The Good news-I can run again. The Bad news-I have gout

[underpants]

So after finding out back in August that I had a broken leg (stress fracture) since April-ran a marathon on it
I have been wearing a Bone Growth Stimulator 10 hours a day (or there abouts) since.

Last weekend at my in-laws my ankle was KILLING ME. I was sure I had rebroken it. Turns out I have gout.

I thought gout was like scurvy or something but really it is like arthritis its just that usually it doesn't hit men in his 40's.

Doctor said today that I could run again (November marathon is OUT) but less than 5 miles. More time in the pool for me!!!

Check out the diet. The more Ph the better basically.

http://www.goutcure.com/goutcausfood.html

All of the foods belowcan be responsible for excessive uric acid production. Even though somedo not contain purines, they can still cause the system to naturallyproduce uric acid. They are as follows: alcohol, anchovies, asparagus,cauliflower, mushrooms, consommé, herring, meat gravies, broth,bouillon, mussels, sardines, red meats, organ meats, processed meats(hot dogs, lunch meats, etc.), fried foods, roasted nuts, any foodcooked in oil (heated oil destroys vitamin E), rich foods (cakes, sugarproducts, white flour products), dark greens vegetables, dried fruits,fish, caffeine, beans, lentils, eggs, oatmeal, peas, poultry, yeastproducts, acetaminophen, and low doses of aspirin.

While under a Gout Attack all of the above foods should be completely avoided as well as the following.

Extremely Acid Forming Foods - with a pH of 5.0 to 5.5
Artificial sweeteners, Carbonated soft drinks & fizzy drinks ,Cigarettes , Flour (white wheat), Goat, Lamb, Pastries & cakes fromwhite flour, Pork, Sugar, Beer, Brown sugar, Deer, Chocolate, Coffee ,Custard with white sugar, Jams, Jellies, Liquor , Pasta, Rabbit,Semolina, Table salt refined & iodized, Tea black, Turkey, BreadsWhite / Wheat, White rice, vinegar.

This list is a guide forunderstanding which foods are alkaline to the kidney eliminationprocess and which are acidifying to it. Uric acid elimination increasesas the urine reaches an alkaline pH state and is reduced as it becomesacidic. Urine at pH 7.0 is neutral and elimination of uric acid decreases by approximately 50% at pH 6.5.

Extremely Alkaline Forming Foods - pH 8.5 to 9.0:
Lemons, Watermelon , Agar Agar , Cantaloupe, Cayenne (Capsicum), Drieddates & figs, Kelp, Karengo, Kudzu root, Limes, Mango, Melons,Papaya, Parsley, Seedless grapes (sweet), Watercress, Seaweed
Moderate Alkaline Forming Foods - pH 7.5 to 8.0
Apples(sweet), Apricots, Alfalfa sprouts Arrowroot, Avocados, Bananas (ripe),Berries, Carrots, Celery, Currants, Dates & figs (fresh), Garlic ,Gooseberry, Grapes (less sweet), Grapefruit, Guavas, Herbs (leafygreen), Lettuce (leafy green), Nectarine, Peaches (sweet), Pears (lesssweet), Peas (fresh sweet), Persimmon, Pumpkin (sweet), Sea salt ,Spinach, Apples (sour), Bamboo shoots, Beans (fresh green), Beets, BellPepper, Broccoli, Cabbage, Carob , Daikon, Ginger (fresh), Grapes(sour), Kale, Kohlrabi, Lettuce (pale green), Oranges, Parsnip, Peaches(less sweet), Peas (less sweet), Potatoes & skin, Pumpkin (lesssweet), Raspberry, Sapote, Strawberry, Squash , Sweet corn (fresh),Tamari , Turnip, Sour Dairy
Slightly Alkaline to Neutral Forming Foods - pH 7.0
Almonds, Artichokes (Jerusalem), Barley-Malt (sweetener-Bronner), Brown RiceSyrup, Brussel Sprouts, Cherries, Coconut (fresh), Cucumbers, Eggplant, Honey (raw), Leeks, Miso, Okra, Olives ripe , Onions, Pickles(home made with brown rice vinegar), Radish, Sea salt , Spices , Taro,Tomatoes (sweet), Vinegar (sweet brown rice), Water Chestnut, Amaranth,Artichoke (globe), Chestnuts (dry roasted), Egg yolks (soft cooked),Goat's milk and whey (raw) , Horseradish, Mayonnaise (home made),Millet, Olive oil, Quinoa, Rhubarb, Sesame seeds (whole) , Sproutedgrains , Tempeh, Tofu, Tomatoes (less sweet)
Slightly Acid to Neutral Forming Foods - pH 7.0
Barley malt syrup, Barley, Bran, Cashews, Cereals (unrefined withhoney-fruit-maple syrup), Cornmeal, Fructose, Honey (pasteurized),Lentils, Macadamias, Maple syrup (unprocessed),Low Fat Milk(homogenized) and most processed dairy products, Molasses organic ,Nutmeg, Mustard, Pistachios, Popcorn (plain not microwaved), Rice orwheat crackers (unrefined), Rye (grain), Seeds (pumpkin &sunflower), Walnuts, Blueberries, Brazil nuts, Butter (salted), Cheeses(mild & crumbly) , Crackers (unrefined rye), Dry coconut, Eggwhites, Goats milk (homogenized), Pecans, Plums , Prunes , Butter(fresh unsalted), Cream (fresh & raw), Milk (raw cow's) , Whey(cow's)
ACID FORMING FOODS FATS & OILS
Avocado Oil, Canola Oil, Corn Oil, Hemp Seed Oil, Flax Oil, Lard, Olive Oil, Safflower Oil, Sesame Oil, Sunflower Oil
FRUITS
Cranberries
GRAINS
Rice Cakes, Wheat Cakes, Amaranth, Barley, Buckwheat, Oats (rolled), Quinoa, Rice, Rye, Spelt, Kamut, Wheat, Hemp Seed Flour
NUTS & BUTTERS
Cashews, Brazil Nuts, Peanuts, Processed Peanut Butter, Pecans, Tahini
ANIMAL PROTEIN
Beef, Carp, Clams, Fish, Lamb, Lobster, Mussels, Oyster, Pork, Rabbit, Salmon, Shrimp, Scallops, Tuna, Turkey, Venison
PASTA (WHITE)
Noodles, Macaroni, SpaghettiDistilled Vinegar, Wheat Germ
BEANS & LEGUMES
Black Beans, Chick Peas, Green Peas, Kidney Beans, Lentils, Lima Beans,Pinto Beans, Red Beans, Soy Beans, Soy Milk, White Beans, Rice Milk,Almond Milk
DRUGS & CHEMICALS
Aspartame, Chemicals, Drugs (Medicinal), Drugs (Psychedelic), Pesticides, Herbicides
ALCOHOL
Beer, Spirits, Hard Liquor, Wine
ACTIVITIES
Overwork, Anger, Fear, Jealousy, Stress
Moderate Acid - pH 6.0 to 6.5
Cigarette tobacco, Cream ofWheat (unrefined), Fish, Fruit juices with sugar, Maple syrup(processed), Molasses (sulphured), Pickles (commercial), Breads(refined) of corn, oats, rice & rye, Cereals (refined), cornflakes, Shellfish, Wheat germ, Whole Wheat foods , Wine , Yogurt(sweetened) Bananas (green), Buckwheat, Cheeses (sharp), Corn &rice breads, Egg whole (cooked hard), Ketchup, Mayonnaise, Oats, Pasta(whole grain), Pastry (wholegrain & honey), Peanuts, Potatoes (withno skins), Popcorn (with salt & butter), Rice (basmati), Rice(brown), Soy sauce (commercial), Tapioca, Wheat bread (sprouted organic)
Extremely Acid Forming Foods - pH 5.0 to 5.5
Artificialsweeteners, Beef, Carbonated soft drinks & fizzy drinks ,Cigarettes (tailor made), Drugs, Flour (white wheat), Goat, Lamb,Pastries & cakes from white flour, Pork, Sugar (white) , Beer ,Brown sugar , Chicken, Deer, Chocolate, Coffee , Custard with whitesugar, Jams, Jellies, Liquor , Pasta (white), Rabbit, Semolina, Tablesalt refined & iodized, Tea black, Turkey, Wheat bread, White rice,White vinegar (processed).

[Schema Thing]

1. My father had gout. His (almost) instant relief?

Cherries. Fresh in season, or just canned in water if not in season.


I've posted this a couple of times here for other posters who have gout, and I think at least one of them mentioned they too got relief this way.

[underpants]

6. I've read that

I have some Colchicine on hand in case. See post below :scared:

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. I'll second that.

Cherries in any reasonably pure form. Fresh, if you can get them. Dried if you can't. Cherry juice if it's unsweetened. I swear I was feeling better within hours, and it was probably cleared up within a day or so.

[RubyDuby in GA]

27. My father has gout too and cherries work every time with him.

[trof]

28. Do you eat them or make a poultice?

:rofl:

[Lyric]

2. Be careful. Increasing uric acid elimination can also lead to

an increased risk of uric acid kidney stones. I don't have gout, but I *do* have uric acid kidney stones. Hurts like nothing else in the world.

My urologist recommended consuming a lot of lemon juice to help dissolve the uric acid stones in my kidneys. Maybe that can also help dissolve the acid crystals in your ankle?

[underpants]

5. mmm lemon juice

:P

[DS1]

3. Jesus

Get gout, starve.

What's left? Even RICE is out :eyes:

[underpants]

4. Check out the side effects of Colchicine

It's so old it is NOT FDA approved. From the first century CE. My doctor doesn't like this stuff so I have to go to my GP tomorrow to get another treatment.

I HAVE FREAKIN' GOUT :eyes: luckily I have not gotten any of the side effects.

History

Colchicum extract was first described as a treatment for gout in De Materia Medica by Padanius Dioscorides in the first century CE.

The colchicine alkaloid was first isolated in 1820 by the two French chemists P.S. Pelletier and J. Caventon.<1>

It was later identified as a tricyclic alkaloid, and its pain-relieving and anti-inflammatory effects for gout were linked to its ability to bind with tubulin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchicine

SIDE EFFECTS

Adverse reactions in decreasing order of severity are: bone marrow depression, with aplastic anemia, with agranulocytosis or with thrombocytopenia may occur in patients receiving long-term therapy. Peripheral neuritis, purpura, myopathy, loss of hair, and reversible azoospermia have also been reported.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/colch_ad.htm

azoospermia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azoospermia

[DS1]

7. No more running for me

[ChromeFoundry]

8. I went to the ER with awful joint pain in my big toe...

the doc thought maybe gout, shot me up with some heavy duty pain killers + steroids and prescribed Colchicine with the following instructions...

"Take one tablet every hour until the pain subsides, or you SHIT YOURSELF!"

Not exactly my idea of a great solution if you cannot run to the bathroom in a moments notice!

I never filled that script and decided to see a real podiatrist the next day...
He gave me a heavy dose of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory meds over a course of three weeks. That took the swelling down.

There are two tests that they can use to check if it is gout. A blood test and a fluid extraction from the joint.

[underpants]

15. I had a blood test at my GP this morning

He wrote me a 'scrip for something else only to be taken when needed.

Results tomorrow

[KamaAina]

9. I'm bullish on kudzu root. It's going places!

I hadn't heard this about the pH. CW is to avoid foods containing purines (most meat, legumes, beer, and no more casting asparagus!).

I find it hard to believe that "Drugs (Psychedelic)" could possibly be ingested in sufficient quantity to affect to body's pH. :eyes:

[underpants]

20. Brits are 5 times more likely to have it than anyone on earth

and my doc said today that out of every 20 people he sees that have it 19 are men.

He said most important was to not eat organs (Kidneys, liver, chitlins, etc._

ON EDIT-nice catch on the Kudzu. :-)

[cwydro]

10. Was once called the "rich man's disease".

Watch out for kidney stones.

[underpants]

24. Yes I was warned about that today

the med I got the 'scrip more may help break those up.

My wife calls me GOUT BOY now. My kryptonite is peas and lentils.

[MilesColtrane]

11. I feel your pain.

Sweet Fucking Christ nothing hurts like gout.

I had to give up my famous navy beans and meatballs because of gout.

The first time it hit me, I just assumed that I had broken my toe somehow.
I had to go out and buy a "House" cane so I could hobble to work.

Once I figured out what it was I modified my diet and haven't had an attack since. (knock wood)

[underpants]

21. It is compared to child birth and bones breaking

I still got up and down two 16 step staircases and drove home 3 hours but then I have been told that I have a high tolerance of pain.

My wife commented how even *I* complained about the pain. It hurts.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

12. KUDZU root!?!

:rofl: Would you eat this?

[underpants]

22. When I found this list

I read it and... KUDZU!!!

I posted this to see if anyone caught that. Nice catch.

[KamaAina]

23. Ahem...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8146972&mesg_id=8147151

[underpants]

25. Ahem...

post #20 edited

:spank:

[geomon666]

13. I'm 27 and I have gout.

Along with many other painful problems but gout really, really sucks. Thankfully I haven't had an attack since February.

[underpants]

16. This was apparently my second attack

I thought that the first one was just the stress fracture

Apparently not

[geomon666]

18. I've had about 6 or 7 different attacks for the past 3 years.

Sometimes on the left toe, sometimes on the right toe but always freakin excruciating. Thankfully a nice change of diet is working well.

[jobycom]

17. Monks in the Middle Ages used to claim that fasting cured gout.

From your list, looks like that's about the only option. Bummer, dude. Sympathies. :(

[underpants]

19. Actually no one is sure. My doc today said that fasting may CAUSE it

at least that is one theory. Injuries too may cause it-mine has been in the same spot where I had the stress fracture (right ankle)

[jobycom]

26. Bummer. If you can't trust medieval monks, who can you trust?

[mike_c]

29. fellow sufferer here....

Gout sucks. Ouch.

[underpants]

34. Yes it does

no history in my family. I have a podiatrist AND a rheumatologist....jeesh I am getting old

[UTUSN]

30. Yip, I've never had a broken bone but thought my first attack WAS one!1

It was in the '80s. N'Orlins. Ah, yes, I remember it well.


We had partied till the wee hours. In the morning when I dragged out of bed and started to put weight on the feet, my left ankle or such went straight to PAIN. I literally wondered what had happened, had I fallen and twisted it, or did I kick something?!1

We went to the River(? mall?) and I hobbled to a bench and sat there while my friends looked it over. I was driving and Dr Dean EDELL was on the air. A caller described her gout attack and I immediately zoned into it. Dr Dean described the thing and the causes, like in the O.P. For the next day or two I ate nothing but salads, and it went away.

Since then I've had occasional attacks, with a couple or more years in between. In one that was actually treated by a doctor, I took the pills, not knowing what the pills were for. The next time, I asked the pharmacist, and he said that this was basically a painkiller, prescription strength as opposed to over the counter.

I think I understand that once it's started, the prescription is for pain, not to "cure."

My current doc says to stay on the preemptive prescription PERMANENTLY to circumvent the kidney stone type of development.

This thread reminded me of the cherries remedy, and it was a good excuse to fetch a cherry pie for pre-debate snack.

[underpants]

36. My GP and Podiatrist said no more Colchicine

Too nasty of stuff.

[WinkyDink]

31. So, the Anti-Gout Diet is ....water?

[underpants]

32. Pasta tuna tomatoes

olives

A little more than that but no seafood other than tuna and "some salmon" very little red meat

Leafy veggies and fruit are okay oh and peanut butter!!

[spinbaby]

33. That's a depressing list

Are you enjoying your seaweed and kudzu salad with agar agar?

[underpants]

35. The odd thing was that I was avoiding pasta

going mostly protein (swimming now not running) maybe that had something to do with it :shrug: of course my first attack I was on all carb diet getting ready for a marathon. I think it was related to my injury or my early wilder days

[spinbaby]

37. A lot of protein seems to be out

You're left with dairy as far as I can see.