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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:18 AM
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Japanese Nuclear Situation Worsens; Military May Air Drop Water on Reactors
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/16277

Japanese nuclear officials are now saying that they may seek out the assistance of the U.S. and Japanese militaries to help spray water from helicopters into an overheating spent fuel storage pool. Tokyo Electric Power is entertaining the helicopter idea because the risk of radiation contamination from approaching the pool directly.

A Japanese official notes that the pool could be boiling, which would raise the risk that water used to keep the fuel cool might evaporate.

The Japanese government has ordered 140,000 people to seal themselves indoors after dangerous levels of radiation began leaking from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility in northeastern Japan. An explosion early Tuesday and resulting fire has dramatically escalated the nuclear crisis which was spawned by Friday's magnitude 9.0 earthquake and the resulting tsunami.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan said in a nationally televised statement that radiation has spread from the four damaged reactors at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:20 AM
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1. Makes sense to me.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:24 AM
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4. I wouldn't want to fly one of these birds
It could be a suicide mission. Are there any pilots among the engineers who designed that plant? Let them do it.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:33 PM
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16. That plan has been scrapped. Hole too far from pool. No alternative at this time. nt
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:21 AM
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2. Reaters breaking says its the Daiichi #4 spent fuel pool
no link yet
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:23 AM
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3. um -- if it's boiling -- it is evaporating.
'A Japanese official notes that the pool could be boiling, which would raise the risk that water used to keep the fuel cool might evaporate.'

i don't know if it's going anywhere -- but that's what happens when water boils.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:26 AM
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6. Isn't it amazing how they couch their words?
We all watched one of the buildings explode with such violence its roof and walls were disintegrated in a picosecond and the officials were still talking about whether or not the building was part of an explosion. Anyone with eyes to see could tell it blew up violently.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:25 AM
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5. That's exactly what they need to do to raise water level in the holding tanks. nt
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:27 AM
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7. They could send in a robot with a long hose
And keep the pool filled all the time, visually monitored by camera.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:14 PM
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10. That's assuming they have those resources. nt
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:30 PM
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15. A hose attached to a faucet and Asimov?
Of COURSE they have the resources!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:29 AM
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8. Um, does anybody else think that might be just a tad inadequate?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 02:42 PM
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14. That depends on how much water they can get there per day. It could work short term. nt
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 09:40 PM
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18. The cooling ponds are simple construct.
Imagine a deep swimming pool with fuel rods in it. Without active cooling the temp in pool is rising and water is evaporating. Eventually the water level will drop and fuel will be exposed.

You have a limited number of people and they are focusing on the reactor and the pumps, and the fires, and the dozen other things going.

Seems like a very good idea to use helicopers to continually add water to cooling ponds to ensure fuel remains covered.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:36 AM
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9. This is sounding more like chernobyl all the time.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:15 PM
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11. The core containment vessel's presence still makes it a lot better than Chernobyl. nt
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:34 PM
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12. The storage pools are vastly more dangerous than the vessels.
Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 01:37 PM by snagglepuss
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Sharon Begley, the science columnist and science editor of Newsweek, has a good write-up of the call, “The Japan Nuke Problem No One’s Talking About,” which I’ll excerpt:

To the growing list of worries at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear-power plant … add this: could the spent nuclear fuel sitting in a nearby storage pool pose an even bigger threat to people and the environment? The spent fuel produced by reactors has been a challenge since the dawn of the nuclear industry, with most reactor operators opting to store it in pools of cooling water on site. At the 40-year-old Fukushima plant, which was built by General Electric, the fuel rods are stored at a pool about three stories up, next to the reactor (a schematic is here). Satellite photos raise concerns that the roof of the building housing the pool has been blown off, says Robert Alvarez, a senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a senior policy adviser to the secretary of energy and deputy assistant secretary for national security and the environment from 1993 to 1999. He and other experts are now warning that any release of radioactivity from the spent-fuel pool could make the releases from the reactors themselves pale in comparison.

The spent-fuel pools are rectangular basins about 40 feet deep, made of four- to five-foot-thick reinforced concrete lined with stainless steel. That was thought to be sufficient to prevent a breach. But the disastrous combination of an earthquake (which knocked out power form the electricity grid) and a tsunami (which swamped the diesel generators serving as backup power) forced the power-plant operators to turn to batteries for core cooling.When battery-powered cooling failed, hydrogen in two of the units exploded, damaging the reactor buildings—and, apparently, the spent-fuel area as well. Satellite photos appear to show that two cranes used to move spent fuel into the pool “are both gone,” Alvarez told a press conference organized by Friends of the Earth, a nonprofit environmental group that opposes nuclear power. “There has definitely been damage to the pool area.”

The pools “contain very large concentrations of radioactivity, can catch fire, and are in much more vulnerable buildings,” he warns. If the pools lose their inflow of circulating cooling water, the water in the pools will evaporate. If the level of water drops to five or six feet above the spent fuel, Alvarez calculates, the release of radioactivity “could be life-threatening near the reactor building.” Since the total amount of long-lived radioactivity in the pool is at least five times that in the reactor core, a catastrophic release would mean “all bets are off,” he says.

Of particular concern: cesium-137 in the pool, at levels Alvarez estimates at 20 million to 50 million curies. The 1986 Chernobyl accident released about 40 percent of the reactor core’s 6 million curies. In a 1997 report for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory estimated that a severe pool fire—made possible by the loss of cooling water—could leave about 188 square miles uninhabitable and cause up to 28,000 cancer deaths


read more at

http://climateprogress.org/2011/03/14/third-explosion-reported-3-cooling-systems-failing-3-meltdowns-cant-be-ruled-out-spent-fuel-risk-also-great/#more-44532
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 02:32 PM
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13. I agree, but the worst scenario may yet be averted in Japan. Hoping. nt
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:37 PM
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17. # 2 containment has been "damaged".
We don't know yet how it compares to Chernobyl because we don't know what the heck is going on inside and where we might end up.
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