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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:11 PM Original message |
Meshal: Hamas backs state in '67 lines, right of return |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Right of return is a non-starter. It's just a catch phrase meaning, Destroy Israel. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You share the attitude of the Chinese regime towards Tibetans |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Exactly... and I am Jewish. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Right of return is a non-starter. It's just a catch phrase meaning, Destroy Israel. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Wow you can copy and paste your own posts |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Right of return will destroy Israel |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Then you are forced to admit that some human rights do not apply to all humans |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. But is right of return a basic human right? |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Well since you ask, what about Article 13 (2) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Legally, there's no answer to this one. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Corrections... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. But you do not mention Kosovo, Dafur, Iraq...where the West has insisted on refugee R.O.R rights... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Do you know of any western liberal democracy that will not allow anyone born in an area to return t |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. As far as I know, only Israel displays this degree of indifference to human suffering.......n/t |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Sure. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Italy?........And how about the US going to war to restore Kosovo refugees? |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Lawyers may dispute the meaning of Art 13, but the moral answer is surely clear? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Really? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Does Right of Return apply only to displaced indigenous people? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. You tell me - do they? Would you have a right to return to the home your family was forced from? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. That is my question to you - my answer is that (legally) I don't think I would |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I fully support the human right known as Right of Return |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I have a question... or 4. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Simple question, simple answer |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. That's actually incorrect, AFAIK |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Why the UNWRA refugee status, living in squalid camps, with assorted handouts and aid |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:33 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Answer... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. You are correct and I apologise nt |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No need for apologies n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. But let me ask you |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. You make a good point. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
55. Why such a big deal? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Israel's right to exist is a big deal |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Fatah has recognized Israel ? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Hey, what can I tell you? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. No not a trap at all |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I tend to agree. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. That is utter hogwash. Your rejectionist attitude is a nonstarter. At least you're honest. nt |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. There is no "Right of Return" |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. So all that talk about Iraq's violation of UNSCRs was for naught??? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. It made good propaganda. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
42. You're stating that the UN is irrelevant -- the UN created Israel |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
60. This is not true |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Thanks for that view. I have often . . |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Thanks |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Nice spin. |
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eyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Given that almost every other country in the world |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Right - UN resolutions are irrelevant only when you want them to be |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No. They're irrelevant all the time. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Ah, got it. UN resolutions are always irrelevant. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Do you want to deal rationally with my post or just put words in my mouth so that you can rant? nt |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. You actually expect a rational response to the statement that UN resolutions are always irrelevant? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yes. Why should I care what the UN says? nt |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
76. Because if the UN is irrelevant, then the Jews simply took Palestine by conquest -nt |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Except where Iran is involved... |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
62. Did I say that? nt |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. More corrections... |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. You mean the commission--the representatives of the |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Incorrect |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. You'll have to do better than that... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Can't destroy Israel militarily? Do it politically. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. So Israel is willing to talk to Hamas, but Hamas refuses to talk to Israel? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I think the idea is that Fatah is supposed to do the talking. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
36. Forget the legalistic talk. Does the state of Israel have a moral obligation to 700,000 refugees |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Do the Arab nations have a legal or moral obligation to the 850,000 Jews |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Yes |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Wrong, wrong and wrong again |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. "For the most part, Jews left because of unrest caused by violence, bombings of synagogues" |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Oh, so violence and bombings of synagogues |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Lets just go through this one more time... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Yes, of course........All refugees should have the right to return to the land where they were born. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
41. I think |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. I think there should be compensation given to the Palestinians |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I agree.....has Israel offered to compensate the Palestinian refugees? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Yes, Israel has. |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. You call that Israel making an an offer? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Is one contingent on the other? n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
67. Isn't what Meshal is stating the basic position of the vast majority of Palestinians? |
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