Feinstein & Schumer say Mexican LEO's need your name and home address.

[Tejas]

http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=NewsRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=8a7bfcd5-5056-8059-76fa-8dece24f4615

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Chairman of the Senate Caucus on International Narcotics Control, along with Senators Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) today released the findings of a Congressional investigation that concludes American military-style weapons are arming Mexico’s brutal drug trafficking organizations at an alarming rate and policymakers are not adequately responding.

snip



Conclusions of the report:
(note, they're called recommendations in the PDF....agendas, how do they work?)

It will be very difficult to successfully reduce drug-related violence in Mexico without starving the country’s drug trafficking organizations of their military-style weapons.

To do this, the United States must strengthen current firearms laws and regulations. This can be done through a number of key actions by the Obama Administration and Congress, including:

1.Enactment of legislation to close the gun show loophole;

2.Better enforcement of the existing ban on imports of military-style weapons;

3.Reinstatement of the expired Assault Weapons Ban;

4.Reporting by Federal Firearms Licensees on all multiple firearms sales; and

5.Senate ratification of the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking of Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials (CIFTA).






Odd how the PDF contains a "Conclusion #6", but it is omitted from the webpage:

6. Expand access of eTrace to include the Mexican federal police.


Looks to be a convenient avenue for Mexican officials to obtain names, addresses, etc of US gunowners.

Fascism, how does it work?

[LAGC]

1. Yeah, like the Mexican police is free from corruption.

Who knows whose hands that information might land?

:scared:

[gejohnston]

3. isn't etrace

a way to verify SSNs workers give to US employers to see if it is a real number? Or am I thinking of something else?

[LAGC]

5. Could be, I'm not sure.

I'm sure many prospective illegal immigrants would love to get their hands on that kind of information though, if that is the case.

[one-eyed fat man]

31. You are thinking of something else,

E-Verify is an Internet-based system that allows businesses to determine the eligibility of their employees to work in the United States. ...

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=4ee4be0cbcf90110VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=2411c9ee2f82b010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

eTrace (Electronic Tracing System)is an internet-based system that allows participating law enforcement agencies to submit firearm traces to the ATF

https://www.atfonline.gov/etrace/

[Tejas]

12. Bad enough that the Mexican AG already has access.

But I'm sure he can be trusted!

[valerief]

2. We're a colony of Mexico. Only more corrupt. nt

[sharesunited]

4. Could you elucidate a little more clearly why posting your name and address publicly is bad?

Why do you think I don't have a right to know about what weapons you possess?

Such a public record should be visible to anyone. What in particular bothers you about the Federales seeing a list which anyone in the world should be able to see?

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. Set an example for us, Shares. Post your name and address here.

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

Right?

[sharesunited]

13. Is your car registration public?

[Hoopla Phil]

Only if it is driven on public roads. But we digress. I think you were going to post your name and

address and phone number here on this public forum as an example, right?

[sharesunited]

22. If you wanted to burn rubbish, would your name and address appear on a list of permittees?

[Hoopla Phil]

27. Artful dodge. Car registrations are only public if they're driven on public roads. But please

show us by example and post your name address and phone number here. We are just waiting on your measure of "gumption". I believe however, the measure will be a bit short.

[sharesunited]

30. I don't own a gun, Phil. I wouldn't appear on the list.

[Hoopla Phil]

35. Still waiting. . .

Hypocrisy much?

[eqfan592]

36. Oh, but you may own one someday!

Better safe than sorry, right shares? May as well make sure all your private info is freely available to everybody. We'll start with your SSN...

[sharesunited]

39. The day I want to own one is the day I regard my appearance on the list to be a just public price.

[eqfan592]

41. Nope, not good enough.

Either put up or shut up, shares. You opened this can, now you deal with it.

[sharesunited]

44. At the very least you are custodian of a public trust.

If firearms are to be regarded as safely, wisely, unconcernedly tolerated with you.

Don't you think the name and address of a custodian of the public trust should be public?

[eqfan592]

46. Nope.

But since you do, we're still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

[Name removed]

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[eqfan592]

53. Excuse me?

Are you saying that by owning a firearm that I am not leading a law abiding life, and that somehow I have a prerogative to "go postal?" Seriously?

That's pretty disturbed on a lot of levels, shares. Also, even in your wildest gun control fantasy you would not be able to shut down the black market trade of firearms, thus even you could snap and "go postal" at any given time. So yeah, you once again fail on every single level possible.

[friendly_iconoclast]

56. Ah, but you own and operate a computer. You might be a criminal hacker, for all we know.

All your denunciations of child poronography might just be a ruse to divert attention from yourself.

You might be a fugitive from justice- you could be Whitey Bulger or Joanne Chesimard.

Anyway, there's no way for us to tell. Since you trust the powers-that-be:


It's best you do what a good Ger-, err, citizen would do and pack up all your records, paper and electronic,

and offer them up to the Department(s) of Justice and/or Homeland Security for copying.


After all, that's what you want us to do. You go first.

[sharesunited]

59. We'll go together, according to statute.

[Hoopla Phil]

68. Um, you lead by example and please, go first. Somehow I doubt that you will

yup

[gejohnston]

43. not where I live

[Tuesday Afternoon]

78. not in my county, no.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. Not in Massachusetts. But then again, I don't need the approval of the chief of police to buy a car.

-1 for analogy fail.

[sharesunited]

23. You do need someone's approval to drive it, don't you. And they want your name and address.

[Hoopla Phil]

29. "You do need someone's approval to drive it, don't you. " Only if driven on

public roads. Still waiting on your fine example. . . .

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. Only by passing objective tests- not by the RMV checking my political reliability,

, as is the case with firearms in too many towns and cities in Massachusetts.

[gejohnston]

49. political reliability?

I don't get it, I don't live in Mass.

[eqfan592]

51. I think Mass. is a may issue state.

If so, then it is likely difficult for many to get a CCW permit without the proper connections.

[friendly_iconoclast]

52. +1. Unfortunately, you are correct.

We'll see what we can do about that...

[Straw Man]

66. Driver records are only semi-public.

Available to law enforcement, insurance companies, and third parties who can prove a legitimate need to know. In the latter case, info like SS# and home address is redacted.

[gejohnston]

25. no

Nor is your drivers license. There was one state that did until a stalker found his target's address that way. Can't remember the state or the celebrity victim off hand.

[sharesunited]

26. Was the stalker Constitutionally carrying?

[gejohnston]

34. If I remember right, he did not use a gun

but that was a long time ago.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. California, and it the victim was actress Rebecca Schaeffer.

But we can trust the Sinaloa Cart-errr, the Mexican government with the same information.

[sharesunited]

38. I remember her killing. She was shot in the chest with a handgun.

[eqfan592]

42. And if she had been stabbed...

...it would have been a morally superior crime, right shares?

[sharesunited]

45. She wasn't stabbed. She was shot.

Chosen for convenience and some delusion of getting away with murder.

A common motivation for gun crime, no doubt.

[eqfan592]

47. Yes, but your implication...

..that somehow the crime would have not taken place had he not had a firearm is not defensible. End of story.

[sharesunited]

48. It wouldn't have. By virtue of the means chosen. And the means were too easily obtained.

[eqfan592]

54. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yep, you really have gone off the deep end, and this post proves it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. The ghost of Julius Caesar might disagree with you, shares.

Shakespeare got it wrong, in shares universe:

Big Julie was whacked in a driveby!

[Tejas]

8. sure, post your home phone and address, someone will call/drop by.

with answers to any questions you might have.

Comprende MS13 amigo?

[friendly_iconoclast]

I suspect our friend wishes to serve us a dish he does not care to eat.

Then again, he might surprise us...

[sharesunited]

14. Is the deed to your house public record?

[Tejas]

16. quit stalling, Calderon is getting itchy!

[Hoopla Phil]

19. Still waiting on you to post your info as an example. . .

[tortoise1956]

84. Why yes it is...

here in Clark County, Nevada. And unfortunately, that info was used by scammers trying to get money from a dear friend whose husband just died.

So count me out of the whole public record thing.

[sharesunited]

15. Is there a public record of any police, fire or other responder to your house?

[Tejas]

still stalling eh?

Come on, practice what you preach.

[Hoopla Phil]

21. Still waiting. . .

hypocrisy much?

[palmtree guy]

63. he is from illinois

he has not a damn clue about what happens here on the border, he hasn't the foggiest notion of what the Mexican government is REALLY like!!

[Katya Mullethov]

82. That will change , soon enough

For some at least . Ya hear the gladiator story yet ? Insane , tin hattery 10 years ago , completely plausible now .

[palmtree guy]

83. I did indeed

I live in the southern most tip of Tx, about an hour, hour and a half from where the big narcofosa was found in San Fernando, whats funny is, I get people from up north telling me all the time that nothing is really happening that all these articles are just stories made up to further the war on drugs.....I see what comes through the tree farm at night, I don't believe Janet OR Obama when they tell me the border is safer than it has ever been!!

[Katya Mullethov]

85. More wacky hijinks !

Those two sure end up in some zany adventures don't they ? I am of the opinion we will see yet another successful spin off from the War On Some Drugs , as they have no intention of slacking off . It is unfortunate , but exactly the kind of innovative thinking that is driving.... our national ....economic ....recovery .

[rrneck]

9. Simple.

It's none of your goddamn business.

[LAGC]

10. What if gun owners started putting up one of these signs instead?

[eqfan592]

11. How about this, shares...

...if you think it's such a great idea, then post your unedited internet history daily to an open forum. I mean, if you have nothing to hide, what is there to worry about?

Seriously, your fascist tendencies are startling from somebody on a democratic forum.

[PavePusher]

18. Please post your real name, address, and a list of all books, newspapers, electronic media...

and computer programs that you have.

Surely anyone in the world should be able to see this, amIrite?

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. Don't forget all email addresses and copies of your various address books

Like I said: If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

[Hoopla Phil]

33. "copies of your various address books" Wouldn't THAT be something to see. . .n/t

[TPaine7]

20. Because you don't have a right to information about anyone's possessions,

unless, of course, they are openly displayed?

What makes you think I don't have a right to information on your non- gun possessions?

Wow! You've outdone yourself.

[gejohnston]

32. No you don't have a the right

and neither does a corrupt federal police force of a foreign country.

[Tejas]

37. I can think of the female parole officer that was tracked down by

a parollee. That debacle was a result of publishing personal info, article was posted here at the DU.

[ileus]

55. Could you explain a little more clearly why you need my name and address?

Why do you think you have a right to know about what firearms, or anything else I possess?

There should be no such record much less a publicly visible one. Why would Federales need a list of legal gun owners in another country?

[spin]

61. If you owned a large quantity of gold and stored it in your safe ...

would you want your name and address to be available to the Federales?

It is possible that the database could be hacked and sold to criminals who might break into your home to steal your treasure. Or a corrupt official might sell that info to the criminal element.

Why should everyone in the world be able to see that I own firearms and what type I own? Firearms are a valuable item just as a gold coin is.

You can have the best gun safe made and given time a professional criminal can break into it.

[AtheistCrusader]

71. You have no right to know fuck-all of what's inside my home.

Not in my bedroom. Not in my gun safe. Not in my fridge.

Pound sand.

[krispos42]

73. For the same reason having a list of women who have had abortions is bad

Or do you think you have a right to know?

[lawodevolution]

6. "Fascism, how does it work?". Ask supporters like Jpak, Hoyt or sharesunited

[friendly_iconoclast]

58. Oh, yeah, I'd love for the Sinaloa Cartel to have this information. NOT n/t

[russ1943]

60. Bullshit OP

The June 2011 report HALTING U.S. FIREARMS TRAFFICKING TO MEXICO

http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Files.View&FileStore_id=beaff893-63c1-4941-9903-67a0dc739b9d

Referenced, offers a group of six Findings & Recommendations on pages 3, 4 & 5.
The five actual “conclusions” of the report are separate and are at the end of the report (page 17 of the pdf), they deal with what the report’s authors believe the US Government could do through action by the Obama administration and the US Congress. You have copied the “conclusions” from page 17 (which there are only five 5 ) and then added one of the recommendations from page 5 and then you complain about agendas and fascism.

C’mon.

On page 17 the explanation for why is included in your post. The “conclusions” are the measures the report’s authors think the Obama Administration and Congress should do while the Findings and Recommendations # 6 is something the US can only encourage the
Government of Mexico do (to grant this expanded access).

Distortion laden OP.

[Tejas]

74. Not my intent, but since you mentioned it,

What is keeping any Mexican LEO besides the their AG from using Etrace at the moment?

[RSillsbee]

62. And folks wonder why I buy my guns off paper NT

[palmtree guy]

64. ohhhh nooess111111111

you dont buy the evil black ones with the thingy that goes up do you?? :)

[RSillsbee]

67. Actually no, I like wood

Too many years spent sitting outside an arms room cleaning the evil black ones

[PavePusher]

69. I like wood too....

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDsite/IWDAR15.html

Let the tasteless jokes commence.... sigh.

[RSillsbee]

70. That actually is quite a nice looking weapon

But I was thoroughly indoctrinated against ARs many, many moons ago.

Here is something I wrote on the topic along time ago on a forum far far away

My dislike of ARs is purely psychological

Two of the rifles I was issued were Colt's I saw no difference between them and the Harrington Richard's I was issued at Ft. Carson.

I had 2 A-1s ( full auto) and 3 A-2s ( three round burst)

Never had any reliability issues W/ any of them. Obviously the price was right and the Ammunition was free as well.

The problem was every time I got to shoot one it meant I had to lose sleep ( & maybe my day off) get up in the middle of the night, ride halfway across Germany ( or Fort Lewis, or Fort Carson or Fort Sill) usually in a snow storm or a rainstorm. get to the range at 4 am and wait till 9 for range control to get done W/ PT and open the range ( did I mention the rain and snow) Eat a nasty MRE for breakfast , a NASTIER MRE for lunch and suck it up for dinner. spend at least 12 hours on the range ( not counting drive time) to shoot 49 rounds usually in a foxhole full of mud & the occasional rattlesnake and climb back in the Deuce & a half ( did I mention the rain & snow ) to arrive at the barrack ( usually right after taps) just in time to spend 2 hours waiting for the arms room to open up ( for what that was worth ) and the rest of the night scrubbing that GD M-16. If I never shoot one again it'll be too soon.

TYPO

[PavePusher]

76. Heh, yeah I can easily see that as some serious negative feedback conditioning.

Oh well, plenty of different models for all of us to find a favored niche.

[spin]

65. Of course the Mexican government would love to see Americans disarmed ...

that way the corrupt Mexican officials would enable the Mexican drug gangs to better set up operations inside our nation and wreck havoc as they have in Mexico. This might greatly increase the income the "dirty" officials receive as the cartels would greatly appreciate their efforts.

Cartel corruption reaches into the ranks of U.S. border agents, officials say
June 13, 2011

Mexican drug cartels are increasingly luring U.S. border agents into smuggling operations with offers of cash and sex, authorities acknowledged in Washington last week.

Top officials in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security told a Senate subcommittee during a hearing on Thursday that Mexican drug-trafficking organizations are attempting to generate "systematic corruption" among the ranks of U.S. customs and border patrol agents, forcing the agency to open hundreds of internal investigations on employees.

Charles Edwards, acting inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security, told the subcommittee that corruption on the border has taken the form of "cash bribes, sexual favors, and other gratuities in return for allowing contraband or undocumented aliens through primary inspection lanes or even protecting or escorting border crossings," according to a transcript of the official's testimony.

Since 2004, authorities have made 127 arrests or indictments against border employees for acts of corruption "including drug smuggling, alien smuggling, money laundering, and conspiracy," said Alan Bersin, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection commissioner.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2011/06/border-customs-hearing-corruption-agents.html?track=rss

Some honest Mexican officials have reached the point that they can see the value in honest Mexican citizens being able to own firearms.

7 killed in attacks in Mexican resort of Acapulco
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20110531/ap_tr_ge/lt_travel_brief_drug_war_mexico

ACAPULCO, Mexico – Shootings and attacks in Mexico's Pacific coast resort of Acapulco left two police officers, three suspected drug cartel gunmen and two other men dead, police said Monday.

The confrontations on Sunday began when gunmen traveling in a convoy of eight vehicles opened fire on an Acapulco municipal police patrol car Sunday, killing two officers.

***snip***

Ramon Almonte, the Guerrero state police chief, said on Monday he will ask the federal congress to make it easier for common citizens to get permits for weapons to defend themselves.

***snip***

"Having a weapon should be a right, because the bad guys are few and we, the good guys, are many, so we can't allow ourselves to be held hostage by the few," Almonte said. emphasis added
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20110531/ap_tr_ge/lt_travel_brief_drug_war_mexico

[krispos42]

72. "3.Reinstatement of the expired Assault Weapons Ban"

Yeah! That's the ticket! Let them buy their semi-automatic rifles without the evil protruding pistol grips or folding stocks! That'll stop'em!



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FUCK!!!!!

[disidoro01]

75. Two larger problems for me.

One, information is starting to show that our government is complicit in moving guns to and over the mexican border. The government agencies involved in this don't abide by laws and further restricting our rights will not decrease that flow.

Two, A foreign nation has no right or authority to get information on american citizens who are living in america. I believe it would decrease the safety of people because of the corruption in the mexican government.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

77. re: Mexican LEO's need your name and home address.

They can get in line behind the Nigerians looking for the info.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

79. all three of them can kiss my ass.

[Katya Mullethov]

80. Maybe it's just me

But given this apparent Hail Mary press release from Feinstein, Schumer, and crew, the "full panic mode" description of DOJ's response to the Issa/Grassley hearings appears to be an apt one. Feinstein and Schumer have spent their political careers trying to gain new powers for ATF. Now they have to stand by and watch while the mere existence of ATF, as we know it today, hangs in the balance.

The timing of their proposal for more gun control only underscores their apparent sense that Issa/Grassley are going to rock their world, and their proposal appears to be a lame attempt to subvert/derail/co-opt the reform process. Going all Alice in Wonderland trying to blame Congress and legitimate firearms commerce for the problems in Mexico is absurd when Project Gunwalker/Fast and Furious have already captured the headlines.

But then , I'm funny like that .

[PavePusher]

81. Heresy! A Witch, she must be a Witch! n/t