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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:08 PM
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Arabs Scared of the truth
During the many years of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Arab public opinion has adopted a single, focused and uncompromising point of view. In very few cases we hear a different opinion or unusual criticism of the common perception. If the impossible happens and one person or another dares challenge the dominant view, the Arab soil starts to shake and quickly we see charges against the "sinner" In various ways and forms, in a bid to smear him and repress his thoughts.

Many Arab leaders utilize the Palestinian issue as a means to sowing fear among their own peoples. The greater the oppression and deprivation of human rights, the greater the scaremongering dosages and the injection of Israel-hate into the Arab nations veins. This is done while the media under these dark regimes strictly refers to the Jewish State as the Zionist enemy, lest the simple folk get confused and perceive Israel as a friendly, peace-seeking state.

The years go by yet the conflict persists. At times there are periods of terror and war, and other times we see optimistic winds of reconciliation and understanding. At other junctions, it appears that everyone is simply fed up. Yet recently, something happened in the Arab world: The Tunisian Spring was the first to arrive, while changing many of the old perceptions. The Egyptians waited for the heat of summer to rise up, and now we are witnessing the beginning of the Syrian winter, with growing calls to topple the Alawite regime.



Some Syrian citizens may have realized that the demonic Israeli monster is the product of the government press and outlandish TV stations imagination. The historical truth shows that Israel fought wars that were forced upon it by those who convinced themselves that Israel is simply fiction, a fleeting phenomenon that shall quickly disappear from the Middle Easts map. In practice, this tiny state scored one victory after another, proving that that it is a living and breathing fact, entrenched deep in this soil.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4156331,00.ht...



Propaganda and control is the root cause of intolerance towards Israel and arab rejectionism
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:18 PM
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1. Unrecced.
Or at least I tried.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:52 PM
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3. On what grounds?
Public opinion poll after public opinion poll in the Arab world clearly substantiates the underlying premise of the OP.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:18 PM
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2. "Arabs"....as in ALL Arabs?
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 04:20 PM by Ken Burch
Already alerted on this racist OP.

Starting a thread title with a sweeping pejorative statement about "Arabs" is no more acceptable than starting one with a sweeping pejorative statement about "Jews" or about "the N-word" or about "the six-letter f word for gays".

Got that?
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:54 PM
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4. All Republicans are Repukes?
Not nearly the same difference. Arab public opinion polls demonstrate the core findings of this article. This OP tries to put in context the systemic propaganda that the arab world faces from their governments and religious institutions when it comes to Israel.

Got that?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:55 PM
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5. Republicans aren't a race or an ethnicity.
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 04:56 PM by Ken Burch
Besides, it's absurd to assume that, if only it wasn't for "propaganda", that the Arab world would have been glad to let Palestinians be displaced and wouldn't have any problems with the Occupation of the West Bank or the settlements.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 06:22 PM
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8. Myth of occupation
Israel has been under siege for 60 years by a group that rejects their right to exist. Besides, we already know that the myth of the <1.2% of "arab land" is made up of settlements. The "settlement" issue is just an excuse and not a valid, legitimate complaint.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:14 PM
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6. So the Israeli occupation
of Palestine (Judea, Samaria, and the Golan) is only Arab propaganda? got it
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 06:18 PM
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7. This is basically just another "it's ALL the damn Arabs' fault" thread
Why anyone would say such a thing, when it's not true and when saying it serves no constructive purpose, is beyond me.

People on both sides of the issue need to accept that there's RESPONSIBILITY on both sides. And legitimate grievance. And pain. And at least some truth.

Is this too much to ask?
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 10:44 PM
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9. No, the Israeli occupation of Palestine is really
the Arab occupation of judea and Samaria.

A nearly identical article could have been written with the word "Jews" substituting for the word "Arabs", nd it would have been at least as accurate. Only difference is that it would have been locked by now.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:09 AM
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11. Lol that's why I worded my comment the way I did
it is very much that way for some here
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:21 AM
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12. Much of the so called occupied land was taken by force by Arab nations
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 09:22 AM by ProgressiveProfessor
The original UN borders are the proper and legitimate borders, not those in 1966
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 02:05 PM
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14. exactly which original UN border's ? The Green Line or the partition? n/t
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 11:24 AM
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15. The original borders were rejected by the arab population
No sane person would agree to the arbitrary 1967 borders that represent Israel reclaiming land taken by Egypt and Jordan, yet what borders are appropriate given the ongoing arab rejectionism? After all, the arab world view is a world without an Israeli state.
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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:41 PM
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10. The cause of the Indian wars was Native American rejectionism...
the land settled by the early white colonists was less than 0.1% of the North American continent, and they paid fair price for this with real feathers and real beads. The Indians weren't happy with this so they attacked the settlers and were defeated, even though the land wasn't privately owned by anyone beforehand and they weren't even doing anything with it.

So the white settlers gained territory in a defensive war that they didn't start. If the Indians had made peace with the white colonists then they would already have a state of their own, but their leaders led them astray by promising they would slaughter the whites. If the red man had his way all the whities would be pushed into the sea.

Plus, there was never an independent Native American state. Whitey took Manhattan and made a bustling metropolis, if the Indians were still in charge they would be chasing after bears with their wangers hanging out.

Its all true. None of you damn liberal pantywaists can argue with the facts.



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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:48 AM
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13. the cause of indian wars......was the indians...
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 09:50 AM by pelsar
shall we take the honest route and apply the principle of people moving, applying their culture to the new area with the resulting resistance to the rest of the world...just for fun to see if the american settlers or jewish settlers were somehow different from others who moved to new lands and established their culture:

hmm, lets start off the various american indian tribes....estimated at over 780 official and non official tribes....and we can without any doubt assume that some of those tribes, had the "settler mentality". The would move to new lands, have border disputes kill, enslave the other original inhabitants and instill their own culture...just like the early european settlers later did to them

how about the europeans, any tribes therein the history move to "new lands" instill the new culture, overcome those that resisted and make a "new nation"?
germany comes to mind as does britan...do you think anything like that happened in china?...how about in the middle east...any arab tribes there running around and beating up the others? and instilling their own culture by force?
__________

i guess if one wants to be consistent no nation has the right to exist since all have some base in forcing one culture upon another.....

and we do want to be consistent don't we?...ok maybe not,


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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 04:28 PM
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16. Supposedly, the UN charter was to result in the end of armed conquest...
when it declared in 1945 that territory could no longer be obtained by war.

Given that you think that neither Arabs nor Indians have an inherent entitlement to any territory, I presume that you are prepared to concede that likewise, the Jews have no inherent entitlement to Israel?

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