Democrats Headed for 'Train Wreck'

[gr8scott88]

I love this guy ... as a "died in the wool" old BlueBlood Dem, Zell is on the money calling our Party to wake up and smell the grits. Our Party is being hijacked by the NoerthEast Liberals! (ala: Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, etc.). When will we get rid of McAullife?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/6/170240.shtml

Sen. Miller: Democrats Headed for 'Train Wreck'
Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
Friday, Nov. 7, 2003

WASHINGTON - Terry McAuliffe? A "disaster." The Democrat presidential field? "Do not understand the South." President Bush? "A little Churchill in him."

America's most outspoken Democrat leader, retiring Sen. Zell Miller, does not hold back.

Give'em hell Zell ...

GR8

[BloodyWilliam]

1. So the problem with the Democrats...

Is that they're not Republicans? :wtf:

[theivoryqueen]

2. OMG - "a little Churchill in him"???

Okay, that's taking things a bit far. I would venture that most Brits would disagree with that sentiment.

[Richardo]

3. "We" do not usually rely on newsmax for relevant or rational Op-eds

I don't think that any real member of this board gives a $#!+ what ol' sheep's clothing Miller has to say.

That's what "we" think.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. Oui.

[Monte Carlo]

9. Or what the Richard Mellon Scaife-funded Newsmax has to say...

... about pretty much anything and everything.

[gr8scott88]

13. Lurching Left

.. isn't going to win in '04. Why not dig up McGovern and Mondale ?
Remember those A$$ whoopin's ?

The answer is to get some of the middle , oh single minded one

GR8

[cosmicdot]

18. Lurching Left? - healthcare, i.e., is not lurching left

... it's common sense for the common good ...

what is extreme is that sucking sound we figuratively hear of our money going to the corporations and Bush cronies which will only make our challenges now, and in the future ... well, more challenging ...
the banks on the Caymans must be abuzz with daily transactions ... leave no billionaire behind ...

see, this is the problem with runaway and Limbaughesque type labels ... we tend to miss the needs of our society

what's extreme is the politics of the PNAC-radical fundamentalists axis which divides us on matters which don't put food on the table

have you met parabara - you may have a lot in common

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=667802#667870

Mr. Zell-out would probably like to reset the clock to about 1850 along with the Nixon-Reagan-Bush cronies. This born and bred Southerner looks forward to progress. Some people have their feet on America's breaking system, and we're not improving our lot in a changing progessive world. They are holding us down and back. They don't build trust ... we need to find ways to build trust ... trust builds community; and, with community, we can achieve great things ... being ran by CEOs, good ol'boys and ignorance won't achieve those loft goals.

[pansypoo53219]

25. george is

NOT RR.

[Monte Carlo]

26. Why would we want to dig up McGovern or Mondale?

It seems to me that left, right, and center are just labels, and gross generalizations of the sums of stances on a whole spectrum of issues. We're going to win in 2004 if the nominee is willing to fight for what Democrats believe in, not because of some superficial label.

[rooboy]

4. Newsmax + Zell Miller = troll. n/t

[Ediacara]

6. I CARE F***-ALL ABOUT THE SOUTH!!!

If Zell's answer is to appease the hijackers of democracy, then Zell can shove it!

Honestly, Who cares if they "don't understand the south"?????? None of them understand anything west of the Mississippi and you don't hear me bitching about it!

[LuminousX]

7. When was the last time we had a Nor'Easter President?

southern Democrats have had too much power. Honestly, I think it is time to toss the progressive cause to the Northwest Democrats with their nice blend of progressive thought, environmental consciousness, and practical approaches.

[cjbuchanan]

8. Zell is an idiot

He said that he cannot trust any of the 9 Dems, but that he does trust Bush.

Let's see, Bush has lied about matters related to:

War
Intelligence
The environment
Woman's rights
Civil Rights
The economy
Tax cuts
Health care
Education
Homeland security
Constitutional rights

And those are just the first few that come to mind. Yet Zell thinks this is what Democrats should be like?

Sounds like Zell is a poor judge of character.

[Catbert]

11. But the problem here in Democrats in-fighting

If you take your list:

War
Intelligence
The environment
Woman's rights
Civil Rights
The economy
Tax cuts
Health care
Education
Homeland security
Constitutional rights

The hardcore signle canidate partisans here accuse the other candidates of lieing about all of these things. We hurt ourselves when we do this.

[DBoon]

10. What I think of the main post

[gr8scott88]

12. ..self portrait, eh !

[raysr]

14. A spy in our midst!

[Duder]

15. A different view...

'The election of three GOP governors - one in the largest state and two in the south - are a reminder (albeit one being widely ignored) of the true problem the Democratic Party faces. One of the great disservices of the media is to perpetuate the notion that American politics rises and sets on the presidency. In fact, the election of a president is the end result of many other decisions and choices made throughout the country that often are of little interest to the press. For example, the makeup of state legislatures strongly effects decennial redistricting; governors often serve as the ward leaders of national politics, and so forth.

The charts on this page (charts at http://prorev.com/indexa.htm ) illustrate what really has happened to the Democratic Party and why, even in the midst of a disastrous foreign policy and bad economic conditions for many Americans, it is doing so poorly.

These charts show a party that has been in general decline over the past four decades. In fact, in the Senate and the House, the peak of Democratic power was way back in 1937. The party has been on a downward trend ever since. More recently, it was the Carter administration - not Reagan's - that accelerated the party's fall followed by the disastrous effect the Clinton years had on the party. The party did worse under Clinton than it had under any incumbent since Grover Cleveland.

None of this is incorporated into the mythology of either the party or the media, both of which persist in blaming party progressives for the Democrats' problems, when in fact it has been those such as Carter and Clinton who so muddled the party's social democratic image that in the end no one quite knew where it stood.

There is a lesson here for the candidates this year, but so far Howard Dean seems the only one who understands that for the party to grow it must reach out to new (or former) constituencies or it will continue to die of grassroot rot.'

[Padraig18]

16. Hmmm...

Speaking as a populist, I must say that we have to get away from this mindset of "If they're not 60s/70s-style liberals, they're not real Democrats". That particular litmus test is a prescription for electoral disaster!

[liberalmuse]

20. But what we have here is outright treason in the Dem party.

His voting 'pub on everything angered me, but I could accept that, albeit grudgingly. What is inexcusible is his blatant abandonment of his own party in order to endorse the worst disaster of a 'president' in this nation's history. By doing this, he is essentially trying to shoot his own party in the foot.

[Padraig18]

23. I agree, Zell is slime. n/t

[raysr]

21. Northwest

They're working on us here in the Northwest too. (Washington)Lining up for Gov one of the Rove groomed guys(can't think of his name)Locke isn't going to run again. We hate Repugs in Washington. HATE

[liberalmuse]

17. Miller is a DINO...

..a 'pub in Dem's clothing. He needs to be run out of the Democratic party on a rail. What a disgrace.

[LittleApple81]

19. What is it with all the Zell Miller moles today? n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. Oh, right

The problem with the Democrats is that in some cases, the voters can almost tell the difference between them and the Republicans.

What we really need is two Republican Parties, one for the fascists and another for the theocrats.

Yeah, right.

:crazy:

[w4rma]

24. Zell doesn't understand policy. And he has a flawed understanding of image

Zell's economic policies HURT southerners. Zell's focus on image and then attacking everyone who doesn't agree with him, shows him to be narrowminded.

He doesn't like Daschle because Daschle protected the wages of many workers, including Southern workers? Out is low wages something that regular Southerners want? It's not. It's what big buisness wants.

[Punkingal]

27. i'm locking this thread....

this poster is a disruptor