Meanwhile, in Congress, another bill to reauthorize the federal AW ban - Author is a Republican

[slackmaster]

(Link may not be hot - copy and paste into a browser - colon must immediately follow 6257)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.6257:

Author:

Rep Kirk, Mark Steven

Cosponsors:

Rep Castle, Michael N. - 6/12/2008
Rep Ferguson, Mike - 6/12/2008
Rep Shays, Christopher - 6/12/2008

WTF do these guys think they are doing?

Is this just a dirty GOP trick to see how many Dems can be suckered into signing on to it?

[NightWatcher]

1. trying to hurt the Dems by reinforcing the idea that the Dems are gun grabbers?

in this election year, I think they should try to make as few waves as possible

[silverback]

2. Idiotic isn't it?

The AWB was one of the stupidest pieces of legislation ever written (cosmetic features, increased sales, no effect on availability, only raised price for compliant rifles while illegal rifles actually got cheaper) and we still have people who want to bring it back despite the political ramifications.

We have more important stuff to worry about.

Obama is going to have an opportunity this month to sew this election up by endorsing the individual right to bear arms when the SC rules on the Heller case.

[old mark]

11. It didn't really ban anything, it just required a number of US made

parts be added to the imported rifles. It served to increase the price for many imported military rifles, and at the same time increased the demand for them. Before the ban, Chinese Norinco SKS sold here for about $65 retail. They can not now be imported, because they were made in China. The one I bought last year cost nearly $200, and I was happy to buy it for that price.

I remember reading that a lot of the importers and wholesalers supported the AWB. They made huge profits from it.


mark

[silverback]

15. You're thinking of 922r.

[beevul]

3. Is this a reauthorization of the original or is this hr1022-ish?

The link didn't work for me, so I couldn't read it.


Iether way, dumb dumb dumb.

[bossy22]

5. re-authorization of the original

the one that didnt ban any guns

i wish they would just shut up about this stuff

[bossy22]

4. mccarthy already beat them to it

but we must protect our kids from the Steyr Aug...cause its flooding our streets

[virginia mountainman]

6. This is a real, "Ban and turn them in"...

For those that bought semi-automatic rifles, AFTER the ban sunseted...

The grandfather clause in this legislation, goes all the way back to 1994, and DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE ARMS PURCHASED AFTER THE BAN SUNSET IN 2004...

Making the current legal owners of these rifles, Federal Felons, OVERNIGHT.

This is the kind of legislation that gets political parties thrown out of power...for generations...

Keep in mind, that with "Heller" getting ready to be decided any day now, that we as Democrats, have much to loose (and much to gain) by the way our party handles itself on the news.

One Fienstein, or McCarthy, spuing forth vile Republican filth on the evening news, and we WILL loose MILLIONS of voters.

[slackmaster]

7. Yes, even though it has a 10-year sunset clause

This ham-handed implementation would actually result in a mandatory confiscation.

[beevul]

9. "Nobody is trying to take your precious guns away"

"Nobody wants to take your damn guns"


Heard so often, hereabouts, and in the gun debate in general...


We got people supporting handgun bans, and assault weapons bans - I guess they just tripped and fell into prohibitionism. :eyes:



Is it time to call bullshit yet?

[bossy22]

8. didnt notice that

wow confiscation- a true american value

[krispos42]

17. I don't think it's about confiscation

It says the following:

Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise
lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the
enactment of this subsection.
‘‘(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
‘‘(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates
of the firearms, specified in appendix A to this
section, as such firearms were manufactured on
October 1, 1993;

In that respect I think we're okay.

It seems to be that the 1993 ban on "assault weapons" and "high-capacity" magagines goes into effect again with the added effect that magazines and guns have to have the date of manufacture included in their serial numbers, presumebly so the police can tell at a glance when the gun was made.

[virginia mountainman]

20. I remember when a technicality in California's law..

caused SKS owners to "Turn them in" or face persecution..


I think it the wording would STILL cause confiscation of rifles purchased with the "evil features" after the ban sunsetted in 2004...

We never thought a malfunctioning rifle, would cause a decorated Veteran, and successful citizen to serve time in prision...

[Thelvyn]

19. You are wrong on that.

While this is B.S. legislation that won't get passed, you are wrong that it will make felons of people who bought "assault weapons" after the 2004 sunset. Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution prohibits such action. It reads: "No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed." An ex post facto law is one that retroactively changes the legal consequences of an action. In short, Congress cannot suddenly outlaw something and punish every person who did it when it was legal.

[krispos42]

10. Here's the Gov't Printing Office PDF

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h6257ih.txt.pdf

[gorfle]

12. I have written all of them.

I have written all of them:

I am urging you to withdraw sponsorship for H.R.6257.

Here are a few things you should know:

Assault weapons like the Colt AR15 and its clones are the most popular target shooting rifle in the United States.

Most shooters are not hunters.

According to the FBI crime data ( http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_20.html ) in 2006, ALL rifles, let alone assault rifles, were used in only 436 homicides - half as many as were committed using hands and feet.

In YOUR state, ZERO homicides were committed using rifles.

Assault rifles are not a crime problem in the United States.

Michael Castle: http://www.house.gov/formcastle/IMA/zipauth.html
Mike Ferguson: http://ferguson.house.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.ContactForm
Shays: http://www.house.gov/shays/contact/index.htm

I urge you to write to the above representatives as well as your own representatives. If you do not know who your representatives are go here www.vote-smart.org where you can enter your zip code and find out.

[gorfle]

13. Is there an equivalent bill in the Senate yet?

n/t.

[jody]

14. Given the Dem Platform on the 2nd and Obama’s support for gun-owners, this should be in Activist HQ

so all DUers can help get the bill killed. :shrug:

[old mark]

16. It seems to me that most people violently against

"Assault Wweapons" have no idcea what they are talking about.
Reality is they play no significant part in violent crime, as stated in an FBI report from the 1990's.
They are not even really assault rifles-they are not capable of automatic fire.

They look different than a deer rifle, therefor are seen as evil.

The entire issue has been whipped up by the antis as another talking point.

I believe most of the antis get their gun "knowledge" from TV or other fictional sources, and make "informed decisions" based of ignorance.

mark

[old mark]

18. It is really irritating that we Democrats

are accused of being anti-gun, and the Republicans are the ones introducing such stupid, worthless legislation.

mark