Proof that Nader is going to get Bush elected

[php1949]

Up until today, all the national polls had Kerry ahead of Bush by about 10 to 12 points. The latest poll, introduced on the Lou Dobbs show on CNN had Bush one point ahead of Kerry with the missing 6% of Kerry's support going to Nader. The polls changed from:

two weeks ago:
Kerry: 54%
Bush: 42%

this week:
Kerry: 44%
Bush: 45%
Nader: 6%

So why don't the Nader supporters just admit it: you are really working for Bush.

[YNGW]

1. Who believes polls 8 months before the election? Not I.

Stick around here though. You'll find many who think these polls are worth consideration.

Not I.

[vi5]

2. Here is my take on this.....

Kerry JUST sealed up the nomination. There are still a lot of wounds yet to heal on people whose candidates lost. I'm sure justified or no, many are taking that out on Kerry and in these polls.

And right or not it is a way for them to get Kerry to not take the disenchanted voters of his primary opponents and what they stood for, for granted.

Once he picks a nominee and once people see some of these polls and realize what is at stake this will change.

[KissMyAsscroft]

3. This poll is being freeped!!

Think about it.

If you are a Republican, and you are asked this poll question...what would you say? I would say Nader....to piss gullible people off!

These Republicans that are freeping these polls are lucky that they have suckers at forums like these to fall for it and post this crap 200 times a day.

[papau]

8. This is an Ipsos real poll - can't be freeped.

Nader number is 3 times higher than I expected,

But I'll wait for the Zogby poll before I begin to worry.

[liberalnurse]

4. This Election is kerry's to win or loose.

Nader is not the problem. The question for the Democratic Party to assess: Is kerry even half as strong as Gore was in 2000?

[DevinDNC]

10. Kerry is more electable then a stiff like Gore will ever be

Nader is not the problem. The question for the Democratic Party to assess: Is kerry even half as strong as Gore was in 2000?


Kerry is a heck of alot better and more intelligent then a stiff like Al Gore. Gore proved his political muscle by endorsing Howard Dean...and look where Dean is now.

[lastknowngood]

14. That is what nader said in 2000 but do you really want a repeat

of that?

[liberalnurse]

15. Well, this election is not a stacked deck.....

nor is the fix in either. kerry has to win this on his own merit.

[Chicago Democrat]

17. I think so.

Kerry seems reasoned and nuanced... That explains the so-called flip-flops. He changes because we all change.

We mostly were all for NAFTA: It turned out to be a disaster and Kerry reflects that.

We mostly were all for making Saddam disarm: It turns out that Bushco lied and snookered most of us.

We mostly were all for the Patriot Act: Who would have thought Ashcroft would use it for everything underthe sun except fighting terrorism.

Kerry is a moderate liberal. We didn't nominate Kucinich.

After this outrageous nightmare the last 3 1/2 years has been, I'll take moderate liberal any day.

[lovedems]

5. I highly doubt Nader will get 6% of the votes.

I haven't seen or heard Nader since the MTP interview. I don't have cable so that doesn't mean much but I doubt he will get 6%. Surely people aren't that stupid.

[Canadian Liberal]

21. Relax!

I agree and besides he will not be able to get on all the ballots in 50 states.

[ashling]

22. Nader may not get on the ballot in all 50,

but it only takes one . . .

:bounce: :dem:

[DevinDNC]

6. Most people who support Nader are EX-Dean people

I would hope that the people who are supporting Nader (otherwise known as Dean supporters) would be smart enough to know that every vote for Nader is a vote away from a REAL American like Kerry, and a vote for an anti-American like Bush...but considering they backed a loser like Dean, I won't hold my breath.

[aquart]

16. Welcome to DU.

I voted Dean. I do not support Nader in any way shape or form.

But I would have to worry a lot about supporting anyone YOU support. Fortunately, I don't. I now support Kerry.

[Sandpiper]

7. I sincerely doubt that Nader pulls in

6% of the vote.

[Cronus Protagonist]

9. Has it occurred to you that the pollsters may be skewing it that way?

I want to know what the question they asked was and what the margin of error is. If it's a web poll, it's worth less than the paper it's written on, literally.

"FUCK BUSH" Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[Liberal Veteran]

12. Margin of error was +/- 3.5 percent.

I don't think it's a big deal.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Two problems with this theory...

1) Nader, even with the Green party backing him only managed to acheive a 2.7 percent of the vote in 2000. It's hardly likely that MORE people are going to vote for him after what happened last time.

2) Without a major party behind him (and that includes the Greens) it's unlikely that he will even be able to get himself on the ballot in most states which means the odds of him capturing 6% of the vote as a write in candidate much more unlikely.

[php1949]

13. Thanks. That make me feel a little better

You make sense and I think/hope you are right. The poll was probably bogus.

[DrRock]

18. nader

We don't need to worry about the 6% that will vote for Nader. We need to worry about the 50-60% that don't vote at all. Get them fired up ANY WAY YOU CAN! Let them know how badly Bush & Co. are screwing them over. SPREAD THE WORD!!! I know this seems elementary, but face it, in this country, people are more concerned with Janet Jackson's tittie and Kobe Bryant's willy than they are with things that matter. WAKE PEOPLE THE HELL UP!! Talk to EVERYONE you know, and make sure that they vote. Grassroots, people, grassroots.

[SoonerShankle]

19. Dr. Rock,

You make the most sense of most of the stuff I've read so far. Why are we arguing amongst ourselves. We must pull together to find the ways to win this election. It will be the grassroots that make the difference this time around....

[Michael Costello]

20. How come Democrats don't care about non-voters?

As a group, eligible non-voters are more likely to be poor or working class than voters. In the 2000 election, 51% of eligible voters voted, 49% did not vote. 1.4% of eligible voters voted for Nader. Of Nader voters, exit polling shows only 46% of them would have voted for Gore if Nader had not run.

That means that last election, Gore only lost less than 0.7% of eligible voters to Nader. On the other hand, 49% of eligible voters DID NOT VOTE! Gore could have to tried appealing to them, but he was too busy being a DLC New Democrat - pushing NAFTA, for the death penalty, against single payer health care, for bigger military spending. I sincerely believe that the 49% of voters, many of whom are poor or working poor, are a group that the DLC *wants* alienated from politics. They don't want these people coming to the table and saying what they want.

Look at how much breath and energy is given trying to kill off this 0.7% who stand for everything Gore did not - anti-NAFTA, anti-death penalty, anti-military spending increases, for single payer health care. And look how much effort Gore, and apparently, Kerry supporters, spend criticizing a candidate for all of these things and trying to kill off his campaign instead of going to these 49% of voters and appealing to them, and maybe even, God forbid, letting them have a hand in running the party.

All I see is people trying to kill off a choice. No one has a gun to their head to vote for Nader. It is a Republicrat cabal of people trying to allow the voters no choice but to vote for a fiscally conservative, socially moderate/conservative candidate.

[MrSoundAndVision]

23. Yeah

Arguing that Nader will ruin the country by being an alternative to Bush and Kerry only goes to even further stray from the important matters which require genuine national debate. Nader is not ruining this country folks, it's the corporations, the establishment, a compliant media, an oligarchy of a Supreme Court, etc. These things need discussed. And it is the discussion of those issues which will attract new voters to the Democratic party, not incantations of Democratic unity.

[JNelson6563]

24. kick

:-)

[He loved Big Brother]

25. I am more worried

About the Dems who will vote for Bush, such as the 280,000 that did so in Florida.