt and honest. As The Magistrate mentioned above, your views are known to be even handed.

I agree with you in that I've always felt that the issue at hand is to work beyond the hate and move towards the common good at hand. Rational and honest discourse is the first step towards this.

Lithos
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