Is this scene considered rape ?

[UndertheOcean]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9KAqhbIZ7o


To my eyes it seems so ... or maybe , it has at least a very uncomfortable amount of coercion.

Was there any condemnation for this when the film first came out ?

[Blue-Jay]

1. I don't want to click on that.

[auntAgonist]

2. I won't click on it either. sorry.

[jotsy]

3. No thanks

[Bucky]

4. It's only YouTube, ya chickenshits. I'll click on it and report back.

[Bucky]

8. Judge Bucky's official ruling...

It's complicated. But given the fact that she's a replicant, and therefor under the age of five, it's considerably more than rape--or maybe less if a higher court rules that replicants are toys rather than people and thus have no legal rights.

Taken on purely human terms, however, Sean Young did express a clear "no" at least twice to Harrison Ford, who then physically restrained her from leaving the premises, and then had conjectural knowledge of her naughty bits. Categorically this is rape. That said, I doubt she'd be willing to press charges, since the scene the next morning clearly shows that she's smitten with him.

Movies in the 60s and 70s were just full of those "her lips said 'no' but her eyes said 'now'" mixed messages. I'm a little surprised they were still doing that in the 80s, but the director underplayed it enough that it takes a culturally enlightened eye to say, "Wait, that's actually illegal."

It's appalling to us now, but 40 years ago society really didn't get the notion that there's no gray area involved in the message: "No sex tonight, Harrison." Not just movie makers, but all sorts of men were acculturated in the notion of "she needs to be tamed", "a husband has his rights", and "she was beggin' for it all along." Ugly, but true.

Of course, we don't know for a fact that they had sex in that movie. After all, Han shot first.

[blogslut]

11. I shall throw a wrench in your judging

Certain folk claim that Ford's character in the film was also a replicant. If he was, indeed, a replicant, doesn't that change the issue?

[Bucky]

16. Ah, shit. I thought you said a "wench" and I got all excited

I'm one of those judges who doesn't wear pants under my robe, so I could probably fit a nice wench down there...


if she's a midget.





PS, whoever claims Decker was a replicant didn't read the book and didn't really pay attention to the movie. Anyway, by 2030, I'm sure California will have no problems charging 5 year olds as adults.

[blogslut]

18. I have not read the book

I just know that Ridley Scott said that, in his film, Deckard was a replicant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/825641.stm

[Demoiselle]

22. Um, Bucky....

You said he had "conjectural knowledge of her naughty bits." Does that mean he just imagined what they were like?
Or were you going for "conjugal?"
I prefer "conjectural, " actually. Sounds more artistic.
I saw this movie a long time ago and can't remember this particular scene very well.
So I'm currently conjecturing too.

[Duer 157099]

21. I never read the original, but it was published in 1968

So even though the film was made in the 80s the story was from the 60s.

But since I never read the story, I don't know if this particular scene is actually in the book (or was it a short story? not sure).

[BarenakedLady]

5. Won't go there

[blogslut]

6. I'd say this scene is closer to rape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M25sE8Ccapc

[Bucky]

13. I don't think they even had spousal rape case law back in the 1930s

While Rhett clearly rapes her by our lights, legally speaking he was well within his rights by 1930s or 1870s standards.

[blogslut]

15. Sigh

Sad, isn't it?

[Twillig]

7. Is there some shame in providing any information about

what the title or content of a YouTube link contains?

Helpful would have been:

"this concerns the film Bladerunner."

"this is the title of the clip: Blade Runner-Love Theme-Full version"

FFS!

[blogslut]

9. The scene I posted

Is from Gone with the Wind.

[Twillig]

12. I wasn't talking to you.

I figured it was something cheeky anyway, so, no worries.

[blogslut]

14. I suppose I deserve that

But actually, I was being serious. That scene from GWTW is seriously fucked up yet is supposedly considered one of the most "romantic" scenes in film history.

[Bucky]

17. Speaking of which...

here's an interesting pdf file: The Prevalence of Rape and Sexually Aggressive Behaviors in Hollywood Movies

It's a NOW report on Hollywood's seeming blasé attitude toward sexual violence.

By the way, don't ever try googling "rape in hollywood movies". You don't get helpful suggestions.

[blogslut]

19. Thanks

I'll download and read it sometime. :)

[XemaSab]

20. Eh, this is exactly the kind of work that only discredits real work on sex and violence in the media

Two of the films mentioned are on my top 10 list of favorite films of all time: Office Space and Mulholland Drive.

In Office Space, one of the dudes is listening to gangsta rap and he sees a black dude selling flowers by the side of the road and he surreptitiously locks the car door. I think this is less racist than it is anti-racist. The casual racism is a way of mocking the character, and setting up the kind of person he is.

Mulholland Drive is a gnarly film, and while it does not have any men overtly sexually abusing women, one could argue that there are women sexually abusing each other in the film. If a film was made about a man who took out a contract on his girlfriend after she started dating another man, and then later (after she and her lover had been killed) had a fantasy that his former girlfriend was totally helpless and that this helplessness made her sexually available to him, would the film not be seen as sexually violent? (Furthermore, there is a man hurting his unfaithful wife, a man slapping a prostitute on the rear, and a scene where a woman auditions for a part where she confronts her dad's friend who seduced or raped her.) This film is the bomb, but it's loaded with sexual violence.

In summary, were they watching the same films I was watching?

[Rabrrrrrr]

24. No shit. i'm so sick and tired of people posting shit "Watch this!!!!!!! Important!!!!!!!"

with no indication if it's a political debate, a music video, a clip from a movie, some damning documentary, or fucking whatnot.

Why do so many find it so goddamn difficult, in the midst of all their other typing, to type one more sentence offering some fucking context and direction/commentary as to why the poster thinks it's so fucking important.

i always do that, because I figure that if *I* think something is important enough to share, it's important enough to let people know why I'm sharing it and what they're going to be watching (or even reading, if it's a link to an article).

It's called COURTESY, people. Try to learn some of it.

[nolabear]

10. Srsly? Doesn't rape involve, you know, sex?

I mean, yeah, it was implied, but at worst it reminded me of The Continental.

[lazarus]

23. in the original take

It was a lot less rapy. The business where he's telling her what to do is prefaced by her telling him she doesn't know what to do, so it's more of a learning experience. I don't know why they edited it like it's edited in the final copy.