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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:28 PM
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Inquiry after Israeli forces caught using boy as shield
Inquiry after Israeli forces caught using boy as shield
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

24 April 2004

A photograph of a Palestinian boy tied to an Israeli police jeep has been handed to justice officials charged with investigating complaints over the use of "human shields" against demonstrators.

The boy, 13-year-old Mohammed Bedwan, and three adult protesters were tied to border police vehicles last week during one of what have become almost daily demonstrations against the routing of the Israeli government's barrier through Palestinian land.

The photograph, taken by human rights activists in the village of Biddo, north-west of Jerusalem, shows Mohammed tied by an arm to a mesh on the jeep windscreen - a mesh intended to protect the vehicle and its driver against stones and rocks. Police said last night that the Justice Ministry's police complaints unit was investigating the case.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.j...
At least four Palestinians have been shot dead in Biddo this year in rock-throwing protests against the barrier. An elderly man also died of heart failure after inhaling tear gas. Palestinian activists say border police had in two separate instances this month used villagers as shields to prevent stone-throwing, and that forces had also repeatedly used both rubber and live bullets to disperse protesters.
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hellboy Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:29 PM
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1. War is hell.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:33 PM
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2. Peace is Heaven.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:48 PM
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3. "The most moral border police in the world?"
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 06:53 PM by Scurrilous
n/t
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hellboy Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:55 PM
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5. That kid might of had a bomb connected to him.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:58 PM
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7. If he did...
why would he be tied to the front of the jeep?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:58 PM
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8. Then why did they use him...
..for a hood ornament? Is that SOP for dealing with suspected suicide bombers?
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:58 PM
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9. So why would they tie him to the vehicle?
Yeah - that's right - *TIE HIM TO THE VEHICE*

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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:59 PM
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11. Obviously an assertion so stupid...
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 07:03 PM by newyorican
as to perplex more than lil' ol' me...

On Edit: Then again, you can save what's left of your face by using the edit feature...the clock is ticking.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 07:00 PM
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12. Then, Sir
It would be damned foolish of the police to congregate around him, and as that is merest speculation on your part, it can be dismissed entirely in discussing the incident.

What is beyond dispute is that such behavior by the police involved is criminal: persons are not to be used as shelter by armed forces, and at need, policemen can stand up to a few rocks....
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 08:02 PM
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16. Hellboy, 60 posts in one day, many promoting hateful
ideology, and embracing the fascist tactics of Sharon and his Likud gang. You won't last long here....boy.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 08:42 AM
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21. Dont be so sure
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:27 AM
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25. I have asked the administrators to ban him
Please go to this topic to support it http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:53 AM
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28. I doubt the mods need,or want,my help
in determining who stays or goes ;-)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:31 AM
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26. Please support
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:52 PM
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36. You were right...
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 05:12 PM
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38. He'll be back...
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 05:12 PM by newyorican
Another persona, another day...
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:54 PM
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4. Photo is on Maariv Int. website...
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 06:57 PM by newyorican
http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&...

<snip>
According to Rabbi Ascherman as we approached the police unit they tear-gassed us, without any provocation on our part. After the gas had dissipated I approached them, and asked them what was happening to the boy. At that point the commander, Pakad (Superintendent) Shahar Itzhaki told me I was under arrest for violating a military order by entering a closed military zone without permission. When I attempted to protest, he beat me, head butted me and had me handcuffed, together with a Palestinian man and a Swedish human rights activist.

The boy, crying, shaking from fear and eventually cold, was sat on the hood of a jeep and tied to the bars protecting the glass. The other three arrestees were bound and placed in front of a second jeep as human shields, to deter protestors from throwing stones at the jeep.

I repeatedly requested over the next few hours that we not be used as human shields, and that the boy receive medical attention and that the officers identify themselves. He also asked to lend his coat to the child and to stand in front of the child to protect him from stones. All these requests were met with physical and verbal threats, orders to "shut up," and/or derision.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 07:01 PM
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13. the IDF-- maintaining the moral high ground in the war on...
...Palestinian refuges and peace activists. Pigs.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 05:10 PM
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37. The print edition
(Hebrew) had a larger picture - the same as on the human rights websites.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:57 PM
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6. Nice.
"The boy, 13-year-old Mohammed Bedwan, and three adult protesters were tied to border police vehicles last week during one of what have become almost daily demonstrations against the routing of the Israeli government's barrier through Palestinian land."

Why do they hate us again?
Oh that's right - they hate us becasuse of our 'Freedom'.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:59 PM
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10. "the Justice Ministry's police complaints unit..."
...is "investigating the case." NOT the ICC, where it should be investigated!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 07:03 PM
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14. The Jurisdiction Of That Court, Sir
Would come into play only once it had been determined the Israeli authorities would not investigate the matter, or if it was clear their investigation was a sham. It is unfortunate, from the point of view of any who support Israel, that it is likely the investigation will prove a sham, and that only token punishment, if that, will be meted out.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 07:05 PM
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15. it was a rhetorical remark...
...intended to convey my belief that war crimes should be referred to a more powerful judiciary than the "police complaints unit."
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 08:08 PM
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17. dont cha know the IDF and Israel never..
do anything bad :eyes:
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 08:39 PM
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18. "investigating the case"
a few years back Israelis investigated the clear murder of a child by IDF troops. They were fined 3 cents by their "courts".
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 10:49 PM
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19. US reaction
Haven't you heard that, like every country, Israel has the right to "self defense"?


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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:44 PM
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20. Absolutely disgusting....
and it won't appear in any mainstream American news outlet, either.
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hellboy Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 09:19 AM
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22. Pic is probably propoganda. I question the validity of it. "Truth is
the first casualty of war."
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 09:22 AM
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23. Your posts are pure propaganda
again,offer up some evidence to support your theory.Put up or shut up.Quit embarrassing yourself further.
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hellboy Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:51 AM
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27. I feel that you're embarrassing yourself with your lack of depth.
Again, it's my OPINION that it's staged. Remember when the palestinians were caught staging that funeral procession, lol. Remember when the supposed dead person fell from the stretcher and then mysteriously ran away, lol. That is why I'm skeptical of Palestian propoganda.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:20 PM
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30. You may want to check *your depth*
If this was a staged event, it would have to have been staged by the IDF. Not sure what propaganda goal that would serve. I am, however, sure that you have the answer, being the only one around here with a clear understanding of the complexities of the M/E.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:50 PM
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33. heh
depth would be lost on you I'm afraid.Of course,that would just be my OPINION.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:59 AM
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24. Well...
You first claimed that the youth 'had a bomb' strapped to him.
Now, you're claiming that the pic is propaganda.
Could it be that you'll look for any reason to excuse the IDF for their barbaric behaviour? And wouldn't that fall under the category of propaganda?
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hellboy Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:59 AM
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29. I said the bomb comment as a tongue in cheek comment.
I claim the pic was propoganda because of past propoganda like the time the palestians faked that funeral procession. Remember when the dead body got up and ran away, lol.

The IDF is in a war. Of course, it's brutal.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:20 PM
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31. LOL
"Tongue in cheek", eh? Damn that 1 hour editing deadline!

Something is definitely in something, but it ain't your tongue in your cheek, boy.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:23 PM
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32. Yet on another post you claim the IDF is involved
in "...more of a police action". Of course, that argument was to excuse the IDF from Geneva Accord responsibilities. In this thread, you claim the IDF is in a war, so as to excuse the IDF for atrocities.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:51 PM
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34. the depth is breathtaking
I say that tongue in cheek of course :P
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:51 PM
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35. sure you did
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:16 PM
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39. Locking. Dupe;
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