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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:38 PM
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Keeping It Frozen—In Alaska, a low-tech solution helps the ground stay cold enough, for now
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704576204574531373037560240.html
DECEMBER 7, 2009

Keeping It Frozen

In Alaska, a low-tech solution helps the ground stay cold enough, for now

By JIM CARLTON

FAIRBANKS, Alaska—While the world debates the causes of climate change and what, if anything, to do about it, Alaskans are busy dealing with its consequences.

Permafrost, the frozen ground that lies just beneath the surface in most of the state, has become less stable in many areas, thanks in part to higher average air temperatures. It has begun to thaw in the warmer months and refreeze in the winter, causing shifts that wreak havoc on the structural integrity of the pipelines, railways, roads and buildings that sit on top of it.

"If we're going to build on frozen ground, we want to keep it frozen," says Dan White, director of the Institute of Northern Engineering at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

To do that, engineers increasingly are turning to a low-tech solution: devices called thermosiphons that draw heat out of the ground. It's a solution that shows how effective even relatively simple ingenuity can be in the absence of a more comprehensive, policy-driven response to climate change. But Alaska's experience also shows the limits that such stopgap measures often run up against.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:46 PM
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1. I think it apparent what they can do to reduce the "hot air"
Keeping Palin out of the state, for one...


But, in all seriousness, this is some good news for a change...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 06:48 PM
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2. Heat pipes is another name for them
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 06:33 AM
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3. Hmmm ...
> "If we're going to build on frozen ground, we want to keep it frozen,"

Their "plan" addresses the second part of that sentence.
I really think they should address the "if" in the first part.

> Permafrost, the frozen ground that lies just beneath the surface
> in most of the state, has become less stable in many areas,
> thanks in part to higher average air temperatures.

Draw heat out of the ground and dump it into the atmosphere ...
that's a "good" move?

Specifically, drawing heat out of a few very localised places
in the ground and dumping it into already warming air around it
will simply (but expensively) move the problem sideway by a few metres.

Can't they see that they're fighting a seriously uphill battle in their
desperate attempt to maintain "Business As Usual"?

:shrug:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 10:12 AM
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4. I'm not so sure the heat they are removing from the frozen ground is
is having much effect on the whole scheme of things.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:52 AM
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5. Exactly ...
... it's not having much effect on their attempt for "Business As Usual"
either as it is literally only moving it a couple of metres vertically
then leaving it as a very localised (albeit low delta) heat source!

My objection wasn't that they were influencing any regional effects
but that they weren't even making significant progress at the local
level thus the money being spent on this attempt could be better utilised
elsewhere.

:hi:
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