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IamK Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:15 PM
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NYC - 31 people shot citywide in 48 hours
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bulletfest_in_big_apple_byw44m9cllNj7rhDXYEDXK

gun control works... it would have been worse I guess....

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:33 PM
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1. Gee, don't miss the opportunity to peddle more guns....
Which should make things much better.
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:16 AM
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22. Who's peddling guns?
Forbidden item in NYC.

No opportunity for self defense.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:20 AM
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23. No one
They just fall out of the sky.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:27 AM
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24. You think they
just go in a gun store in NY? Going across state lines has been against two current federal gun laws.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:38 PM
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2. How many of those shot
could have defended themselves with a gun? How many were criminals doing criminal shit? How many of the shooters wouldn't have tried it at all if they thought the shootee could shoot back?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:46 PM
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5. A desperado isn't accessing the odds of being shot ,more armed people
will make more dead people.All the criminals were doing all the criminal shit.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:57 PM
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9. Actually, DOJ interviews with inmates show criminals fear armed victims more than police. n/t
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:40 PM
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14. "More armed people will mean more dead people" Not in the US in recent years. n/t
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:47 PM
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26. Where in Texas?? N/T
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:24 PM
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21. Desperados arent bulletproof.
And they know it. That's because they are living organisms with an innate sense of self preservation.

Getting shot hurts. Getting medical treatement requires the attending physician to notify the authorities in the event of a gunshot wound. A GSW at a hospital will prompt all sorts and kinds of uncomfortable questions that an incapacitated desperado would like very much to avoid.

You can be sure the desperadoes are aware of that fact.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:51 PM
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27. And there not as introspective as you give them credit ,Desperate people
don't think of the consequences of their actions ,because their Desperate.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:07 PM
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28. One need not be
at peace with one's self to want to avoid having holes punched on them.

Your condescension is palpable. Don't infantilize people because they're criminals. If someone is truly that much of a berzerker all the more reason to use a gun to stop them.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:49 PM
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32. Your right about my lack of respect for the maturity of a criminals ,it's ignorant
I'm told ,your right.But I still know the numbers show our country has the most ,wars excluded ,Deaths accidental and intentional due to firearms in the world.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:23 PM
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33. Of course.
We are a violent people. Our national identity was forged in war and oiled with wealth. We a are a great lumbering imperielist power. And we have more guns than anyone.

But the guns do not define us or impel us to be who we are. I think it is unwise to ascribe to them more symbolic power than they deserve.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:11 PM
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29. Not all criminals are Jean Veljean, either.
They may be miserable, but that doesn't make them Les Misérables.

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:35 PM
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30. Got me there ,Good one!!!
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:39 PM
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31. MOST criminals...
are far less Jean Valjean and more like J. Random Crackhead. They simply do not wish to live by the rules of society, preferring to steal, rape, kill, whatever to get what they want.

For every pathetic criminal who only stole some bread to feed his family, you've got thousands who killed to get a pair of shoes, or raped for the hell of it, or stole because they didn't want to pay for it.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:40 PM
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3.  Acually they are improving! Last report was 24 in 24hours, now 31 in 48hrs. n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:47 PM
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6. Did they fail to factor in the holiday?
:shrug:
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:46 PM
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4. You may be too young to remember this,
but there are 8 million stories in the Naked City.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:24 PM
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11. Kojack? nt
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:39 PM
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13. Naked City- a great movie and TV show. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:00 PM
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16. Yup. I remember that program on TV. (n/t)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 01:40 PM
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25. I believe that was where I first heard of a .357 "that could penetrate a motor block!" nt
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:25 PM
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12. and this has been one of them..............
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:51 PM
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7. And nearly every comment to the article in stupid.
Amazing amount of ignorance and hate.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 08:54 PM
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8.  Ignorance and Hate? Where? n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:08 PM
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10. Ignorance, as in using incorrect words?
"....article in stupid"
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:48 PM
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15. That cannot be true. NY has very strict gun laws. Your information must be wrong!
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:06 PM
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19. That's right. Only the rich, the famous and the well connected can legally own firearms ...
in the Big Apple.

If only the rest of the nation had the same laws as New York City the rich and powerful could live in a paradise that would resemble the old feudal society that existed in the middle ages.

That's exactly what the founding fathers dreamed off.




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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:21 PM
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20. So true! N-t
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:05 PM
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17. And that's why I don't live in NYC
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:05 PM
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18. time to ban gunshows in Virginia...
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 05:33 PM
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34. they never say how many had conceal carry permits. and the circumstances, this is the first with
some info..

i lived in Nopomo, they had a terrible gun and gang problem. for a month they played a series of videos about, "don't use a gun" "if you show a gun in a confrontation the police will shoot you dead with no warning.!!" the next couple months removed quite a few Darwin Award candidates, but then the gun slinging faded away and things quieted down.

just like when Beaverton passed the law that anyone committing a crime in or about a car would lose the car, even if borrowed, and go to jail, crime vanished, the hookers and drug dealers had to go to Portland to make a living.
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