Oklahoma governor vetoes open carry handgun bill

[fl_dem]

Source: NewsOK

Gov. Brad Henry has vetoed legislation that would have allowed Oklahomans to wear handguns in public view.

Henry vetoed the measure on Friday. The governor also vetoed legislation that would have prohibited Oklahoma from following the new federal health care law and authorized the Legislature to file a lawsuit over the issue.


Read more: http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-governor-vetoes-open-carry-handgun-bill/article/3461333

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OK Senators tried but failed to override the veto.

[RoyGBiv]

1. We are so fucked when he's gone ...

I don't see a Democrat on the horizon who can work the very bizarre creature that is Oklahoma politics the way he can.

[fl_dem]

2. I am afraid so.

I sure wish those OK senators would have failed to override that ridiculous abortion law. I was begining to wonder if Henry had any real power there at all.

[RoyGBiv]

3. It has eroded since 2006 ...

This just happens to coincide with an up-tick in the shrill anti-Democratic rhetoric on local news.

Kelly Ogle, for example, needs to be ... well, things need to happen to him. Channel 9 in OKC just today is running a piece on the Tea Party movement that paints them all as soccer moms. It actually begins with the factoid that in Oklahoma, the majority of Tea Party members are women. (No idea if that's true, just what the news blurb says.)

[depakid]

10. A sterling example of how America's problems over the past 25 years stem from its deregulated media

One of the biggest contrasts you'll see between the nut places, and saner parts of the nation (and especially, other nations of the world).

[friendly_iconoclast]

47. "Used to be, the sun never set on the (British) Empire, Now...

...the sun never sets on people complaining about Americans."

Don't you have a backward state of your own (<cough>, <cough>,**Queensland**, ahem) to tend to? And what country is
that Murdoch lot from, again?

[GreenStormCloud]

52. So you want a government bureaucrat to tell the media what they are to say?

That sounds a lot like censorship to me. Freedom is often messy, but I prefer it to the order of tyranny.

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[proteus_lives]

12. Disagree

I know plenty of people who open-carry. They're not trying to intimidate anyone.

[jpak]

18. So why do they open carry? To make a point - they are armed with a lethal weapon

and that is intimidation

yup!

[PavePusher]

27. Please, ensure you never carry books openly, in public.

You're just trying to intimidate everyone.




When I open carry, the only people who need be wary are criminals. If you intend no harm to me or others around me, you are in no danger.

[proteus_lives]

32. Oh, you have had conversations with them too?

No, I guess you haven't.

There are lots of reasons to open-carry.

[demosincebirth]

21. Whats the purpose of carrying an unloaded gun in public...to look macho?

[X_Digger]

22. Why do you assume unloaded? n/t

[demosincebirth]

25. ...or loaded?

[X_Digger]

26. An unloaded gun is a clumsy nutcracker. n/t

[NewMoonTherian]

34. To answer you question,

the purpose of carrying a loaded gun is to have access to a lethal weapon, in the event you need to kill someone. Thieves, rapists and other such criminals often carry various lethal weapons for the purpose of victimizing others. Honest people carry weapons in order to defend themselves against these criminals. The frequency of these situations varies depending on whom you trust to report the figure, but they are very often not reported on, in the news or in statistics, because the would-be victims never call the police.

There are several reasons for openly carrying a loaded gun. It becomes easier to access the gun under duress(concealed carry often makes it difficult to reach and draw the weapon, and it takes longer. The seconds or fractions of a second that can be saved by open carry are crucial in many situation). Secondly, it intimidates potential attackers, deterring them from attacking the armed person or even attacking other people in the presence of the armed person.

Openly carrying an unloaded gun, obviously, prevents effective self-defense, but still provides intimidation. In states that only allow unloaded open carry, this is less effective, because criminals can be fairly sure the gun is unloaded.

People often say that openly carrying a gun intimidates innocent people as well, and I recognize that this is possible, but the fear is unfounded. People licensed to carry handguns are, historically, FAR less violent that the general public. Some states allow open carry by unlicensed people, but this Oklahoma law would not.

[oneshooter]

41. He is in California, open carry there is unloaded only. n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

23. In Oklahoma, those openly carried guns would have been loaded.

The bill had several purposes. It was to provide legal cover in case a CCW permit holder's gun was accidentally revealed.

Another purpose was that some people believe that the sight of a citizen with a gun strongly discourages criminals from committing a violent crime in the presence of the armed person. Certainly they are hesitant to attack that person. Personally, even if Texas had open carry, I would carry concealed.

[proteus_lives]

33. None of them carry unloaded.

I live in Indiana. Open-carry doesn't mean unloaded.

[xchrom]

5. Recommend - excellent! Nt

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[proteus_lives]

13. Ahh, canards.

When you have no point to make.

[Grassy Knoll]

16. This coming from " proteus ".....

I will take your canard and raise you a big MYTH.

[proteus_lives]

31. What myth?

That oppressive gun-control is a good thing?

[onehandle]

7. But how will you be able to order your Venti Caramel Frappuccino safely?

Won't somebody think of this guy?

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Damn. He is patient, isn't he?

He's been waiting there for weeks. Maybe he has BO.

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[GreenStormCloud]

24. Fake picture. He knows it is a photoshop but tries to fool people anyway.

Such is the level of debate that one often sees from those opposed to RKBA.

[Katya Mullethov]

51. RKBA ?

You should try arguing with people that vote their job !

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. What about folks at nudist colonies? How would they conceal?

:rofl:

Love the comments left at the site.

[Bold Lib]

11. self deleted

[proteus_lives]

15. Boo.

There's nothing wrong with the choice of open-carry.

[Hoyt]

17. Three cheers for the gubnor. Folks need to leave their guns at home.

[cowman]

19. Hey genius

why don't you go tell the gangbangers and criminals to leave their guns at home also. Let me know how that works out for you.

[Hoyt]

29. "Genius" -- Not hardly.

Doesn't take a genius to know that you are not likely to run into anything like that at most places. I think you and I have been through this before and you are always afraid of something that ain't likely to happen. When you get in a "well regulated militia", I'll agree you should be armed at certain times in public. Until then, "common" folks ought not be permitted to walk around town with a gun, machete, or club, strapped to their leg. The gubnor recognizes the obvious. Good on him.

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[Hoyt]

36. "Common" means you, I and almost everyone else but the police or someone carrying diamonds.

You are too afraid, suspicious and angry to be carrying a gun. And that is the problem. "Common" folks -- who have no real need for a weapon -- need to leave them at home. Have a good day, try walking around without the extra weight in your pants.

[cowman]

37. The xtra weight in my pants

isn't my weapon, it's my gun. So according to you, cops are not "common" folks? My daughter would tell you that you are full of shit and I believe there are other police officers on this forum that would vehemently disagree with you.
Once again, you don't know shit about me so take your dime store psychology cert. elsewhere. BTW, most states disagree with you on open carry, as well as concealed carry.
You still haven't answered my?. Will you go tell the gangbangers and criminals to leave their guns at home?

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[cowman]

45. I'll check rather I need to carry a gun

with the Dept. of Need, oh wait, there is no Dept. of Need. What right do you have telling me where I can and cannot carry my gun?

[shadowrider]

46. If you can personally guarantee my safety everywhere I go

or pay for a 24/7/365 cop to be with me at all times, I agree.

If you can't, I carry. You never know when the threat to your life will come.

[X_Digger]

38. Please chime in on this thread..

I've been trying to get someone from your side of the aisle to respond to the core question for a while now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=316554&mesg_id=316554

[friendly_iconoclast]

49. That's too uncomfortable a question for our resident royalists n/t

[X_Digger]

50. Well, I have to ask, whenever I see such an assertion. n/t

[katzenjammers]

39. What's your proposed 'solution' to what you obviously believe is a big problem?

Something that doesn't involve magic, like snapping your fingers and instantly un-inventing firearms.

[oneshooter]

42. My how progressive and elitist of you!

"Common" folks -- who have no real need for a weapon"

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. Please show your First Amendment permit before posting here

"Common" people like you need to keep your opinions at home.

Never serve a dish you wouldn't like to eat....

[PavePusher]

28. Yes, and you should leave the rest of your Constitutionally protected...

Civil Rights at home as well. You obviously would just continue to abuse them.

[proteus_lives]

30. Why?

[spin]

43. Oklahoma still allows concealed carry ...

so people can still legally carry concealed firearms in public if they have a permit.



You just don't know who is carrying.

[NewMoonTherian]

20. self-delete

[aikoaiko]

40. Is the OK governor a concealed carry zealot?

:shrug: