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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:13 PM
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Why Iowa is key to nomination
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 03:15 PM by Nicholas_J
FAR FROM SETTLED
Although former Vermont governor Howard Dean leads Gephardt as the frontrunner in the latest Iowa opinion poll, political veterans here say many of the state’s Democrats are far from having settled on a candidate.
Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, North Carolina Sen. John Edwards or Florida Sen. Bob Graham could grow as threats to Dean and Gephardt.
Dean has made himself the favorite in Iowa, by the force of his personality and by the amount of time he has lavished on the state — spending 62 days here so far, more than any of his rivals.
“That’s why the early polls show Dean doing well — because people know who is and they’ve heard him,” said Rob Tully, the former head of the Iowa Democratic Party and co-chairman of the Edwards campaign in the state.
Tully added that 75 percent of those polled in the summer change their minds by the time the caucuses take place in January.
“I think that’s absolutely true,” said David Barnhart, the western Iowa regional director for Kerry’s campaign. “Most everyone we talked to is very undecided. And the people that have decided, it’s soft support.”
A contender can’t close the sale merely by running television ads on the 6 p.m. news, although Edwards is now doing that in the Des Moines media market.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/950661.asp?0sl=-23#BODY


Perhaps Dean being ahead in Iowa SO early is a GOOD thing for everyone else.
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Nazgul35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:16 PM
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1. thanks for that poll...
showing that it's all name recognition at this point nick!!!
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:28 PM
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2. Oddly enough
THis means that in Iowa, it is name recognition for Dean.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:09 PM
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4. Yeah, people in Iowa have never heard of Kerry.
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 04:10 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
Whats he been in the Senate for, Nic? 19 years? Never heard of him.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:02 PM
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7. Actually
I doubt I could name the senators on 3/4 of the states. MOST people do not know who the senatrors of states outside of their own regions are, unless they are reminded at election times. SORRY, this one just wont spin the way you want.

DSean was campaigning in Iowa on Vermont time. He was doing so during his last six months as governor and WOULDNT give his schedule out.
Dean has been in Ioww campaigning more times than ALL OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES put together.


Now the wisdom of the other candidates is becoming very apparant to me.

Dean's message will be old news, when the other candidates start heavily campaigning after labor day, and the fact that 75 percent of all Iowans will switch their choiice VERY, VERY likely to hurt Dean rather than help him.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:25 PM
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11. That's because you're not paying attention.
Listen to a couple of roll call votes...

Akaka
Alexander
Allard....
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:53 PM
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3. This proves one of the American myths can sometimes come true
Hard work pays off.

Dean knew he had name recognition problems and developed a strategy to overcome it. Obviously, his strategy and message are winners so far.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:45 PM
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5. Dean deserves his lead
in Iowa since he has worked the state so agressively. Actually he is statistically tied with Gephardt in one poll and behind Gep in another. Still he has done a good job. The letter writing campaign to undecided Iowans was also helpful. It is hustle, hard work, message, and innovative ideas that have aided Dean.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:53 PM
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6. Gephardt= 32 years of national exposure.
Kerry= 19 years.
Lieberman= 14 years
Graham= 17 years
_______________________
82 years of national exposure


Dean= 10 months.

Think about it.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:37 PM
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8. Patience, patience. This thing is just heating up.
Plenty more time to win over undecideds. At some point, voters have to seriously weigh the realities. Who can really beat Bush*

It's wonderful that Dean has set up an internet campaign. But that's not going to help much with rural voters, minority voters - the heart and soul of the Democratic party.

That's not Dean's constituency. And wishing just does not make it so.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:39 PM
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14. No wishing going on.
See ya in March.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:14 PM
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18. So true
I understand three is some serious looking into Vermont Agriculture under Dean about to be discusses in the Iowa Media soon.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:41 PM
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9. Rummy settle down!! Kerry's now running as an 'outsider', never heard
of him.

Dean '04
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:35 PM
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13. Heard of who?
:shrug:
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:30 PM
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12. National exposure?
I didn't know congress was such a hit on MTV!

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:41 PM
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15. Fair enough.
82 years of a minor trickle.
Or, 10 months.

It's all relative.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:19 PM
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10. When they find out about
Dean's record, however, shows just the opposite. Remember, when Dean took office there were no Wal-Marts in Vermont; there was no Home Depots; Burlington's downtown was dominated by local stores not the national chains that now rule the roost; there were 36% more small farmers in existence; there were no 100,000-hen mega-farms; and sprawl wasn't a word on the tip of everyone's tongue.

Interestingly, Dean told the Free Press last week that he wished the rest of "the country were more like Vermont." But it certainly seems Dean has been doing his best to make Vermont more like the rest of the country.

Stephanie Kaplan, a leading environmental lawyer and the former executive officer of Vermont's Environmental Board, has seen the regulatory process under Dean become so slanted against environmentalists and concerned citizens that she hardly thinks its worth putting up a fight anymore


http://www.counterpunch.org/colby02222003.html

WHen I was listening to Kerrys Iowa Town Hall meeting, the Iowans were GREATLY concerned about people who were bringinng in enormous McFarms and putting small faily farms out of business.

Dean has the worse record of supporting small family famrs of any state governor.

Or how about:

The Vermont Egg Factory in Franklin County is a prime example. The Vermont Egg Factory has spent $11,000 in 1996 for lobbying. The Department of Agriculture knew about this project for at least a year before the public found out. There was ample evidence that this would be of great concern to the public. . In Maine and Connecticut, odor, traffic, fly infestation, environmental degradation and taxpayer costs have become the community's burden. And yet Graves has insisted on his option to use a complaint driven policy that gives him absolute power. Both section 4495 and the Large Farm Act take away local control and give it to exclusively to the commissioner.

Mr. Graves has worked closely with the owner of the Vermont Egg Factory: Mr. Breton, and his agents, helping them to anticipate problems. He went as far as skewing testimony at the Environmental Board hearing on behalf of Mr. Breton and factory farming in general. Mr. Graves created his own data to make the facility seem smaller. The plans filed with the Department of Agriculture show the final phase with a total of one million chickens; this was never mentioned in Mr. Graves' testimony.

Aerial spraying of Vermont's forests became an important issue when Mr. Graves did not follow the Agriculture Department's own rules for allowing a public review process, including advisement from the Vermont Pesticide Advisory Council. These rules were created to reduce pesticide dependence and usage in Vermont. Were Monsanto and Champion influencing his opinion?

USDA Secretary of Agriculture Mike Espy was fired because he accepted gifts and trips by Tyson Foods. It is illegal for the secretary to accept favors from those he is supposed to regulate. Vermonters deserve the same protection. Leon Graves spent many days wining and dining Lucien Breton of the Vermont Egg Factory and he was overly concerned about Dan Smith's lobbying payments. At the very least he is guilty of the appearance of impropriety by being overly friendly with those that he, and only he, is authorized to regulate. Representative democracy should involve more than just lobbyists and state bureaucrats, but also the citizens and the communities who have to live with the results.

http://together.net/~wudchuck/987_watchman_34.html

Deans LEON GRAVES.


Or how about:

Crisis in Agriculture in Vermont
A Special Report about Governor Howard Dean's Agriculture Department
From Vermonters for a Clean Environment, Inc.

March 20, 2002

DAFM is not responsive, is not providing a high level of service, is not regulating pesticide use, is not providing information, and is not supportive of Vermont's dairy farmers. Something is terribly wrong when our agriculture policies expose Vermonters to unhealthy pesticides and infringe on the economic viability of our family farms. Vermonters should have a right to farm, but no one, not even farmers, have a right to pollute the waters of the state, nor do they have the right to expose neighbors to the increased risk of birth defects or cancers by their misuse of highly toxic pesticides. The right to farm that DAFM is protecting in Highgate is factory food production, at the expense of the family farm. Allowing collateral damage is not acceptable agricultural practice.

The legislature set up the Vermont Pesticide Advisory Council “to suggest programs for wise and effective pesticide use that lead to an overall reduction in the use of pesticides in Vermont.” In its 15 years of existence, VPAC has not dealt with the subject of the use of pesticides in agriculture.

Our Governor, our legislators and our courts have failed to protect Vermonters from the big money, corporate farming and chemical company interests whose agenda is being carried out by the current Agriculture Czar.


http://www.vtce.org/deancrisisagvt.html

This stuff is not widely known in Iowa...

The small Iowan farmer is terrified of things like the Vermont Egg Farm of Lucien Breton.

This stuff about Dean is not widely known in Iowa...

But I can promise you...It will be soon.







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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:31 PM
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16. So Gephardt has much more name recognition in
Iowa, and Dean is still beating him. Hmmmm..... looks like Dean has nowhere to go but up.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 10:49 PM
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17. Don't confuse him with facts. n/t


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