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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:44 PM
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Bush dances with the NRA devil
Bush dances with the NRA devil

ROBERT A. RICKER
GUEST COLUMNIST

Last summer I wrote in the July 23, 2003, issue of the Los Angeles Times that the GOP's overreliance on the National Rifle Association is a risky strategy that might pay off at election time unless the leaders in the Democratic Party "wise up -- and quickly."

As a former NRA executive and top lobbyist for the firearms industry, I knew the NRA could not be trusted when it promised it would go easy on vulnerable Democrats come election time if they would just support lawsuit immunity for the gun industry -- the gun lobby's top priority in Congress.

As it turned out, in April of this year, Senate Democrats and several moderate Republicans banded together to stop the gun lobby's immunity legislation by amending it with measures to renew the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and require criminal background checks on all gun sales at gun shows. This revolt by the Senate stunned the NRA. The immunity bill with the assault weapon ban and gun show provisions attached went down in flames 92 to 8.

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<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/176903_rickergun09.html>
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:48 PM
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1. A sick and twisted part of me almost wants
to see the AWB renewed because for it to be renewed, Bush would have to sign it. If Bush were to sign it, that would make almost all of the gun control passed in the last 30 years Republican. All the Democrats will have left is the Brady Bill and the Clinton Norinco ban.

I like pointing out to Republicans just how much of the recent gun control was given to us by Republicans. I like pointing out the same thing to people who support gun control, too. Bush renewing the AWB would only make that hobby more entertaining.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:59 PM
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3. 92 to 8 is the real support without the NRA fascists Bush and DeLay
Seems to me a much stronger AWB will eventually be passed.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:01 PM
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6. A stronger AWB?
Right. Maybe one that actually bans something.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:11 PM
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7. Cough Cough
92 to 8 was the vote on the sabotaged bill. The 8 was from your friends.

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:20 PM
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10. Only BushCheneyDeLay stands in the way of the AWB
"Now, because the assault weapon issue is front and center, tensions are boiling over within the NRA in a more public way. Diehard pro-gun advocates tend to be more libertarian than conservative, and many are organizing against Bush because of his position on assault weapons -- much to the dismay of LaPierre and other pragmatic NRA leaders. House Speaker Dennis Hastert has advised that if the president were to publicly call on Congress to pass the assault weapon renewal bill, it would happen. The NRA board of directors knows this and recently sent a ham-fisted message to Bush: no NRA presidential endorsement until after the assault weapons law expires in September. Bush knows that no recent Republican candidate for president has been elected without the NRA endorsement."

<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/176903_rickergun09.html>
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:47 PM
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11. What a great source...not.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 03:56 PM
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17. I'm glad somebody stands in its way.
Even they can be right sometimes.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:31 PM
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18. That article is misleading junk.
Edited on Fri Jun-11-04 11:34 PM by Zynx
AK-47's back in the streets?

Any AK-47's that were in the streets to start with certainly weren't banned by the bill.

New "American-made" Uzis and AK's? Uh, no American company is that stupid. You can't compete with all the Israeli and Communist surplus in any way, shape or form in terms of cost.

Propaganda.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:55 PM
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2. LOL!
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 10:59 PM by D__S
Robert Ricker... now there's a credible source. :eyes:
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:01 PM
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5. I guess really EVERYONE associated with the NRA is lying scum
even their lawyer.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:13 PM
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8. Do you even know who Robert A. Ricker is? n/t
n/t
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:17 PM
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9. Gun lobby whistleblower who used to be the NRA's attorney
"Firing Back "

For most of the past 20 years, Robert Ricker was a top lawyer for the NRA as well as the chief spokesman for the gun industry, which relied on him to argue the industry's position against gun control.

He also defended it against critics who blame the industry for the violence caused by guns.

That's why it came as such a surprise when he told Correspondent Ed Bradley that many of the things he said all those years weren't true.

What is true, Ricker says, is that gun manufacturers have long known that distributors and retailers supply thousands of guns each year to criminals, and yet gun makers deliberately look the other way."

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<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/09/60minutes/main553147.shtml>
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:50 PM
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12. You might want to research Mr. Ricker a little more before you...
...make him your hero.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 04:22 AM
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13. Any links? Anything that even touches on reality?
What's your beef with Ricker, that he was a whistleblower against the sacred gun industry?
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 08:22 AM
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14. You can do your own research if you like. You might just find...
...that you don't like the results. And yes, I like the man because after listening to him speak I suspect that he is still on the payroll of the NRA.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 03:37 PM
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15. You like him because he's still on the payroll of the NRA
But the Democratic candidate John Kerry is against the NRA. Strange Democrats down here in the gun ghetto. I'll have to check and see if he's on the infamous NRA enemies list.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 03:46 PM
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16. I really could not care any less that Kerry is against the NRA.
He would be against Jesus if it was politically expedient.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 11:00 PM
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4. Question.
When he dances is he doing this:

http://www.miniclip.com/dancingbush.htm

or this:

http://www.miniclip.com/unitedwedance.htm


Just thought I would ask.


:evilgrin:
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