OK Yankee Fans...Please don't get mad

[Highway61]

However...For the first time in a very long time the Red Sox are kinda feared....:woohoo: Go Sox

[BeyondGeography]

1. Yep...now you can know what it's like to be hated, too

It's tough to be the king.

[bigwillq]

2. Red Sox bought their team too

Yankees may have the highest pay roll but last time I checked Sox were second. It's not about money, imo, it's about passion, execution and performance. Sox had a good mix of all three of those so far in the playoffs and that's why they're in the World Series.

The Yankees, unfortunately, didn't do any of those in the playoffs and that's why they are sitting on their couches watching.

[Highway61]

3. Dupe n/t

[Highway61]

4. Key word here

Second...Yankees always the ones to outspend...never get a yank fan to admit that though

[bigwillq]

5. I've always admitted it

I firmly believe there needs to be a cap but until there is I see no need in complaining about it whether it's the Yankees, Mets, Sox, Dodgers or any other team. If there is no cap, I would spend as much money as I could to try and get the best players I could. It's fair game for all teams. Unfortunately.

[Oeditpus Rex]

10. As long as owners spend überbucks and don't win

there won't be a perceived need for a cap.

[bigwillq]

11. Good point.

I don't think, and as it's been proven, that money=championships, it's just that money can give teams the best opportunity to buy the best players on paper.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Money helps you stay competitive once your team develops, and that's about it

without young talent coming through the system, you will be forced to overpay for veterans who will be well past their prime by the end of their contract in order to stay at or near the top, as the Yankees and others have proven.

[bigwillq]

14. And that irks me

about the Yankees...I would rather struggle and develop the young players, who are hungrier for success, then have a team full of overpaid veterans who are past their prime.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Giambi makes $21 million next year...call the police, man

but they're at least starting to re-boot with younger players (Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, for a start. Cano and Cabrera in the field). As a Yankee fan, I can't wait for that number to come down, since there is a lot of crap built into it. Clemens, Mussina and Giambi collectively made more than half of the entire Rockies team this year.

[Beer Snob-50]

40. but here is the rub!

are you willing to support and root for a team taht will have some lean years. i submit that many fans would not be happy with that after all the success.

[Oeditpus Rex]

13. 'On paper' is the key

You can buy players, but you can't buy a ball club.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Red Sox 2007 payroll: $143 million, Rockies: $54 million

Second to the Yankees and more than 2.5 times more than your Series opponent. Never get a Sox fan to admit that, though.

[Highway61]

19. See post #4

We DO admit it....go to any game at Fenway and talk to those folks...

[BeyondGeography]

21. So you admit that you wildly outspend everyone except the Yankees?

Which makes the Red Sox, what, Evil Jr.?

[Highway61]

23. Not at all

No, it just means the Red Sox are operating within the system as most favored by the Evil Empire, i.e.; they (the Yankees) want to be able to continue to out spend every other team (including the Red Sox).

Most fans of the Red Sox want television revenue sharing like the NFL. It is Yankee fans who at the minimum tacitly support the present situation by their silence whenever this issue comes up.

Their TV and Radio revenues dwarf every other major league team, including the Red Sox. Just look at their market, NYC with over eight million people just in the city proper vs. five hundred thousand in Boston proper.

The only way you have creditability is if you say that you would like to see MLB share broadcasting revenue like the NFL. If you won’t come out and say that then you like the idea of being able to out gun every one else by out spending every one else.
Case closed!

[BeyondGeography]

25. You have no idea what Yankee fans think

you're too busy drawing cartoon images of them, the team and New York in your head. A common affliction among Red Sox supporters.

In point of fact, most Yankee fans are appalled by the wasteful spending on washed-up veterans and one-dimensional losers. They are thrilled the team has invested in its farm system again and recognize that the dynasty of the 90s was home-grown (Williams, Jeter, Pettitte, Posada, Rivera), or developed through trades for reasonably-priced players (O'Neill, Martinez) not purchased. The real free spending started after 2000 with Mussina and Giambi and the re-signing of home-grown players, and they haven't won a championship during that time.

That said, I don't think baseball has a major money problem, and the hatred directed at the Yankees (and, increasingly, the Red Sox) is just human beings doing what they do, which is acting irrational and absurd. Low-payroll teams win pennants and World Series all the time. Both the Red Sox and the Yankees could spend tens of millions less and be just as good. The Red Sox have wasted money on a grand scale these past few years; they didn't have to trade for Eric Gagne or sign J.D. Drew or Matsuzaka for that matter to be where they are. They spent over $20 million for one year of Edgar Rentaria and blew money on Julio Lugo when they could have kept Orlando Cabrera for much less money. Ellsbury could play right and Lester is probably as good if not better than Matsuzaka right now.

Money doesn't buy championships, but when you spend and manage to win, you will be despised. What's funny about many Red Sox fans is they think they will somehow be immune to the type of national scorn that has been heaped on the Yankees, who committed real cardinal sin of winning. If you're lucky, you, too, can be on the other end of all that bullshit.

Red Sox in six.

[Highway61]

27. hummmm

Everything you say is correct, except there no mention of the money advantage that NYY enjoys over everyone else. It certainly isn’t a disadvantage, so just agree that the major revenue stream that broadcast outlets provide should be shared EQUALLY by all thirty teams and your argument will hold water. Without that mea culpa it's just taking the focus off.

Besides, perhaps spending alone doesn’t win championships; but it may very well prevent the other guy from winning one.

p.s. I really DO know what Yankee fans think...I am the only one in my family who likes the Sox...they ALL love the Yanks. You should see us at the dinner table during holidays...it's a riot. But there is no "hate" there really...we just differ. But just getting them to admit about revenue sharing is like trying to get a die hard red neck Republican to admit that Bush is a total failure...their teeth would fall out before they admit it (that is if he even HAS any teeth :)

[BeyondGeography]

28. I have no problem with revenue sharing

it won't outlaw organizational stupidity, which is the primary advantage big market teams enjoy under the current sysem: they can spend around their mistakes.

[Highway61]

30. Guess what?

We agree...your a good Yankee fan and I hope your right about the Sox in the 6th. However, I really feel George made a big mistake with Torre. He is a GREAT guy (not to mention manager.) They just don't make um like that anymore. He will be missed.

[Beer Snob-50]

41. reading teh fox sports discussion threads lately

will confirm that the red sox are hated out there.

[BeyondGeography]

42. You've gone and upset everyone now by winning

Yankee fans understand one thing pretty well: No matter how many qualitative arguments people make about why your team is bad for humanity, the main problem they have is they're starting to win too much.

[Beer Snob-50]

43. so true!

i have a friend who is a red sox fan also. he HATES the yankees with a passion (which he should). however, his reason being is that they buy pennants. when i mentioned that our beloved sox are doing the same, he deny's it.

[Yavin4]

9. If You Add In The $51 million Posting Fee For Dice K

The Red Sox payroll is exactly the same as the Yankees.

[Highway61]

24. see post #23 n/t

[Yavin4]

38. Use Whatever Justifications That You Want, Red Sox Are Just As Bad As The Yankees

Red Sox are NOT morally superior to the Yankees. They're a big, bad sports machine empire just like the Yankees. They out-bid every team for Dice-K by over $16 million. In fact, the Mets were 2nd at $35 million.

In sum, the Red Sox posting fee just for Dice-K, $51 million, is almost equal to the entire Rockies' payroll, $54 million, and you want to blame the Yankees for that????

Red Sox fans sound more and more like the DLC every day. You do the EXACT same thing that the Yankees do, yet you want to appear as morally superior to the Yankees at the same time.

You cannot have it both ways. The Red Sox are winning championships because they employ the exact same tactics as the Yankees to achieve their success. So, if the Yankees are evil, then you are evil as well.

[Highway61]

39. I don't Hate the Yanks

It's the revenue sharing...it should be like the NFL. ALL teams could benefit.

[NewJeffCT]

32. Not that long ago...

There was a year or two where the Red Sox payroll actually did outstrip the Yankees payroll.

I think that was pre A-Rod, though.

[JVS]

31. yup. It's the pot calling the slightly darker kettle black

[DS1]

6. I'll bet Damon was having second thoughts last week

despite the 'uge amount of money

[sniffa]

22. do you remember what his father said when he signed?

he said, "mark my words: the red sox wiLL never win another pennant. they wiLL now suffer the curse of johnny damon."

:rofl:

[quip]

33. So I take it his dad's name isn't Nostradamus... n/t

[durrrty libby]

8. Haha I love seeing noodle-arm traitor Damon looking dejected.

:rofl:

[Initech]

15. I wish we could put the Yankees and Red Sox in their own separate league.

Just annex them from MLB completely. Let the other 28 teams have some competition.

[texas1928]

17. Psst... Dude in the middle.

Your shirt is messed up, it is missing a sleeve.

[durrrty libby]

18. You mean Derek Jeter? Even as a Sox fan, I like the guy

[Highway61]

20. Jeter?

You bet...good man...very talented...and what his comments on about Joe Torre showed he had a lot of class

[Phillycat]

29. I think most of us do.

I only hate him because he's so good. :)

Now, A-rod is a whiny cheating asshole.

[Highway61]

34. A-Rod

Needs an attitude adjustment...The Yankee fans in my family can't stand him. Thinks he's a cut above

[texas1928]

36. Don't know him, he plays for the Yankees.

I was making a funny.

[porphyrian]

26. They'll cry all the way to the bank.

Then, they'll get lollipops.

[Drum]

35. If you think it's all about the money,

you aren't watching the games. Players' and teams' stats speak for themselves. Other teams and their fans can grumble all they want about the Yanks, but the complaining sounds more insecure than anything.

Everyone needs a Goliath, if they're looking to cast themselves as heroic Davids...that's Screenwriting 101.

:shrug:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

37. With this logic.......

.....shouldn't America be pulling for the Rockies?