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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 08:37 AM Original message |
Spent Fuel Hampers Efforts at Japanese Nuclear Plant (& damaged central command center) |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. Link here: |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. From that link: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Are you aware that the nuclear plant is now a major part of the problems you note? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. What an odd use of the word "major" |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. nothing to see here says the man employed by the Nuclear industry. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What do I make of them? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. No - but the tritium, 137-Cs and 90-Sr will be |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Tritium really that is on your bad list? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. It readily exchanges with hydrogen in water and biological materials & half-life = 12 years |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. And how much has been detected? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. It hasn't been reported, but there was a lot of hydrogen released and it went boom |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. No doubt? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No doubt. large tritium releases occurred during TMI and at SRP reactors |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No they didn't. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Oh yes they did |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Do you have a better source than "Oh yes they did" ? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. here ya go |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Is TMI in Savannah River now? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. Keep in mind where the hydrogen that "went boom" came from. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Tritium has a biological half life of 8.5 days. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. A single dose will be eliminated in a few days - but not if it is being consumed constantly |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Name a single person ever killed by tritium. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Standard happy talk talk talking point - kids drinking tritiated water and food will maintain |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. It is easily detectable. It would appear in any blood, saliva, or urine sample. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Can you cite the name of one child that developed thyroid cancer from Chernobyl? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. At far lower levels. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Do you know what the ambient concentrations are in either the soil or seawater? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Tritium does not accumulate in either humans or human food chain. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It is not a joke if your kids have to consume it |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. What kid is CONSUMING pure tritium? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. You are not making sense - no one is "drinking" pure tritium gas - it's a gas, OK |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So at best people are drinking water with extremely trace amounts of tritium. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. It is one part of the radionuclide cocktail that Japanese kids will be exposed to |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Dodging the question? |
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abqmufc (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. PSRs comment on risk... |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. One thing I spot right away. |
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abqmufc (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. You are correct but maybe miss the point...? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. If the government were the only source for such data, you would have a point. |
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abqmufc (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Valid point. But then you assume governments actually do that. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. precautionary principle |
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abqmufc (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Yep and governments suspend regulations or change acceptable levels not based on science but need |
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abqmufc (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. FYI, UC Berkley Nuke department data. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Everywhere there is a nuclear industry it is a quasi-governmental entity |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Of course, but it's a complicating factor, not the primary problem. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. When you are suffering from hypothermia because people are afraid to bring supplies |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Do you have evidence that fear is keeping rescue workers out of the affected areas? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yes. My brother-in-law and father-in law; both in Tokyo. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. They are rescue workers? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I have no doubt that some Japanese are scared out of their wits. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Bullshit. Your remarks about the Japanese have been nothing short of disgusting |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. You and I disagree on many levels. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. It's a juggling act over there |
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