You have no authority to challenge, let alone detain

[ProgressiveProfessor]

If you do it there is no good outcome for you...shot or homeless. Why would you persist in pushing such nonsense when the police clearly want you to call them and let them handle it.

Scenario: You walk up to me in my favorite local restaurant and say:

Hoyt: I think you are carrying a gun, please show me your papers.

PP places his cell phone on the table

PP: And you are?
Hoyt: A civilian who thinks people should not have guns in public
PP: That's nice, go away
Hoyt: I insist.
PP I am leaving
Hoyt: I require you to stay until the cops get here, I have already called them

Hoyt physically detains PP. Crowd starts to gather.
Cops arrive:

Hoyt: I think this man is carrying a gun. He refused to show me his paperwork. I made sure he stayed here until you got here.
Cop to PP: Are you?
PP: I am, left shoulder holster. My credentials are in my left hand

Cop looks at the credentials and nods.

Cop to PP: What is you side of things?
PP: This nut case came up to me and demanded to see my paperwork. I declined since he is a civilian. He then forced me to stay here and wait. Its all recorded on my smart phone. Here is the memory card.
Restaurant Owner: That is exactly what happened
Cop to Hoyt: Turn around you are under arrest.
PP waves for a coffee refill and calls his lawyer telling him there is a nice payday coming.

[Hoyt]

1. One does like in the OP -- calls police. If they arrive in time great. Then, you try to reason

with the gun toter -- which is obviously a losing proposition because the mere fact they carry a gun into a family restaurant shows they are irrational. You do your best to detain them, short of capturing the reprobate and opening yourself to charges by those who can't leave home without a gun. Then, you get their license number and any other identifying info. And, finally, you chase them down the street yelling at them for polluting society.

There's more.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. Hard for you to do in handcuffs...

1) Have you ever really spotted someone carrying concealed
2) Did you call the cops?
3) Did you try to restrain or delay them? (illegal harassment)
4) Did you actually make a disturbance (you can get arrested for that too)

Since many of the "toters" in your area are LEOs, all you are going to do is look stupid and shocked while cuffed.

[friendly_iconoclast]

4. They also tend to dislike false police reports, so there's that...

[Hoyt]

9. How much jail time can I get? SS ain't gonna cover room and board.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. Min 1 year for felonies, guess would be 10. Disbarred, loss of firearms and voting rights.

Fairly serious stuff for most of us.

[Hoyt]

13. That ought to be penalty for carrying guns in public.

[jmg257]

15. But it isn't is it? So save yourself some effort (and maybe some bruises),

and go yell at squirrels in the park. They like nuts!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

16. It can be if being carried illegally...legally there is not penalty

[friendly_iconoclast]

3. Hoyt, it took you less than 24 hours to change your tune.

You've gone from:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#471995

"...Further, every citizen should report anyone carrying a gun in public -- Maybe even hold them until police arrive...."

to:

"You do your best to detain them, short of capturing the reprobate and opening yourself to charges by those who can't leave home without a gun."

At this rate, your advice tomorrow will be:

"Every citizen should report anyone carrying a gun in public --then give them a dirty look while you're waiting for the cops to show up."

[ProgressiveProfessor]

5. He still will not admit it...

Metal or nylon, what would look best on him?

[oneshooter]

6. I tend to be more traditional, metal. n/t

[Hoyt]

8. You would.

[oneshooter]

14. I asked you a simple question in Post #58. I was polite and am really looking for an answer. n/t

[Hoyt]

7. Whatever it takes to slow proliferation of guns in public.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Have you considered a legal, liberal, and progressive approach instead of illegal actions?

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. It's not as if *you'll* do what you have advocated others do, is it?

In your quest for "Whatever it takes to slow proliferation of guns in public.", you are Mitt Romney. You expect others
to fight your war for you.

This is what you proposed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#471995

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#472294

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#472316

During this thread, you mentioned that guns had been pulled you.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#472290


Naturally enough, you were asked if you had taken the actions you have repeatedly advocated- asked not once, but
three times:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#472301

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#472189

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#472319


The silence was deafening. You, sir, are all wind and no windmill.

But you may still redeem yourself- by practicing what you preach. In all candor, I doubt you will.
You might surprise us- stranger things have happened. And if you do, and get nabbed for assault, kidnapping
and/or filing a false police report for harassing someone carrying a gun, I will donate $100 in your name to the Brady Camapign,
or your defense fund, as you prefer.

You would have to post the date, time, place, arresting authority and case number here at DU. Remember, Hoyt, this applies only
to you. Frankly, I don't expect be out the Benjamin, but we'll see, won't we?