Goodbyeguns.org

[CaptainRant]

Please sign the petition here:

Goodbye Guns

...to completely ban private ownership of guns in the United State.

[liberalnurse]

1. Hell NO!

I'm a Constitutional Democrat. I refuse to give up the 2nd Amendment. :grr:

[CaptainRant]

2. What is a "Constitutional Democrat"?

Please explain.

[billbuckhead]

5. The 2nd amendment is the obligation for states to have a militia

Not a gun for every nut.
Here's a link to the Freedom States Alliance, a organization fighting gun violence.
<http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/splash.php?redirect=gunguys>

[dairydog91]

6. No.

It's an amendment which was meant to guarantee men of military age the right to keep arms. That way, they would be proficient in their use so that they would be effective if drawn into a militia. It certainly does not say that "states must have a militia", it guarantees an individual right so that militias could be formed in the first place.

[WAGGY]

9. 2nd

billbuckhead,
In case you did not know the B.O.R. is a list of things the gov't cannot stop the PEOPLE from doing, not what the gov't will let the PEOPLE do. your tired argument about the 2nd being only for a state to form a militia is true but only in the case that the militia is comprised of all able bodied men between certain ages, to come together when needed with their own firearms. I also noticed you used the word obligation, when I'm sure you meant right. Because after all, the B.O.R. was written to protect the rights of all the states. Just like the 14th gives equal protection under the law to all states, right?

[WAGGY]

10. Sarcasm

That is sarcasm.

[beevul]

12. Federal Court Acknowledges 2nd Amendment as Individual Right

http://www.njcsd.org/content/view/600/2/


God I bet that stings.

[jmg257]

14. Again? You got it half right, but forgot about the whole "right of the people" part - again. nt

[benEzra]

20. Gee, a lobbyist site...no bias there. (n/t)

[gaspee]

3. I think that

90% of gun control proponants would be against completely banning guns. I know I am and I am for sane gun control laws.

[benEzra]

21. 90% of abortion opponents are against completely banning abortion, too...

90% of gun control proponants would be against completely banning guns. I know I am and I am for sane gun control laws.

90% of abortion opponents are against completely banning abortion, too--but that doesn't mean that NARAL wouldn't object to a law that only allowed abortion to save the life of the mother. And Jerry Falwell doesn't want to ban all books, just the ones he finds distasteful.

Nobody is arguing that ALL guns are in danger of being banned, nor does anyone care; guns aren't absolutely banned in the UK (gun-owner hell) either. What the ban-guns lobby IS fighting to do is ban the most popular nonhunting guns. Problem is, 80% of gun owners DON'T HUNT, and the guns the Bradyites want to ban are the most popular civilian target rifles and defensive pistols/carbines/shotguns in America.

I personally don't care if you'd "allow" me to own a high-powered deer rifle or a .729 skeet shotgun. My wife and I want to keep our pistols and small-caliber carbines, thanks.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. done with pleasure K&R

[dairydog91]

7. Can I sign onto any other stupid causes while I'm there?

Like a prohibition on marijuana, which would of course get marijuana out of the US. Or a ban on irresponsible sex, or alcohol, or lousy driving. After all, everyone knows that legislation banning a popular item creates a force field around the US, preventing any examples of such item from being smuggled into the US. This is why it's so hard for highschoolers to get marijuana, or why it was so hard for bootleggers to smuggle thousands of gallons of booze.

[qdemn7]

11. Why Don't We Give Prohibtion Another Try?

I mean it ALMOST worked last time. :evilgrin:

[qdemn7]

8. This is one ignorant hypocritical SOB

Of course he's a lawyer, that always helps:

It's no surprise that Clark finds these people interesting. In his legal practice, he relishes cases that emphasize the rights of the individual. "Even though the preservation of individual rights is out of fashion now," Clark explains, "I've always admired Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren, who understood that the primary purpose of the Court was protecting every individual from being oppressed by the Government." As Clark notes, this philosophy sometimes puts him at odds with the trends of the day.

Clark believes a small group of con artists are fooling our citizens into throwing away the rights our founding fathers paid for with their lives. Think Radio advocates "awareness and thought" as tools to defeat these evil and sinister con artists.

Stupid bastard. :nuke:

[jmg257]

13. NO thanks - I like life and liberty too much - and my kids. nt

[karlrschneider]

15. Try to get mine, turd merchant. I will give you some fishing weights to use in our lake.

You'll need to pick them out of your body first, however.

[qdemn7]

18. Molon Labe

is much more succinct. ;)

[Name removed]

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[dairydog91]

25. Oh, just bury them (the guns) in the backyard...

...when the fascists come snooping. You really have to laugh at the people who think that the government actually has the capacity to effectively ban gun ownership.

[-..__...]

16. Is that from the creators of "The Onion"?

:rofl: :eyes: :freak: :crazy:

[piedmont]

17. Won't be getting my sig. nt

[Xela]

22. Not signing

Nope.

Xela

[Vilis Veritas]

23. Your funny!

:rofl:

[hogwyld]

24. Done with pleasure!!

K & R. Will recommend that site to all of my friends.

[RL3AO]

26. Um...no.

[aikoaiko]

27. I think not.

Banning guns is bad for us.

[Dukkha]

28. Did a 12 year old write that petition?

That's got to be the most juvenile reactionary bullshit I've seen in a while. It panders so blatant on the extremist stereotype I suspect the site was created by freeper trolls to attempt to discredit the left. Nice try. :eyes:

[jody]

29. No way but I will sign a petition requiring every citizen in the unorganized militia to keep either

an M16 rife or M9 pistol.

Those are standard arms today and SCOTUS said in UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.

10 USC 311 says:

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[EstimatedProphet]

30. Let's make a petition to completely enclose every person in tupperware

We'll all be safe then.

[NaturalHigh]

31. Um...no.

That's probably the stupidest thing I've seen all month (and that's saying something).

[Erebus67]

32. Gotta be satire

#3 on their list of facts is patently false. It don't take a genius to see through that one. Heck I think the risk of accidental drownings in swimming pools is like 100 to 1 over guns. I don't know for sure but I wouldn't be at all surprised if tumbles down stairs kill more kids in the home than guns.

I think someone is having fun with you.

[Name removed]

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[dairydog91]

34. How about...

Number 2? More fear-mongering because people don't bother to learn that the AWB never dealt with automatic guns.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

35. I'm wondering

what sort of position that website is? Is it banning ALL guns?

I am all for a compromise (ban all guns that hold more than three rounds). In the UK, you can own a shotgun after you pass a background, mental, police, and friends' (two references that have known you for more than 2 years) check. It doesn't stop there, you have to buy a police-approved gun case that is bolted to the interior and exterior walls of your house. It cannot be shown off, it has to be in a room that isn't prone to casual callers (kitchen, living room, bathroom, and bedrooms are no nos). Also, the ammunition has to be in a separate container and not with the gun, and the gun MUST be unloaded before storage.

You are subjected to FAC renewal every five years coupled with police checks to see if you are following regulations correctly.

You can also keep historic/decommissioned firearms if you can prove that they are purely historic value and not to be used in game and sport.

I've already handled a shotgun and am thinking about buying one once I've got the time. I really liked going to the shooting range and it was great fun! Prior to that I was all for a gun ban, now I am for compromise.

We do have self-defense in the UK, we just don't use guns for it.