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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:30 PM
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Check out what Dean's been saying about Dennis
CONCORD MONITOR NOTES DEAN'S CLAIMOn Saturday, Dec. 27, the Concord Monitor in Concord, NH, noted: "Dean recently mailed brochures to homes in New Hampshire with a headline stating that Dean is the only candidate who 'opposed the war from the start.'"Here is an image taken from the brochure, which the Dean campaign has mailed to people in New Hampshire and other states:
It's hard to believe that Dean supporters would stand for this kind of misrepresentation. We won't stand for it.WHAT YOU CAN DO:1.--Contact all of your friends who are Dean supporters.2.--Contact the media and ask them why they are not asking Dean about his misrepresentation. Remember to be polite and keep to the point. Make each communication unique. No form letters.Here are Email addresses for letters to the editor:
http://www.kucinich.us/responses_contacts.phpHere are phone numbers for talk shows:
http://www.kucinich.us/responses_phones.htmHere are a few key places to contact:New York Times News Desk phone 212-556-7356, fax 212-556-7614,
Email [email protected] Angeles Times News Desk phone 213-237-7001, fax: 213-237-4712.Washington Post Political Desk phone 202-334-7410, fax 202-334-3883.USA Today News Desk phone 703-854-7121, fax 703-854-2078.WHAT THE FACTS ARE:As you all know so well, Dennis Kucinich led the effort against the war in the House of Representatives, is the only candidate who voted against the war, is the only candidate who consistently opposed the war from the beginning and continues to oppose it now, and is the only candidate with an exit strategy. His "Prayer for America" speech against the buildup to war in February 2002 catalyzed this campaign. Rev. Al Sharpton and Ambassador Carol Mosley-Braun also opposed the war.

The war is not over. Soldiers are dying every day. And Dean would like to continue the military occupation of Iraq for "a few years," as he said in the debate on December 9th. Dennis is campaigning on his record of opposition to the war and his plan to end it in 90 days.
Dean's flyer and mass mailing effectively calls Dennis a liar. People have begun asking Dennis whether he really opposed the war. Dean knows the truth. After we complained in October about his similar misrepresentations in TV ads in New Hampshire, he acknowledged Dennis' leadership against the war at an AFL-CIO forum and stopped running the ads. He later acknowledged Dennis' courage on this issue during a national debate. And yet he continues to use a flyer that says "Only Dean Opposed the War from the Start."If Dr. Dean chooses to gloss over the inconsistencies of the positions he took during the first stage of this war, that's his business. But when he denies Dennis's record, that becomes our business, and
it ought to be the business of the media. Dean is misrepresenting a material fact, and doing so despite his demonstrated knowledge of the truth. It is the media's responsibility to find out why he is doing this. The public has a right to know.Here is information on who opposed the war when:
http://www.kucinich.us/antiwar.php



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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:41 PM
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1. I think this is blown out of context.....
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 05:45 PM by liberalnurse
Another thing, we all know where Kucinich stands on the issues...and are proud of his stance.

We have much bigger problems ....this is juvenile in behavior to spit-spat over little things of neglegable consequence. *bush on the other hand is at Critical Mass.


I shall point out that Dean too opposed the War.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:47 PM
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2. Howard Dean is a liar
Anyone who wants an honest president should not be supporting Howard Dean.

I won't support him no matter what.

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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:56 PM
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4. same here - I agree
DEAN is just another shill and another liar. Proven! Is DEAN afraid of Dennis Kucinich? Seems to be the case!!!

Sickening! :puke: :puke: :puke:

I'm with you - I won't vote for him either. Hell, I'll write in DK if it comes down to it!!!





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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 07:41 AM
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pezcore64 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 11:32 PM
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27. lol
show me a politician who hasnt EVER lied , and ill give you something neat.

Gees people, most everyone lies. One of those human flaws we are born with. Yeah, some people do it way more than others, but to act like the person you support has NEVER EVER told a lie is pretty arrogant and id like to know what sheltered pure world you come from, cause id like to go there. lol!
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:03 PM
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6. I have never considered
lying something to "spit -spat" over. He did this before, was called on it, said some nice things during a debate and then does it all over again. A "little thing"? I think not. Dean is showing me and others that he can't be trusted and that the truth is not important, only the goal. Sorry, I could have voted for him before but now? I just do not think I can.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 09:43 PM
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:52 PM
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3. More lies eh Dean?
I got the same email from DK! :mad: Howie against the war? Sense WHEN?

What a liar you are DEAN! YOU said he'd even give 'em another $87 billion! You gonna lie about that too DEAN? Go suck on that one Howie! Hell, I'd vote for Clark before I'd vote for another big opportunistic LIAR like you DEAN! :puke:

In the meantime, its Dennis Kucinich until the end for me and a NO for DEAN too no matter what! I cannot stand anymore liars, and DEAN is just another one of them! :mad:





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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 07:46 AM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:59 PM
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5. Oh, I wanted to let you know that I asked the other poster......
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 06:03 PM by madfloridian
the one whose thread was locked, who was talking about the Dean staffer but refusing to name them.....I asked them to name the person. I sent them a private message saying that if you guys will name the person, we will contact the campaign.

Since I am NOT receiving an answer, I will contact the Kucinich board and just assume the person has no proof it was a Dean person.

I expect a PM soon. I can not post to the locked thread, so maybe you can talk to them.

I am waiting. If we said such about Kucinich campaign, we would have to provide the source. The thread was just locked. Will show you in case you did not see it.

This is serious.
Here is the link to the locked thread. I will keep your post kicked for an answer.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=42976
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:04 PM
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7. The Dean supporter's name and contact info here
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 06:12 PM by ErasureAcer
shoot...just deleted what I had...gotta right it over again.

I think the person's name is Bob Rouillard from Rochester, MN.

Bob and Rochester are mentioned on the Kucinich Group.

If you go down to Sep 29 on this page
http://www.minnesotafordean.org/events/

you will rochester with a bob next to it.

click on the link and you will get his contact info.

what I wanted to add into my post but accidently deleted the whole thing...is I have no problem outing this person as this is all public info.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:10 PM
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8. Do you only think and suspect, or do you know for sure?
Was he posting on the Kucinich Yahoo group? Have you linked to him personally?

You use two words, think and suspect, but do you know for sure?

Today we just found an anti-Dean site that led to GOP supporters of Bush. It was for sure.

Do you know this for sure?
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:16 PM
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12. I'm willing to bet it is him.
As I said before...this Bob is from Rochester...that much is known from the DK yahoo group...he is also a leader for the Dean campaign there. His hosting of a Dean fundraiser seems to make that fit even better.

I haven't talked to the man...so I don't know...I'm willing to say I'm 99% sure it is him though.

sorry...about deleting my post...that was an accident...I thought I was actually making a new post...but somehow I was editing it...strange.

The info is back up now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:21 PM
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13. He is being contacted, the Dean campaign is being contacted.
The Kucinich people are really after us today. That is fine. It does not matter. I never had a problem with any of them on here before now.

However, this Bob was technically right. He should not have said it, but technically he was right.

Because he was "maybe sort of" speaking as Dean supporter, he will be contacted..

He does have a right to say these things as a private citizen. You can not say he does not.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:23 PM
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15. Willing to bet is not very sure.
Now that I think about it.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 11:12 PM
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26. in the end
it appears I was 100% right...my 99% sure comes through again.

:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:11 PM
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10. Then why did you edit your post before I got the info copied down?
Why?
:shrug:
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:10 PM
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9. the TRUTH from DK's campaign!
On Saturday, Dec. 27, the Concord Monitor in Concord, NH, noted: "Dean recently mailed brochures to homes in New Hampshire with a headline stating that Dean is the only candidate who 'opposed the war from the start.'"

Here is an image taken from the brochure, which the Dean campaign has mailed to people in New Hampshire and other states:



It's hard to believe that Dean supporters would stand for this kind of misrepresentation. We won't stand for it.

Dean's flyer and mass mailing effectively calls Dennis a liar. People have begun asking Dennis whether he really opposed the war. Dean knows the truth. After we complained in October about his similar misrepresentations in TV ads in New Hampshire, he acknowledged Dennis' leadership against the war at an AFL-CIO forum and stopped running the ads. He later acknowledged Dennis' courage on this issue during a national debate. And yet he continues to use a flyer that says "Only Dean Opposed the War from the Start."

If Dr. Dean chooses to gloss over the inconsistencies of the positions he took during the first stage of this war, that's his business. But when he denies Dennis's record, that becomes our business, and it ought to be the business of the media. Dean is misrepresenting a material fact, and doing so despite his demonstrated knowledge of the truth. It is the media's responsibility to find out why he is doing this. The public has a right to know.

:dem: :kick:
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Deesh Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:15 PM
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11. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but --
-- I didn't realize there was so much rancor between the Dean and Kucinich camps. I knew that Kerry's and Lieberman's camps and Dean's camp all had issues with each other in New Hampshire, since all of them are New Englanders fighting for another New England state's votes.

Was the brochure distributed with an implied intent of persuading Kucinich voters to switch to Dean?

This one really threw me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:22 PM
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14. There hasn't been, but there is now.
Dean has been saying the same things all along. It is just free for all time here at DU, and it is hurting all of us.

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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:47 PM
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16. Dean's lies could cost the Democrats the Presidency
When all the Democrats find out he's lying, they'll feel betrayed and then they'll stay home in November.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:55 PM
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17. Ok, here you go.
Dean repeatedly said he was the only major candidate who opposed the war. That is true.

I admired Kucinich and Ritter working on the lies about the war. I watched them on C-Span, and I was proud of them.

However, you guys are twisting Dean's words around all over the place. He is NOT anti war, has said so all along, he just is anti-Iraq war.

Even MoneyLine helped Dean tonight by pointing out the attacks.

Go for it. I am just surprised though.
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HPLeft Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 10:26 PM
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24. Does this sound like an anti-Iraq war candidate to you?
On Feb. 20, Dean told Salon.com that "if the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."

Of course, in the make-believe land of the 2004 Democratic Primaries, such obvious evidence of Dean duplicity is proving less than convincing. After all, if the great man indeed said this, and then claimed he was always against this war, he would be a foul liar, and everyone who continue to fund his disinformation campaign would feel rather badly about their choice. And we can't have that, can we.

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HPLeft Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 10:15 PM
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23. Actually it's much worse that than
If elected, Dean will cruelly disappoint his progressive supporters, and lead to even greater cynicism than before he began his con game. The Dean campaign is centered on one core issue - Howard's ambition. He has completely reinvented himself for this campaign.

Imagine Faust as a Presidential Candidate. Then imagine Howard Dean.

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