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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:10 PM
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Why did the Dean campaign say he came up with the Trent Lott line himself?
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 10:11 PM by DJcairo
When on K-street it's clear that Carville gave it to him?

hmmm


K street was great though wasn't it? Carville and Matalin are hilarious.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:12 PM
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1. does this
merit its own thread?

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:39 PM
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11. flame bait .....Were going to get pisst on!!!
Get your umbrella.......
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valniel Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:55 PM
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23. Yes, think back to 1999-2000, and what GOP did to Gore
Dean need's to understand that every time he bends the truth, even a little bit, its another GOP attack add in the making!
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:14 PM
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2. where/when did the campaign say that?
please provide a link, if one exists (which I doubt).
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:46 PM
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15. Dean said it this morning on "This Week." Steph asked him
about it and he did his famous by now, "who me? What are you talking about? I can up with that line myself." Let's go to the tape.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:55 PM
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22. Dean said no such thing on "This Week"
Why are you making shit up?

Are you just trying to be cute?

How's that working out for ya?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:20 AM
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32. Here's your link. Dean is a habitual liar. Scary.
September 13, 2003



TV Show Brought Debate Plus for Dean
By THE NEW YORK TIMES

ASHINGTON, Sept. 12 Howard Dean got help from an unusual source in preparing for the Democratic debate in Baltimore on Tuesday: two veteran political consultants appearing with him on a television series.

One of Dr. Dean's best-received lines was fed to him by James Carville and Paul Begala in the taping of the mock reality show "K Street." His unusual source of help came to light last night at a screening of the new HBO show.

"If a percentage of minorities that's in your state has anything to do with how you connect with African-American voters, then Trent Lott would be Martin Luther King," he said to laughter and applause at the real debate.

In addition, Dr. Dean was shown using a line that he also used in the debate to argue that he could appeal to blacks, despite coming from an overwhelmingly white state, Vermont.

"I'll tell you why I connect with African-American audiences,"' he said. "I'm the only white politician that ever talks about race in front of white audiences."

Dr. Dean was later chastised by opponents who noted that many of the Democratic candidates regularly discussed racial issues with all audiences.



http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/13/politics/campaigns/13...


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acerbic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:35 AM
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33. Well, some people sure are habitual liars...
The claim: "the Dean campaign says he came up with the Trent Lott line himself"

Your "answer" to the question about where and when they said that:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/13/politics/campaigns/13...
doesn't actually say anything such.
Who are the habitual liars...? Just examine the evidence and :think:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:33 AM
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38. See Post 36. The Note had been on the record Sept. 10 that
the Dean folks said he came up with line himself. That was the OLD news that I thought everyone knew. The new news is Dean getting caught being untruthful - again. Which is getting to be old news.
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acerbic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 01:49 PM
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41. See post #39. That "proving" a claim with nothing but another claim
is getting really old, not to mention stubborn and obsessed.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. Your citation
does not support your claim.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:14 PM
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3. How do you know
That what Carville said on K Street wasn't scripted, based on a remark Dean made?
For all you know Dean said it during the prep and then they decided it would be fun to have it look like it came from Carville.


I think reading K Street like tea leaves will be a futile occupation.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:16 PM
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4. I heard Carville talk about this
He sounded surprised that the Trent Lott line was the only thing he lifted from the show.

I do get the feeling the Bushistas might dry and use this against him. (i.e., no original ideas, a kleptomaniac with words, etc.)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:29 PM
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8. Don't worry about it ..Dean has Plenty of "original ideas"....and
I want to hear more about this before there's any passing of judgement.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:53 PM
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20. Let me know
When he actually shows evidence of having them
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:48 PM
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17. Carville did say it was from the show too. I heard Carville say
it on Crossfire with my own ears.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:13 PM
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26. No way * would bring this up!
It would bring up the whole Trent Lott racism saga again.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:17 PM
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5. More desperation
This is getting stale and moldy.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:23 PM
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6. And Gore "invented the internet." The next best thing to lying is
accusing your opponent of lying. Also, the man has speechwriters working for him--they could have slipped something they heard in.

Let's talk about Bush lies . . . they're a lot worse.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:55 PM
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21. Nice try but...
1. Carville did admit on Crossfire that he gave the line to Dean and he used it.

2. We all heard him use it.

3. This morning Dean said that he didn't get the line from Carville.

Who do I believe? Carville or Dean? I trust Carville.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:24 PM
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7. link?
When did Dean say they had come up with the line themselves?
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:37 PM
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9. He told ABC's The Note last week that he had, unfortunately no archive yet
I'll post again tomorrow or the next day when they have last Wednesday's The Note in the archive. But they said the campaign insisted it was his line and The Note editorialized that they certianly hope it doesn't come out that it was someone elses line.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Hey BJ...where is the link?
Ya got to have a link..... :shrug:
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:16 AM
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36. Link to the Note
From the day after the debate:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/The...

And the campaign swears that Dean thought up the line about MLK himself. For the second time this week, The Note is breathless.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:34 AM
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39. I went a looked
and they have no citation at all. We have no idea to whom they talked, when they talked to them, or for that matter what the person actually said. You posted the entirety of what they had. BTW in the future if you post a sentence from a piece that is literally pages long could you please give some idea of where in the piece it was? I had to scan the piece twice to find it and had you given the header above it I wouldn't have had to do that. Thanks.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:39 PM
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10. Why do you say that the Dean campaign said that?
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 10:41 PM by babzilla
No one in Dean's campaign ever said that he wrote that line.

If you watched the show you must know that he was being prepped for the debate by Carville & Begala and that they gave him that line. He thought it was a good line and used it. End of story.

Here are the statements on the Dean blog from Begala & Carville:

Begala and Carville: Dean on K Street
Hey, bloggers. This is Paul Begala and James Carville (Paul's on the keyboard, James is on the phone. He's not the most computer literate guy in the world.)

We just wanted to let you know about K Street - a new series debuting on HBO Sunday night at 10:35 eastern. This isn't a commercial, though. We wanted to let you know that your man, Howard Dean, is our featured guest star.

The show, like Gov. Dean, is completely unscripted. Not to give the plot away, but James plays a political consultant/lobbyist who volunteers to prepare Gov. Dean for the Congressional Black Caucus debate. This thoroughly pisses-off his Republican wife, Mary Matalin. So he recruits Paul to help out.

In a gutsy and unconventional move, Gov. Dean agreed not only to appear on the program (as do various Republican Senators) but also to let James and Paul do debate prep with him - as Steven Soderbergh, George Clooney and others filmed it. The prep was real - we did it on Monday in anticipation of the CBC debate on Tuesday. We offered him our best and most honest advice. Like any smart person, he took some of it, rejected some of it, and modified some of it.

Because of our "Crossfire" gig, we can't play favorites. We've given advice to every major presidential candidate. But if you like Dean, you'll like him on K Street. He was very funny - did an impression of James that is spot-on. He was also very real. He forgot about the cameras (they're small and the camera operators are very unobtrusive) and the result is an authentic behind-the-scenes look at Gov. Dean preparing for the debate. We offered the governor a few lines, just as we always did for President Clinton. He used one of them - and we hope he uses them all as the campaign progresses.

Again, while we can't and won't endorse anyone in the primaries, both of us were impressed with Gov. Dean and his campaign. They took a big chance, and we think it pays off. Millions of people who never watch "Crossfire" or "Meet the Press" will see Gov. Dean on HBO Sunday night. They'll see an unvarnished, unscripted, plain-speaking guy who really wants to take the fight to President Bush. In a world in which too many politicians are seen as phonies, Gov. Dean comes across as the real thing. What you see is what you get.

We had fun, and hope Gov. Dean did. K Street is groundbreaking television--part fiction, part reality show, part documentary. We hope you like the show. We know you'll like how your candidate did.

Paul Begala and James Carville

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:53 PM
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19. You're right. No on in Dean's campaign said it. DEAN said..
it this morning on This Week. Didn't you watch "This Week?"
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:01 PM
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24. yes I saw "This Week"
and no I didn't see Dean say that he came up with that line.

Please enlighten me as to when he said that.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:09 PM
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25. Steph pressed him and pressed him about it.. And you didn't
see or hear it???? I have no explanation for that.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:14 PM
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27. Gee, I don't remember the pressing and pressing either
are you sure it was "This Week"?

Where were they while this pressing was happening? Maybe that will trigger something.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 12:22 AM
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29. any explanation yet?
just a hint would be helpful.
What scene did the pressing and pressing occur in?
The car, the park, the greek fest? WHERE? You saw it right?
Fess up already.
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 04:16 AM
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30. Transcript??
I watched and didn't hear anything related to this remark.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 07:39 AM
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35. Went and checked
The most recent transcript available is for September 7. When it becomes available, you can buy a transcript for $19.95. I couldn't find it for free. Enquiring minds want to know if this accusation is for real, but not $19.95 worth.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 08:38 AM
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40. I watched this too
and you need to put up or apologize here and now. I don't remember any such thing. You have been asked where they were when this mysterious pressing went on. Well, you need to answer. I realize Dean bashers think evidence is passe but it isn't.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 01:57 PM
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42. here is the explanation
It never happened, there was no pressing and no mention of the line on "This Week".

What is your explanation for claiming that it did happen?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:41 PM
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12. scandal!
right up there with Kerry "lying" about his prostate!
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:44 PM
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14. Uh, K Street is fictionalized...
Clooney's described the program as being put together the week it's shown (as in the week SINCE the debate on the 7th), in response to current political events. So they heard the line, thought it sounded like something prepared, and reverse engineered the story (such as it was) to fit.

Overall, the show was pretty dreadful, except it was kind of cool to see Dean doing his Carville impersonation telling a joke.

More likely repugs will target Dean for appearing in this fiction show as himself, saying he's not taking the campaign seriously or whatever... no, wait, it will demonstrate that Dean's in cahoots with all those Hollywood Commie Libs like Clooney.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:47 PM
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16. I stand corrected.
Sorry... I was going based on Clooney's promos...
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:16 PM
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28. Wrong, his debate prep was filmed on Monday
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:50 PM
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18. There's no way you can say he said that. Begala posted on the Dean blog.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 11:00 PM by w4rma
Saturday, September 13, 2003
Begala and Carville: Dean on K Street

Hey, bloggers. This is Paul Begala and James Carville (Paul's on the keyboard, James is on the phone. He's not the most computer literate guy in the world.)

We just wanted to let you know about K Street - a new series debuting on HBO Sunday night at 10:35 eastern. This isn't a commercial, though. We wanted to let you know that your man, Howard Dean, is our featured guest star.

The show, like Gov. Dean, is completely unscripted. Not to give the plot away, but James plays a political consultant/lobbyist who volunteers to prepare Gov. Dean for the Congressional Black Caucus debate. This thoroughly pisses-off his Republican wife, Mary Matalin. So he recruits Paul to help out.

In a gutsy and unconventional move, Gov. Dean agreed not only to appear on the program (as do various Republican Senators) but also to let James and Paul do debate prep with him - as Steven Soderbergh, George Clooney and others filmed it. The prep was real - we did it on Monday in anticipation of the CBC debate on Tuesday. We offered him our best and most honest advice. Like any smart person, he took some of it, rejected some of it, and modified some of it.

Because of our "Crossfire" gig, we can't play favorites. We've given advice to every major presidential candidate. But if you like Dean, you'll like him on K Street. He was very funny - did an impression of James that is spot-on. He was also very real. He forgot about the cameras (they're small and the camera operators are very unobtrusive) and the result is an authentic behind-the-scenes look at Gov. Dean preparing for the debate. We offered the governor a few lines, just as we always did for President Clinton. He used one of them - and we hope he uses them all as the campaign progresses.

Again, while we can't and won't endorse anyone in the primaries, both of us were impressed with Gov. Dean and his campaign. They took a big chance, and we think it pays off. Millions of people who never watch "Crossfire" or "Meet the Press" will see Gov. Dean on HBO Sunday night. They'll see an unvarnished, unscripted, plain-speaking guy who really wants to take the fight to President Bush. In a world in which too many politicians are seen as phonies, Gov. Dean comes across as the real thing. What you see is what you get.

We had fun, and hope Gov. Dean did. K Street is groundbreaking television--part fiction, part reality show, part documentary. We hope you like the show. We know you'll like how your candidate did.

Paul Begala and James Carville

Posted by Guest Writer at 02:49 PM
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001441.html
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 04:22 AM
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31. All I can say is
when you continuously fling shit, you begin to stink like - big surprise- shit.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 06:50 AM
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34. Hey, man....
I am another Dean skeptic, so I understand a little bit about where your posts come from. But this kind of posting, especially when it is erroneous, begins to dilute the REAL problems that we have with Dean.

I can't find any where, here or any where else, where Dean said that he came up with that line on his own. If he said that on "This Week", I can't find where he said it. All of the debaters, including Kerry, get help prepping for the debates. All of the candidates have people who help them come up with snappy one liners that will be remembered by voters.

Dean will do something else that you can write a legit post on, that's a given. Just let this other stuff float on by, cause it lessens the impact when something real does happen.
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