Please critique this article on gun confiscation by the Nazis

[steve2470]

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/registration_article/registration.html

To me, if it's accurate, it gives me one of the best reasons to own firearms. Thank you for your time.

[lawodevolution]

1. it is a fantastic reason to own firearms. Keep them locked up in safes if you can.

[FreakinDJ]

2. Same thing happened in Eastern Block Countries too

As the Soviet Union absorbed them

[shadowrider]

3. You betcha

It's relatively easy to slaughter a population if they can't fight back.

Of course, they could practice personal self-defense techniques (as suggested by another poster).

[FreakinDJ]

5. Honestly - I am opposed to Assualt Weapons

I am primarily a sportsman's/2nd amendment advocate

I have no respect for Person's/Companies willing to flirt with gun laws seeking to own/manufacture assault style weapons.

[shadowrider]

6. Fair enough. What's your definition of an "assault style weapon"??

Just curious.

[FreakinDJ]

7. The weapons I saw in overseas

AK-47 / M-16 and the variations there of

Additionally I believe the .50 cal and it's potential for abuse threatens the Gun Rights of all gun owners

However I do like Black Powder Cannons

[shadowrider]

8. And those weapons have very little, if anything, to do

with daily crime, unless it's a gang driveby.

[bossy22]

10. i think those are still done primarily with handguns

IIRC correctly the number of murders with rifles of all types was about 400 in 2009.

[safeinOhio]

12. That is right, more than 80% of all gun

crimes involve handguns. Also, in an armed revolt, handguns would be of little use against squads of Marines and Blackhawks. I am totally against registration of long guns. On the other hand, being stuck up by some street thug with an unregistered handgun is a problem. As a sane, law abiding citizen I have no problem with registration of handguns. Besides, if the government wanted take away guns to suppress a revolution, all they have to do go after registered members of the NRA.

[Glassunion]

17. I disagree with 2 points in your post.

We both know that I disagree with your position on the registration of handguns. But I think both you and I have beat that one to death several times. So we can agree to disagree?

But where you stated: "Also, in an armed revolt, handguns would be of little use against squads of Marines and Blackhawks."
There is a good book you should take a look at... http://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-Warsaw-Ghetto-Fighter-Kazik/dp/0300093764

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising showed that Jews with only a few pistols could stop deportations, resist German troops, and escape to join the resistance in the forest. During the ghetto uprising, Joseph Goebbels had to put a hell of a spin on it. From his diary: "The Jews have actually succeeded in making a defensive position of the Ghetto. Heavy engagements are being fought there . . . . It shows what is to be expected of the Jews when they are in possession of arms."

No sane person would go headlong into a fight against, storm troopers, half tracks, tanks, Marines or Blackhawks. But to say that handguns would be of little use, I don't feel is 100% accurate.

[safeinOhio]

23. Thanks for the civil response.

I would point out what the same resistance would have done with semi-auto long guns. With my suggestion of not allowing registration of long guns, those would not have been taken or even know about.

Personally, I'm not as concerned about that happening here and think it a very remote possibility. The possibility of a hidden handgun used in a criminal act against citizens by criminals and unstable individuals is very real to me.

[beevul]

27. How would that work, exactly?

"Besides, if the government wanted take away guns to suppress a revolution, all they have to do go after registered members of the NRA"

How would that work exactly? Does the nra keep lists of what its members own?

The nra represents 4 million members.

There are 80 million gun owners.

How would they go about going after the other 76 million gun owners? Or know who and how many guns they own?

[YllwFvr]

29. registered NRA members

make up about 5-10% of gun owners.

[beevul]

26. Does it make any difference to your view...

Does it make any difference to your view, or does your view take into account, that "assault style weapons" as much as the term can be applied to civilian legal rifles in America...are strictly semi-automatic weapons that LOOK military but do not function militarily?

"Additionally I believe the .50 cal and it's potential for abuse threatens the Gun Rights of all gun owners"

Please elaborate. I would think its cost precludes much of any real potential for significant abuse.

[bossy22]

9. assault style weapons

why does the style matter? I own a "sport styled" honda accord- but that does not mean my car is a sports car or some how significantly faster than other coupes in its class.

why is this "assault style weapon" so dangerous


but this standard stock rifle considered okay


both fire .223, both are semi-auto with similar rates of fire, both accept detachable box magazines

Now there are few logical ways to go with this. We can say that both should be banned- but than that takes you to the point of banning all semi-auto rifles and instituting european style controls on long guns. This would only allow bolt actions which are poor for defense and only good for sporting purposes. The other way is to say that both should be banned because the calibre of the weapon is military in nature therefore too powerful. This would force us to ban almost all rifle calibres that are used for hunting and sport shooting.

the problem is that there is no black and white when it comes to this issue.

[RSillsbee]

11. The second amendment

has absolutely nothing to do with sporting arms

[safeinOhio]

13. It and the latest SC decisions

also have nothing to do with registration of handguns.

[RSillsbee]

21. Why do you follow me around

whining about handgun registration?

[safeinOhio]

22. I do worry about

paranoid gun owners that think others are following them. Perhaps mandatory mental health exams are a good idea.

[RSillsbee]

24. I'd be more worried

About authoritarian antis who purport to be pro RKBA but solidly support every tenet of the Republican led Brady Campaign

[safeinOhio]

25. I fear nothing, I only have concern for

anti authoritarian types like the militias, glen beck crazies and other unbalanced individuals. I'm not the paranoid type.


How to overcome your fear of authority

http://www.ehow.com/how_7289242_overcome-fear-authority.html

[beevul]

28. Registering handguns...

Registering handguns, or some guns, or all guns, is unlawful at the federal level, per the firearm owner protection act.

[lawodevolution]

15. It would be petty for a basketball fan to want to ban hockey

"Honestly - I am opposed to Assualt Weapons"
Posted by FreakinDJ


Just like it is petty for you to enjoy your guns but maintain a desire to ban my guns which are used less often than your type of gun in crime.

[guitar man]

4. Eh , don't sweat it

That could never happen here in this day and age.

:sarcasm:

[Euromutt]

14. It's less than entirely honest in what it does NOT say

The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.

The 1928 Weapons Law actually loosened restrictions, in that it permitted private citizens to possess firearms at all, which had previously been prohibited under the terms of the Versailles Treaty. The Nazi Waffengesetz of 1938 was a mixed bag in that it loosened restrictions on private firearms ownership for those deemed politically reliable (and in effect completely eliminated them for card-carrying members of the Nazi party), but entirely prohibited the possession of deadly weapons by Jews and other "undesirables."

The article also places too much emphasis on the distribution of weapons among the Swiss in--it is suggested--deterring a Nazi invasion. The fact is that the Nazis didn't have to invade Switzerland, because Switzerland was perfectly willing to provide them with what they wanted, particularly banking services. And handing Steve McQueen right back.

It is, however, true enough that pre-war restrictions on private firearms ownership (mostly imposed to prevent communists and/or other leftists from overthrowing the government) made resistance to Nazi occupation more difficult.

[Glassunion]

18. Very true...

Reich Minister Frick:

"The Reich Minister of the Interior is of the opinion that the Weapons Law should be amended in its entirety only after the German people has been permeated with the National Socialist ideas to the degree that we no longer have to fear extensive armed riots of enemies of the people and the state.

Certain relaxations would be possible, however, as long as “enemies of the people and the state and other elements endangering public security shall not possess any firearms. To achieve that goal, the draft grants the police the authority to prohibitsuch persons from acquiring, possessing and carrying such firearms.” So as to leave no mistake, a section-by-section analysis stated: “If these provisions guarantee that no enemies of the National Socialist state possess any weapons, then it is justifiable and appropriate to relax the current limiting provisions
of the Weapons Law for the population faithful to the state.” In determining who may not possess firearms, “the perpetrator’s prior conduct will have to be investigated thoroughly, in particular also with regard to his political activity.” Further, the law would be “aimed at professional criminals in addition to enemies of the National-Socialist state."

[Hoopla Phil]

16. k and r

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Inaccurate, misdirection.

The jews were not 'disarmed' by the nazis. EVERYONE was disarmed by the Weimar republic. The Nazi's actually 'relaxed' gun laws for everyone BUT the jews. So no, there wasn't much in the way of registration to help confiscate things.

And if you look very carefully, note the word 'occupied' in some of the documents about confiscation. They are talking about the eastern front, up to the point they were within spitting distance of Moscow. They were disarming the people they had conquered. Not german citizens.

[Glassunion]

20. To a point yes...

"The Nazi's actually 'relaxed' gun laws for everyone BUT the jews" yes they did, however, there were also gypsies and non-party members.

The rest is spot on.