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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:28 PM
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According to Gunther
TEPCO has confirmed a meltdown on reactor one, and core breach.

Contanments on units one, two and three are compromised

It's coming out as lava, and the interaction with the cement is producing CO2 and Hydrogen, pressure rising.

If you can catch the sound clip later.

Will wait for happy dancing now. After all this could not be happening, we were told...

Soon, almond milk for me...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 12:58 PM
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1. But don't worry: nuclear power is perfectly safe.
;-)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:04 PM
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2. It's just gerbils falling off their wheel
All be fine when gerbils get back on...tappy happy feet!

Can't wait for the real happy talk...soma anyone?

(Yes at this point I need to have a good sense of humor)
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:08 PM
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3. Did he give any further details about Unit 3? Any idea of how bad it's compromised?
Thanks for posting this. I missed the interview.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:10 PM
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4. Yes, that we need to assume it's compromised
He didn't go so-far as saying breached, but was highly implied.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:15 PM
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5. Forgive me if this is a dumb question but are there global consequences
if the MOX unit is breached? If not global would Japan be inhabitable?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:23 PM
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6. No... And yes
Edited on Fri May-13-11 01:23 PM by nadinbrzezinski
The crap will go around the world in very small amounts. It will make the exclusion zone larger, especially if the wind is flowing the right direction. Japan can't afford this. The contaminated region is the bread basket. Food indelendence they just lost it. It will be worst. MOX is about what 5% of it? The OTHER reactors have already released some plutonium anyway. It is a byproduct of fusion.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:29 PM
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8. Are avoiding lettuce and other leafy greens? What about milk?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:49 PM
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9. no milk, no leafy veggies
well we have still shelf stable
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:27 PM
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7. If TEPCO could harness their upbeat happy talk for power...
Edited on Fri May-13-11 01:27 PM by Ozymanithrax
Nuclear power would be obsolete.

The slow evolution of this story shows that it may be the most important story in the first quarter of this century. If it is no worse than Chernobyl, a sizable chunk of Japan will become a walled off national park for the foreseeable future.

And this will be the ruler against which all future nuclear development must be measured.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:51 PM
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10. Add the pro nuclear industry people
JAYSUS, all they said could not, would not, happen... well it is worst than...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 03:26 PM
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11. Here more info
TOKYO, Japan, May 13, 2011 (ENS) - Tokyo Electric Power Company, operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, revealed Thursday that nuclear fuel at one of the reactors is in a state of "meltdown."

TEPCO officials said that most of the fuel rods in the Unit 1 reactor have melted and fallen to the bottom of the reactor. They said cooling water in this reactor has fallen to a level that would expose those fuel rods that are still intact.

Holes have been created by melted nuclear fuel in piping at the bottom of the reactor's pressure vessel, allowing tons of water the company has been spraying into the reactor to cool the fuel to escape.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2011/2011-05-13-01.html
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 04:19 PM
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12. OH happy day
so i get to see my nuclear bunnies after all ....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 06:08 PM
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13. Here
Edited on Fri May-13-11 06:09 PM by nadinbrzezinski


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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:47 PM
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15. Happy Bunny disco Friday!
I like flopsy up there, good animation job.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:12 PM
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16. Yep, I could not find tappy feet bunny though
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 07:07 PM
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14. I wonder what the truth of unit 3 will be? BOOM!?!?!?!?
Edited on Fri May-13-11 07:15 PM by Fledermaus
WHERE'S THE CORIUM NOW!?!? All three of them are F'd up. And TEPCO, the nuclear power industry, has done nothing to stop the contamination!!

They could have buried them in wet sand by now and froze their hearts with a cryogenic plant.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:44 PM
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17. Gunther who? Sound clip from where? nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:35 PM
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18. Paul Gunter and thom Hartman this morning
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:20 AM
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19. What does this mean in the big picture?
Sorry, but this all sounds seriously scary, and I'm far to ignorant of the subject to put place it in any sort of perspective.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:39 AM
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20. That we are quickly aproaching worst case for one reactor
Edited on Sat May-14-11 12:39 AM by nadinbrzezinski
(Unit One) we are pretty much there... two more are getting there... and Unit four topples... it won't be pretty.

In the big picture it means a larger exclusion zone in Japan and a far larger disaster.

All the pro nuke people have... but. but it is not as bad as Chernobyl. That talking point might be pining in them fjords soon.

In other words, this is very serious.

To the US we are still getting radiation from it... just much smaller amounts. The absolute worst in Reactor one would be an explosion that throws the crap into the atmosphere.

(Sorry, now I will be sent to the corner for being an alarmist noob)

Oh here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1099679&mesg_id=1099679
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:00 AM
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21. Thank you for the info.
I'll be honest, I've spoken in support of nuclear power, both in my regular life and on this forum, in the past. But between this disaster and the advancements that have been made or that are on the verge of being made in both wind and solar power, I have had a change of position on the issue. Now I do believe it is my turn to go sit in the corner for a while...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 02:17 AM
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22. This is one of those paradigm changing events
I think (and hope)

between the technological advances in OTHER energy production sources... and this... many people are realizing we need to think outside the reactor.

25 years ago, I'd be, probably... in the nuclear camp.

A few briefings given after a cat 1 accident in Mexico... and some training in that kind of response. I realized the dangers were greater than the rewards, LONG TERM.

Yes all kinds of incidents involving nuclear have to be reported... even when somebody misplaces an X-Ray core from your dentist chair in the local trash... true story... serious
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