Brady Campaign Continues Slide Into Irrelevancy

[virginia mountainman]

LOL!! Let me post a single sentence from Brady's Dennis Henigan....

The evidence is overwhelming that the "shall-issue" concealed carry laws have been a disaster for public safety. They have allowed dangerous people to obtain concealed carry licenses, those people have committed grievous crimes, and the scholarly research shows that the laws generally have been "associated with uniform increases in crime."

This is but one of many, polished turds from him...ROLFLMAO...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-a-henigan/starbucks-and-guns-open-d_b_499795.html

There’s “evidence,” all right, and it’s certainly “overwhelming.” Today, there are 36 states with “shall issue” laws—an all-time high. Sixty-three percent of Americans live in “shall issue” states, five million Americans have carry permits, and two states don’t even require a permit to carry concealed.

“Uniform increases in crime”? The nation’s violent crime rate is at a 35-year low.

Since adopting “shall issue” laws, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Virginia have had unprecedented decreases in violent crime ranging from 26 to 53 percent.

He can keep polishing, Brady's turds...but in the end, they are still turds....

[wtmusic]

1. How about you "open-carry" some links to support those statistics, pardner.

Thanky kindly.

[eqfan592]

7. Oh please.

It's called the search feature. The FBI data has been posted about a million times on this forum. So how about you "moronic ass attempt at being clever" your way to the search feature.

[proteus_lives]

14. How laughable you are.

You language proves you have nothing to say.

[Euromutt]

17. Try the DoJ's Bureau of Justice Statistics

Here's a chart on nonfatal firearm violent crime rates, 1993-2008: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/firearmnonfatalrt.cfm

And here's a chart of homicides by weapon type, 1975-2005 http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm#weapons
Note that that chart shows absolute numbers, not rates/100,000 population. For that, see the chart on homicide rates, 1900-2006 http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/hmrt.cfm
Money quote: "Homicide rates recently declined to levels last seen in the mid-1960s"

Now, note that with the second chart, the number of homicides committed with handguns from 1998 onward is comparable to those in the dips in the mid-1970s and mid-1980s, but increased population since then means that the rate of handgun murders is lower now than it was in the 1970s and 1980s. I focus on handguns because when we're talking about weapons that require a permit to legally carry concealed, we're talking handguns.

[Omaha Steve]

2. Tell us more why a government worker being shot with a permanent disability is funny

I missed the punch line.

John Lennon, RFK, JFK, MLK. Need I say more?

[eqfan592]

4. Yes, in fact, you do have to say more.

"People were killed by somebody using an object, therefore, the object is automatically bad" is amazingly weak reasoning. Nice try, though.

[benEzra]

8. And how many of those murderers were CHL holders?

Oh, that's right, none of them.

[GreenStormCloud]

12. ALL of those were BEFORE the large scale trend of states toward shall-issue.

Do you have anything more recent, and that was committed by a CCW permit holder?

[proteus_lives]

15. I think it's sad they use those incidents to try and strip us of our rights.

Don't you?

[SteveM]

24. Sniff... sniff... sniff. Yep, smells like culture war to me, too...

You realize that you keep "gun control" alive as an issue for the benefit of the GOP, don't you? Remember a hard fact: gun-controllers/prohibitionists made the modern NRA. And GOP.

[wtmusic]

3. From your link:

"The evidence is overwhelming that the "shall-issue" concealed carry laws have been a disaster for public safety. They have allowed dangerous people to obtain concealed carry licenses, those people have committed grievous crimes, and the scholarly research shows that the laws generally have been "associated with uniform increases in crime." But the danger becomes evident to the public only episodically - when someone with a concealed carry license shoots someone accidentally or commits a violent act, such as the six multiple shootings committed by concealed carry licensees in 2009 alone. What if concealed carry licensees had to reveal they were packing whenever they entered Starbucks or other public places? The debate over guns in public would be far different."

I was hoping you could come up with something to support your point of view. :D

[Old Codger]

5. try here

http://www.17-76.com/left.html The click on "gun facts not myths" Might help.

[eqfan592]

6. Wow, you think 6 incidents of people doing something bad....

....out of millions of people is slam dunk proof against what those people are doing? Hell, even the 130 or so incidents that the VPC reports over the last several years only underlines just how amazingly law abiding CCW permit holders are, and note how no attempt is made to factor in the positive impacts, such as people who may have once been victims now able to defend themselves.

[X_Digger]

9. Yoo hoo...

I notice you didn't respond.. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=303193&mesg_id=303567

Care to respond there? Or do you actually not care what the "study" itself says, and just like regurgitating the Brady interpretation of the abstract?

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. Now, you *know* when empirical evidence doesn't agree with an article of faith it is ignored.

Did not the philosopher Byrne of the Talkingheadsists tell us: "Facts are stupid"?

So there!

[Hoopla Phil]

13. Would you please respond to x_Digger. I'd very much like to read what you have to say

to it.

[SsevenN]

22. I would

also like to hear your rebuttal of the facts presented by X_Digger.

But I won't hold my breath...

[cowman]

11. That's a fact

as more and more states and the SCOTUS sides with lawful gun owners, the Brady Bunch and the VPC and certain posters on this forum get more and more shrill and ridiculous with their comments and when they get called on the comments they resort to insults

[proteus_lives]

16. Brady foolishness always makes me smile.

They are completely and utterly irrelevant. It's a good thing, one less group working to destroy our rights.

[Pullo]

18. LOL, the irony here is overwelming

Henigan's "scholarly research" dates from 2001. The study he cites bashes the initial findings of John Lott's research ending in 1992. How convenient is for him then to just ignore all the research and statistics that have been gathered on this subject in the last 20 years.

Oh, Denny,you pitiful fool.

[SteveM]

19. HuffPo again. Don't they realize the anti-gun columns are a pimple on their nose?

[TheWraith]

20. No more so than the anti-vaxer and "alternative health" nonsense they publish.

HuffPost has some good stuff, but sometimes they have some really lunatic crap, and they don't distinguish between the two.

[SteveM]

21. Surely, they see the responses to the controllers' columns. Yet they persist. nt

[virginia mountainman]

23. Timely bump, due to earlier post nt