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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:14 PM
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“Stupid White Men” by Michael Moore
Hey, not a bad book! I started reading this yesterday and couldn’t put it down – Moore really has a way of keeping your interest. After the heavy reading in “The Clinton Wars” I needed something that was a little less taxing and an easier read. And Moore is no slouch – he let’s both Republicans and Democrats, bush and Clinton have it with both barrels. It was hard to put the book down.

I have a stack of 10 books I have read and 10 left to read on this self political education journey I have partaken – next up I’m going to read Moore’s “Dude, Where’s My Country”
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:18 PM
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1. Man, there are so many out there. Another book, if you have the time is...
"Bushwhacked!" by Molly Ivins. Explains how Bush's diasterous domestic policies are affecting ordinary Americans. It tackles serious issues, but Molly has a nice sense of humor, which sort of leavens things out.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:21 PM
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4. I have that. That's one of the 10 that I've already read.
And "Shrub" by Molly Ivins is in my other stack yet to read.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 07:58 AM
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34. Wow! You have certainly racked up the posts, terrya
Good for you! I remember welcoming you to DU not so long ago. Thanks for the recommendation. I am currently reading "The Greatest Sedition Is Silence" by Will Pitt, another DU member and Managing Editor of "Truthout."
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:19 PM
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2. Bush has been good business for Moore
Two best-selling books in this administration.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:19 PM
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3. That's another great one! You have to read Krugman's book.
It's scary. "The Great Unraveling". Definately a must.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:22 PM
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5. That is also in my stack of 10 books still to read. I've heard it's
very good. :thumbsup:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:23 PM
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6. Tell me what's on your list
What you read and what you have to go. I can't even begin to tell you how big my pile is, especially if you add in the magazines.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:30 PM
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7. My pleasure. Always glad to plug my liberal reading list
I have a total of 20 books here on my "have read" and "still have yet to read" lists. I also have a wish list started at Amazon.com of books I'd like to read when I get through this list. When the time comes I'd like to pick up something by Noam Chomsky because his name comes up so much and I know nothing about him or his work, but I'll get some suggestions from DUers when the time comes.

First, these are the ones I have read

Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth Joe Conason

Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush's America Molly Ivins

The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: The Truth About Corporate Cons, Globalization and High-Finance Fraudsters Greg Palast

What Liberal Media? The Truth About Bias and the News Eric Alterman

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right Al Franken

Thieves in High Places: They've Stolen Our Country--And Its Time to Take It Back Jim Hightower

Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative By: David Brock

The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National Disorder
By: Mark Crispin Miller

The Clinton Wars
By: Sidney Blumenthal

Stupid White Men ...and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!
By: Michael Moore


These are the ones I still have left to read.

Dude, Where's My Country?
By: Michael Moore

The Radical Center: The Future of American Politics
By: Ted Halstead, Michael Lind

The Greatest Sedition Is Silence: Four Years in America
By: William Rivers Pitt

The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception
By: David Corn

It's Still the Economy, Stupid : George W. Bush, The GOP's CEO
By: Paul Begala

The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century
By: Paul Krugman

Shrub : The Short but Happy Political Life of George W. Bush
By: Molly Ivins, Lou Dubose

We're Right, They're Wrong: A Handbook for Spirited Progressives James Carville

Buck Up, Suck Up . . . and Come Back When You Foul Up : 12 Winning Secrets from the War Room
By: James Carville , Paul Begala

The HUNTING of the PRESIDENT – The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton
By: Joe Conason & Gene Lyons

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:38 PM
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8. My God, you have the same reading list that I do.
Haven't read The Clinton Wars yet, though.

Mark Crispin Miller's book was excellent, BTW. A must read to understand Dubya.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:38 PM
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9. i'd save dude, where's ...
for later, it's not very informative and i was pretty disappointed in it. check out some howard zinn, he's awesome.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:47 PM
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11. Okay, I just checked out Howard Zinn and put a couple of his recent
books on my wish list. Thanks for the tip! :thumbsup:
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:01 PM
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19. passionate declarations
That is a fantastic read by Zinn. highly recommended.

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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:25 PM
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23. ah yes,
the canon

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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:47 PM
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10. It was on all the "political" book display tables in Chile
when I was there last month. Also in Argentina. It was usually displayed along with "Yo, Pinochet" a supposed autobiography and a biography about Salvador Allende.

It was interesting to see it so prominently displayed, in all the bookstores (they're all independent), in both countries.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:49 PM
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12. Dude,
While a fun read, there's not much new presented in the book. It's basically Michael Moore ranting for 213 or so pages.

Of course, what's presented is merely a viewpoint. I bet plenty of readers might find something to learn in his newest book.

"Lies" by Al Franken does cover a lot more topics though, and I got more out of it...

They're both good.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:53 PM
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15. According to the Table of Contents it looks completely different
from his first book?? And as far as his ranting goes - I sorta liked that about his other book. :) I can relate to ranting. ;)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:56 PM
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16. Yeah, I dig his ranting too!
:D

Do buy it.

But don't let the chapter where he flaunts his wealth and the tax cut he got because of his wealth annoy you too much! (it starts out that way but then turns it into a rather nice slam agaist *, so don't get me wrong here! :D ...)
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:05 PM
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22. I'm reading it now.
I already HAVE the books listed in post #7. They are sitting in a stack waiting for me to read! I'm unemployed so Moore's books take about a day.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:01 PM
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18. wrong spot
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 10:05 PM by Booberdawg
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:55 PM
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13. I found a Moore book in the airport
I use it to level a table in my garage. Best use I could find for it.

Flame away! I'm a pro-gun DU'er. That answers that question.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:48 PM
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14. AFAIK - moore is a long time NRA member.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:02 PM
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20. What does AFAIK stand for?
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:36 PM
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25. "as far as I know"
AFAIK. ;-)

--Peter
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travisleit01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:03 PM
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21. Correct! n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:59 PM
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17. Well...
Some people have to eat pages out of books.

Others use pages as TP.

Mustn't forget that a book will help kindle the ol' fireplace...

Dunno about any other use or combination for book pages.

However, there's always a use for everything. I took my old Rush paperback and let the birds use it as a bathroom...
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:32 PM
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24. It's not the guns, it's the attitude.
Fear being foremost among them. Moore is an NRA member and gun owner--he's not anti-gun. Anybody who doesn't understand that either didn't see the movie, wasn't paying attention, or willfully ignored the real point of the film.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:56 PM
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26. so?
Moore is not anti-gun
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:14 PM
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27. I though ALL liberals were anti-gun?
:shrug:

Excellent list Booberdawg and it parallels mine quite closely.

One book that I'm waiting to tackle until I have more time it The Radical Reader, edited by Timothy McCarthy and John McMillan. It's a collection of the writings that reflect America's radical tradition, from Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" to Kate Millett's "Sexual Politics" and covering such movements as socialism, black power and radical environmentalism.

So many books, so little time.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:20 PM
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28. Not to hijack the thread..
Moore's whole point of the movie wasn't that guns cause violence, but that our society somehow encourages reactionary, fear-based attitudes that result in violence.

watch the movie again and don't let your ideology get in the way of critical thinking.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:23 PM
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29. I hope that wasn't directed at me
I was being sarcastic. I get nuances. :hi:
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:29 PM
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31. nope
to alsynw or however you spell it...

It amazes me how easily we all are closed minded on some issues. I'm guilty of it as much as anyone..

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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:50 AM
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32. Not only that, but even if he were anti-gun, to discount everything
Moore has to say because you disagree with one issue is foolish. I liked the book and I'm 64 pages into Dude now and like it. I like Moore and what he has to say but he's a Green and I'm not. I can't discount EVERYTHING he stands for and says just because of that! :shrug:
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:27 PM
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30. I added The Radical Reader to my wish list. Thanks for the tip!
My wish list is getting quite long as well with not so mainsteam books, so I'm anxious to get through this stack of 10 books I have left sitting here. Being unemployed allows me to get through them pretty quickly (as long as I don't cruise DU all day ;-))
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 07:43 AM
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33. Just finished reading "Dude, Where's My Country?"
and it is just as good. The one disappointing thing I learned is that when Moore reached out to Democratic leaders to form a Democratic-Green alliance for 4002 in order to beat bush* he learned what Democratic leaders will not admit in public - that they have basically written off 2004. They see little chance of defeating bush*. At least that was at the time the book was published several months ago.

Other that that disappointment, it really is a good book and an easy read. He does tend to go on rants and I like that.
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