I wish all the guns would go away.

[rrneck]

If all the guns could go away, that would mean that we would never have to defend ourselves against others. Hate and fear would have been banished from our lives. Greed and envy would have been overcome and we would treat others with the respect and compassion they deserve.

But it hasn't happened yet. I doubt that it will.

[shadowrider]

1. You're funny

that would mean that we would never have to defend ourselves against others.

As if knives, bats, crowbars, boards, scissors, screwdrivers, hammers, vases and so on won't be used.

Bad guys have been doing bad sh*t since humans first stood up on two legs and started throwing rocks at each other. Murders would still occur, only the method would change.

[rrneck]

2. Oh yeah. I left those out.

The worst we should have to worry about is someone sending us bad karma. Or spam.

[shadowrider]

9. And if this were a perfect world

and crime didn't exist, I'd agree with you.

This isn't and it does. I carry for that reason.

[rrneck]

10. Yep. Like I said,

But it hasn't happened yet. I doubt that it will.

[slackmaster]

3. Yeah, nobody was ever assaulted, raped, robbed, or murdered before the invention of guns

:eyes:

[rrneck]

6. Absoulutely. Those were the good ole' days y'know. nt

[Bosso 63]

4. Well, I have always wanted a trebuchet.

I just don't know where I would get a holster for it.

[rrneck]

5. Crossdraw in a vehicle would be a bitch. nt

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. I wish our middle fingers could shoot stalks of

asparagus at 1000 feet per second, but then we would have to burn all the asparagus fields... oh bother.

[rrneck]

13. We've got the next best thing...

http://www.saladshooter.com/



Only good for short range so far.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. Heh heh... good one!. n/t

[Pavulon]

8. The g code for the 1911, sigs, and of course AK

are out there. I always wondered what an AK machined by from 416 would do. Of course a nice button rifled barrel would work.

Would take me about a week and half a million in machine tools to set up a line that would rival colts or HK's.

If they all went away I could sell some very nice replacements.

Everything would be wilson combat custom shop quality.

[rrneck]

12. You'd never be able to see the target

for all the unicorns and rainbows.

Be careful to not step in the unicorn shit.

[Pavulon]

26. Yeppers, because setting up shop in brazil to turn rotors and stators

is far more complicated than a 1940's design rifle..

BTW your dream is bullshit, maybe you can dream of a place without the right to free speech or legal council.

[Mother Smuckers]

11. Woops, you overloaded several sarcasmometers there, podnuh.

:rofl:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. You need share what you are smoking since its seriously disconnected you from reality

Guns were invented in no small part to allow us to defend ourselves from others
Guns are used to protect the smaller and weaker members of our society against the predators
Greed and envy are part of the human condition and firearms have nothing to do with them
Trust, respect, and compassion are not dependent on firearms, in fact the reverse is true to some extent.

Its good thing it will never happen

[rrneck]

16. What!?

You're harshing on my buzz, man.

I won't share it with you. But I'll sell you some. :smoke:

If all the guns went away, that would mean that we will have reached an enlightened state of awareness. Probably something to do with quantum consciousness. Oh, wait. That's another forum.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

17. You forget the fundamental underpinning of all of this is scarcity and need

If everyone has enough food to eat, a decent place to call home, and work important enough to them to keep them engaged, the need for personal weapons for defensive purposes goes away. Hobbyists may have them, but as a critical part of the social fabric they would no longer be needed.

Look up Child of Yesteryear by Hogan. Its an and interesting scifi book which postulates what happens in a society where there is no scarcity.

[rrneck]

18. Yeah,

This thread was obviously not started with any serious intent. But y'know, even if we achieve the level of societal parity we all deserve as human beings, there will always be the odd sociopath about.

The seven deadly sins are as much a part of us as the seven godly virtues. We are far from perfect, even in a world of plenty.

[GreenStormCloud]

29. Try watching the movie, "Surrogates". N/T

[spin]

19. The U.K. has very strict firearm regulation ...

and yet has a higher level of violent crime than the U.S.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

By James Slack
Last updated at 12:14 AM on 3rd July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

***snip***

* The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
* It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
* The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
* It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.



The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz0m3tmvk6u

I fear you are dreaming of an Alice in Wonderland world.

[rrneck]

20. The Alice I'd dream about

is way hotter than that. :evilgrin:

I guess I should have put up the sarcasam tag. All the backwards thinking regarding guns emboldening crime gets tiresome.

[X_Digger]

21. *sniff* one can dream. :)

Sadly, I think the sarcasm tag would help divert some of the head scratching- or a link to the other thread that spawned this thought.

[rrneck]

24. Yeah,

it's hard to throw frivolity into this forum without giving people a little warning.

Here's the thread that started this shit if you're interested.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x312692#312718

But that's nothing new around here. I've been farting here for over a year and the bulk of my posts have been in the guns forum. I have yet to hear a rational anti gun argument or a viable proposal for replacing guns. Not one. I signed up here ready to have my mind changed, and I've heard little else but sarcasm, insults, and bigoted caricatures. No wonder we're up to our asses in Republicans.

[X_Digger]

25. Yup, I figured that's where this started..

.. in rainbow unicorn land ;)

[DissedByBush]

22. Kind of have to change human nature first

We had hate, fear, greed, envy and murder for thousands of years before guns were even invented.

[rrneck]

23. Not if

you are in a bubble behind the walls of a gated community. There, everyone uses the correct fork and violence is dealt with by others hired for that purpose. The secret is in outsourcing and proper risk distribution.

[Pavulon]

28. Yep,just fuck the proles. You see a golf course or beach, hollandaise

is you enemy, not gunfire. heart disease is a motherfucker.

[DissedByBush]

30. Same thing back then

Just with knives, swords or bows.

[Pavulon]

27. I wish beer flowed from faucets and

well fill in the rest. Wishes are GGGGrrrreat.