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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:46 PM
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Peak Soil: Cellulosic ethanol, biofuels unsustainable and a threat to America
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:51 PM
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1. Draft Criteria for Sustainable Palm Oil
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:02 PM
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2. Apparently we all need to commit suicide.
Because otherwise, so some people seem to feel, we're always going to be an unsustainable drain on the world.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:21 PM
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3. If overpopulation wasn't an even bigger issue
I'd want to have Alice Friedemann's baby.

Excellent article, thanks for finding it.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:25 PM
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4. Some info on biofuels and sustatinablity
Mixed Prairie Grasses Better Source of Biofuel Than Corn Ethanol and Soybean Biodiesel

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108206&org=NSF&from=news

Diverse mixtures of native prairie plant species have emerged as a leader in the quest to identify the best source of biomass for producing sustainable, bio-based fuel to replace petroleum.

A new study led by David Tilman, an ecologist at the University of Minnesota, shows that mixtures of native perennial grasses and other flowering plants provide more usable energy per acre than corn grain ethanol or soybean biodiesel and are far better for the environment. The research was supported by the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the University of Minnesota Initiative for Renewable Energy and the Environment.

"Biofuels made from high-diversity mixtures of prairie plants can reduce global warming by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Even when grown on infertile soils, they can provide a substantial portion of global energy needs, and leave fertile land for food production," Tilman said.

The findings are published in the Dec. 8, 2006, issue of the journal Science.

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The OP neglects other research on the EROEI of ethanol and soy biodiesel

Environmental, economic, and energetic costs and benefits of biodiesel and ethanol biofuels

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0604600103v1

Negative environmental consequences of fossil fuels and concerns about petroleum supplies have spurred the search for renewable transportation biofuels. To be a viable alternative, a biofuel should provide a net energy gain, have environmental benefits, be economically competitive, and be producible in large quantities without reducing food supplies. We use these criteria to evaluate, through life-cycle accounting, ethanol from corn grain and biodiesel from soybeans. Ethanol yields 25% more energy than the energy invested in its production, whereas biodiesel yields 93% more. Compared with ethanol, biodiesel releases just 1.0%, 8.3%, and 13% of the agricultural nitrogen, phosphorus, and pesticide pollutants, respectively, per net energy gain. Relative to the fossil fuels they displace, greenhouse gas emissions are reduced 12% by the production and combustion of ethanol and 41% by biodiesel. Biodiesel also releases less air pollutants per net energy gain than ethanol. These advantages of biodiesel over ethanol come from lower agricultural inputs and more efficient conversion of feedstocks to fuel. Neither biofuel can replace much petroleum without impacting food supplies. Even dedicating all U.S. corn and soybean production to biofuels would meet only 12% of gasoline demand and 6% of diesel demand. Until recent increases in petroleum prices, high production costs made biofuels unprofitable without subsidies. Biodiesel provides sufficient environmental advantages to merit subsidy. Transportation biofuels such as synfuel hydrocarbons or cellulosic ethanol, if produced from low-input biomass grown on agriculturally marginal land or from waste biomass, could provide much greater supplies and environmental benefits than food-based biofuels.

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and the OP makes no mention of the role of organic agriculture until the very end. Organic ag can and will be used to produce both food and fuel in the future and do it sustainably (and sequester CO2 as well)....

Organic farming produces same corn and soybean yields as conventional farms, but consumes less energy and no pesticides, study finds

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/organic.farm.vs.other.ssl.html

ITHACA, N.Y. -- Organic farming produces the same yields of corn and soybeans as does conventional farming, but uses 30 percent less energy, less water and no pesticides, a review of a 22-year farming trial study concludes.

David Pimentel, a Cornell University professor of ecology and agriculture, concludes, "Organic farming offers real advantages for such crops as corn and soybeans." Pimentel is the lead author of a study that is published in the July issue of Bioscience (Vol. 55) analyzing the environmental, energy and economic costs and benefits of growing soybeans and corn organically versus conventionally. The study is a review of the Rodale Institute Farming Systems Trial, the longest running comparison of organic vs. conventional farming in the United States.

"Organic farming approaches for these crops not only use an average of 30 percent less fossil energy but also conserve more water in the soil, induce less erosion, maintain soil quality and conserve more biological resources than conventional farming does," Pimentel added.

The study compared a conventional farm that used recommended fertilizer and pesticide applications with an organic animal-based farm (where manure was applied) and an organic legume-based farm (that used a three-year rotation of hairy vetch/corn and rye/soybeans and wheat). The two organic systems received no chemical fertilizers or pesticides.

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...and babies will not drop dead in the streets because of biofuels...don't believe the hype.


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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:31 PM
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5. >and babies will not drop dead in the streets because of biofuels
OTOH, babies are dropping dead in the streets of Iraq because we use petroleum.

Bill
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:55 PM
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6. I have one word to say
HEMP! It works well for a variety of oil/biofuel processes and has the ability to grow in marginal lands not needed for food production. Doesn't need pesticides or fertilizers. Can also be used for food and fuel. Almost impossible to kill once you get it in...By the side of the RR tracks in many midwestern countys you will find hemp that has grown there wildly and lushly since the seeds first landed there when farmers were encouraged to grow it in WWII for fiber and rope. And certain varieties are great medicine as well. HEMP FOR VICTORY!
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