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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:54 AM
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Just watched "Dazed and Confused," finally
Couldn't relate to it even remotely, but I still kinda liked it. Might have liked it more if I had anything at all in common with the experiences depicted...it's not just the time period (I was not yet even in high school in 1976) because Fast Times At Ridgemont High also totally fails to connect with me (though I like the film) even though it's set during my high school years.

It may be as simple as me not having gone to an American high school: we didn't have the cars, we didn't do drugs, and -- at my high school -- we weren't even co-ed. The kind of cliques that I see so prevalent in US high-school films (and the whole 'jock' phenomenon) was just something that we didn't have. We had the school's athletes, of course, but it was very different to the situation in American schools and they were not elevated above others or separated, whether by policy or not. Same at university: what I saw when I attended an American university, in terms of how the athletes are treated and the whole semi-pro aspect of collegiate athletics, was nothing at all like university in my home country, where phys-ed was not a course but just something that people did extramurally, on their own time, and where there were no athletic departments but just athletes.

I think the way it's done overseas is far better, on balance...universities (high schools, too, depending on the sport and possibly on the region, as exemplified in stuff like Friday Night Lights) should be for learning, not for molding players of high-profile, high-profit sports, few of whom will go on to do it professionally. Sports may have many benefits, mental and physical, but in other countries people still engage in them (I would bet anything that there are a broader cross-section of people actually playing sports in certain other countries, including adults, than in the US, where people may know all the sports stats but rarely actually partake in the sport). We were very active, physically, without having to take for-credit classes to that end or being scouted for varsity teams.

And the whole frat/sorority thing kind of blew my mind. Just like the hazing in this film. If some doofus had treated younger kids the way these seniors do in the film I'd have beaten the hell out of the bully...actually, I did do that. :D

I wouldn't have traded the background I had for anything like what's represented in this film. Girls, sure....that might have been good. But not the drugs and alcohol, parties, and peer-group crap, not that I'd probably ever have succumbed to peer-group anything. That's just me, I guess. None of that stuff ever had any appeal at all to me. I think I was better off for that, in the long run (short run, too).

But the film was pretty good even though I couldn't relate at all to any of the f***ers in it and -- probably as a result -- a lot of it kind of dragged for me. At least it wasn't as totally alien to me (and annoying) as the John Hughes kind of films, like The Breakfast Club. Cool soundtrack, too! Nice to hear stuff like "Free Ride" (they also threw in the sequel, "Slow Ride," a couple of times) and all that good stuff -- '70s guitar rock was and is so cool, back in those days of long ago when Top 40 acts could actually play their instruments (and, for that matter, carry a tune without electronic reprocessing). If anything, actually, the nostalgia value of this piece for me had nothing to do with high school and everything to do with the music. And, come to think of it, some of the fashions...undoubtedly a product of my kidhood, but seeing women dressed like some of the girls in this film, even just the inhumanly tight blue jeans and T-shirt thing, can kinda make me melt a little (though the same could be said of women dressed any way, I guess...I'm easy, that way). Melvin's disco shirt is cool, too. :-)
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 05:20 AM
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1. Have you seen Slacker ?
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 05:21 AM by buddhamama
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:06 AM
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2. Thanks!
I will check that one out when I see it.

Hi, Ms mama, baby! :hug:

Congratulations on your moderationess! I promise to behave better, really. But, just in case, did they give you handcuffs? Pink, fuzzy ones, perchance? :D

:loveya:


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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:18 AM
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3. Mornin' Forrest,
no, handcuffs, sadly. i was given a whip though. :) thank you, Forrest. :hug:

I think you might relate to Slacker a bit more than Dazed and Confused.
Slacker is a classic. I have seen it a bunch of times and it just never gets old- for me anyway, you might feel differently about it. :)

I wouldn't want you to be anything other than You. :loveya:

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:25 AM
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5. I'm happy I'm me
I mean, look at the company I keep. :hug:

From what I read about it on IMDB, Slacker sounds like it'd engage me more. I mean, I did sort of like Dazed and Confused, but I was so disconnected from most of its characters that I got kind of impatient with their goings-on, toward the end. I do love Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, even though they're also pretty much not-me, of course. :D

They gave you a whip? Meanies! Why, I'll rip their lips off! :grr:
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:20 AM
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12. Dazed & Confused AN AWESOME MOVIE
graduated in 1978, remember 1976 well.

:hippie:

:party:
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bluedogyellowdog Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:21 AM
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4. Great movie
but you probably had to have gone to a high school like that to relate to it. Same goes for the John Hughes movies. I was right on the cusp - when I started high school it was like "Dazed & Confused" and when I graduated it was like "The Breakfast Club". A lot can change in 4 years.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 06:33 AM
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6. I was thinking, whenh I watched it, about how much
changed between 1976 and 1986. A lot of it, I think (music being a big one...the slide toward conservatism in the US, even among younger people, being another) for the worse. It gets hard to separate out the artefacts of our own maturation (such as it might be, of course), but I sure noticed a difference between the '70s and '80s, and one that may be greater and more jarring than transitions and the passing in and out of fads and trends over the past 20 years. Perhaps it's not coincidental that two thigns happened in 1980 that, in different ways, sort of heralded the end of the '70s as a social rather than merely calendar decade..actually, I think the marked the end of the '60s, really: one was Reagan (complete with October Surprise and the ousting of Jimmy Carter) and the other was the killing of John Lennon. No wonder the '80s, and most of the time since, was so f***ed up in many ways (okay, sure, the '60 and '70s saw Vietnam and Watergate, but to me the '80s marked the beginning of a very distinct not-so-good phase in this country's social history and a marked divergence from American ideals that may have been little more real before but at least were part of the national -- international -- fabric...a lot of it's apparent in the ruling neocons now, most of them products of '80s politics).
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:12 AM
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8. Nothing to do with time, really
I was in high school in the early 90's, and all of my friends and I heavily related to D&C. In fact, the summer it came out on video, I must have seen it about 40 times at various friends' houses, parties, etc.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:35 AM
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10. Same here.
For some reason the early 90s was a lot like D&C in my school. Lots of weed, jocks and bitches....
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:57 AM
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7. I was in 6th grade in '76
and grew up in a small town similar to the one in Dazed and Confused; for me, the movie accurately evokes the times and portrays teen-types I remember seeing around town. My big complaint about the movie is the hazing stuff...it goes on for too long, imo, and just doesn't seem realistic (even though apparently that kind of thing actually happened where the director/writer grew up).
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:16 AM
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9. Loved it!
I could indentify with every person in the movie right away. I could put a face and a name with every character instantly so that is why I liked it so much.
"check ya later!"
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:57 AM
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11. Even in Canada the high schooling was different than you see in
American movies. The sports teams were no big deal, cheerleaders may have existed but I didn't see them, and there was nothing remotely close to the hazing stuff.

I'm actually kind of writing a book about movies like that right now, so I've been watching a huge number of 70s and 80s high school movies. It's quite an education.

But I do enjoy Dazed and Confused, the same way I might enjoy a movie about astronauts or the French aristocracy - all completely alien yet interesting groups.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:38 AM
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13. It described my high school experience, from 1976 to 1980, to a T.
Its downright eerie. Its so accurate to my time, so exactly right.

I was the guy with the glasses and curly blonde hair. Kinda quiet.
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