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ilaughatrightwingers Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:01 PM
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Fed Calls US Economy "Unsustainable"
http://partisan-news.blogspot.com/2010/10/fed-calls-us-economy-unsustainable.html

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke gave a speech in Rhode Island on Monday. Bernanke warned the audience of the Annual Meeting of the Rhode Island Public Expenditure Council that the state of American finances is "unsustainable."

Bernanke is quoted as saying:

"Let me return to the issue of longer-term fiscal sustainability. As I have discussed, projections by the CBO and others show future budget deficits and debts rising indefinitely, and at increasing rates. To be sure, projections are to some degree only hypothetical exercises. Almost by definition, unsustainable trajectories of deficits and debts will never actually transpire, because creditors would never be willing to lend to a country in which the fiscal debt relative to the national income is rising without limit."

He went on:

"The budgetary position of the federal government has deteriorated substantially during the past two fiscal years, with the budget deficit averaging 9-1/2 percent of national income during that time. For comparison, the deficit averaged 2 percent of national income for the fiscal years 2005 to 2007, prior to the onset of the recession and financial crisis. The recent deterioration was largely the result of a sharp decline in tax revenues brought about by the recession and the subsequent slow recovery, as well as by increases in federal spending needed to alleviate the recession and stabilize the financial system. As a result of these deficits, the accumulated federal debt measured relative to national income has increased to a level not seen since the aftermath of World War II."

"Economic conditions provide little scope for reducing deficits significantly further over the next year or two; indeed, premature fiscal tightening could put the recovery at risk. Over the medium- and long-term, however, the story is quite different. If current policy settings are maintained, and under reasonable assumptions about economic growth, the federal budget will be on an unsustainable path in coming years, with the ratio of federal debt held by the public to national income rising at an increasing pace. Moreover, as the national debt grows, so will the associated interest payments, which in turn will lead to further increases in projected deficits. Expectations of large and increasing deficits in the future could inhibit current household and business spending--for example, by reducing confidence in the longer-term prospects for the economy or by increasing uncertainty about future tax burdens and government spending--and thus restrain the recovery. Concerns about the government's long-run fiscal position may also constrain the flexibility of fiscal policy to respond to current economic conditions."

"It would be difficult to identify a specific threshold at which federal debt begins to pose more substantial costs and risks to the nation's economy. Perhaps no bright line exists; the costs and risks may grow more or less continuously as the federal debt rises. What we do know, however, is that the threat to our economy is real and growing."

It was obvious throughout other parts Bernanke's speech that he was blaming much of the future economic difficulties on the cost of state benefits and services to average people. The solution one would assume Bernanke implied is one that involves doing away with millions of people's jobs, health care, retirement benefits, and unemployment aid. Doing this will only make the economic situation worse because it will throw more people in the unemployment line and stop money from circulating. As you can see from the quotes, the Chairman also took this into consideration.

It should be obvious that these capitalists and their bankers are unable to get the US, and the world, out of this hole that they have dug. Of course, we should question whether or not they are actually trying. Perhaps the troubling economic hole they've put us in isn't just any hole, but rather a mass grave for the average person!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:28 PM
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1. But Ben, you said the sub-prime problem was "contained"
and would not spill over to the rest of the economy.
Remember?

Then you said TARP would solve the problem.

NOW Ben points out the problem, NOW?????

For those who like plain English explanations of what is going on, try this guy, he is very clear, easy to grasp:

"So to prevent these catastrophic losses, Backstop Benny—Ben Bernanke, Chairman of the Federal Reserve—essentially did the ol’ switcheroo on the Toxic Assets: In order to save the banks whose balance sheets depended so heavily on these now-dead turds, the Fed purchased the Toxic Assets at their nominal price. Then the banks—the so-called Too Big To Fail banks—took that cash and purchased U.S. Treasury bonds. "

http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/08/termite-riddled-house-treasury-bonds.html



Sounds like Ben has figured out the music has stopped.

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:28 PM
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2. So is he saying the Bush tax cuts should expire? What do you bet he wants
To cut "entitlements" instead?

I wish they would do something for the majority of Americans for a change instead of the top 10%! how about letting the tax cuts on the rich expire and lifting the cap on payroll taxes?

Then if Obama would get us out of these stupid wars, our debt would be gone in a whole lot sooner. Otherwise, the rich get richer, the rest of us fall further and further behind, and the debt get bigger and bigger!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:36 PM
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3. 'which is why we must slash Social Security, chumps!'
Great stuff, thanks!
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 09:25 PM
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4. The Recovery Cult of course, will continue to fellate and Worship Ben as a "Hero" who "Saved Us"
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 09:26 PM by TheWatcher
And as long as the Stock Market, which is now delusionaly seen by them as The Economy itself, continues to go up, these words will be completely ignored and claimed to not exist.

Meanwhile, the Fed's out of control Monetary Policy and Monetization, Quantitative Easing and rumors of such, and Wall Street's Artificial, Manipulated, High Frequency, Algorithm-Driven Bubble (Which is what is truly unsustainable), as well as The Bankster's looting, robbing, and stealing will continue, unabated, and unopposed by a hapless, mesmerized, Propaganda soaked public, who will be too busy clamoring for info about Lebron James and the Miami Heat's Quest for a Title to give a shit.

The Dollar will continue to devalue, and The Jobs picture will continue to deteriorate.

And we will be told that the Economy is "Strong" and "getting Stronger."

All those who question in even the most reasonable and objective terms will be demonized and ostracized as Financial Al Qaeda who Hate Obama, are sexually aroused by Republicans, and never beleived in America to Begin With.

Otherwise it will be a Fine Day. :)
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ilaughatrightwingers Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:58 PM
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5. So...
Just asking, but what would you propose as a solution to all of this?

I hope you don't suggest we go back to the gold standard.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 04:52 AM
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8. There's no going back now.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 04:57 AM by girl gone mad
We can use our fiat system for good or for evil.

Unfortunately, it seems that our elected and appointed officials work for the dark side. They understand that they have many powerful monetary tools at their disposal, but they employ these tools solely to try and maintain a corporate oligarchy that is by now deeply corrupt and defective. Then they put the screws to everyone else through forced austerity and institutionalized fraud.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 11:01 AM
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9. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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DoctorK Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 09:08 AM
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15. of course we can 'go back'
The States had paper money experiments several times before the creation of the Constitution (which finally forbid states from issuing paper money).
What we need is an amendment to the Constitution that forbids the Federal government from issuing paper money, and a return to reality based (supply and demand) monetary system. Not one driven by bankers greed to counterfeit and politicians greed to spend more on the public than they tax from the public.
This paper money experiment is failing the people like the previous ones (and enriching the politically connected as always), it must be recognized and discarded before the economy is further crippled.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 08:36 PM
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13. People who can't use logic and facts to refute allegations,
tend to say things like "what would you propose as a solution to all of this?" Like since we're the ones noticing what's wrong, it's our job exclusively to fix it.

I propose we get our collective heads out of our asses and discuss the realities honestly.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:31 AM
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6. we are allowing this to happen
The situation could be turned around by four actions:

1. End corporate welfare now.

2. Tax the rich their fair share.

3. Enact laws encouraging the return of jobs from overseas and discouraging jobs going overseas.

4. Disburse a significant stimulus to every adult with less than $100,000 annual income -- $5000 perhaps.

Oh, and bring the troops home.

Do it. End of recession.
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ilaughatrightwingers Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:24 AM
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7. Another step
We could also strengthen unions.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:10 AM
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11. #4 would cost roughly $1 trillion. n/t
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 06:07 PM
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12. in that case make it $50,000
what's 10 trillion here or there, in this environment? At least that $10 trillion would get spent, and probaby spent carefully and well.

After the last couple years nearing hell, the vast majority would pay down/payoff debt, do some damage-repair to their lives, and save/invest anything left over. Maybe even break out a bottle of wine or take a day trip.

Personally, I'd 1. pay of my student loans, making more loans available to someone else, 2. put in a windmill, 3. do some home repairs/updates/winterizing and probably still have enough left to 4. buy a replacement (younger used) car when my old civic is ready to go (just passed inspection at 198,000 with *no* repairs needed :D), and maybe spend a long weekend in Acadia...
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:40 AM
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10. Translation: We cannot afford to bail out the banksters again
or we'll all go under.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:34 AM
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14. No shit Bernake
What a maroon. The obvious solution is to raise taxes on the rich who are hoarding all the money--not "creating jobs". Unless, of course you count creating jobs in China and India. Fuck. All you have to do to "reduce the debt" is restore Clinton era taxes along with Clinton era "defense" expenditures and the stupid budget problem is solved.

Of course a transaction tax on stock trades could balance the budget as well. Or how about doubling the capital gains tax? Or slapping tariffs on China's imports that are artificially cheap because of the Commies' currency manipulation?

The point is that we are in a POLITICAL crisis, not an economic crisis. If we only had the political will, our problems could be solved rather easily.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 12:37 PM
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16. Maybe they should get Uncle Al (Greenspan) back in the spot
to tell us all how things are going so smoothly
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