Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Favourite Imperialist Power.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:34 PM
Original message
Poll question: Favourite Imperialist Power.
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 01:07 PM by Screaming Lord Byron
OK, it's 1708 (or thereabouts). Which of the Imperialist Nations do you choose to serve? Which is your favourite Empire?

As a Scot and a Canadian, I had to pick France.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
1. Rome or Persia N/T
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
2. And as a Brit, I choose Britain!
:P
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Oh yeah. I had to be cheeky, didn't I!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Notice there are actually no votes for France yet?
Maybe I should actually bother to register my vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:36 PM
Response to Original message
3. Rome, they kicked butt.
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
4. Let's be honest, SLB. You could have included the United States.
We've certainly had our imperialistic tendencies over the decades.

I'd personally choose Britain, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Hey! No anachronisms here! The equiv. of the US in 1708 would be...
hmmm Britain?

Now Rjbcar27's gonna hit me for sure!:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
felonious thunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
8. Portugal
I have no real reason, except that they weren't included....um...hmm..
I enjoy a good port after dinner.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Wasn't Portugal merged with Spain under Phillip II at the time? (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:43 PM
Response to Original message
9. Almost chose Spain, but then I saw Holland and voted it...
...most enlightened nation at the time. Second choice would be Spain. Blood talks, y'know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
11. As an Irishman, I definitely DID NOT pick Britain
So I chose France.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. I chose "Other"
because I would have been in Ireland working for independence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. IIRC weren't the French always going into Ireland to attack the English?
I know the Scots Jacobites got a lot of French support through Ireland
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Actually, no

The Scots Jacobites always got a lot more promise of support from the French, than they got actual support.

The Jacobites never managed to coordinate their uprisings with a moment when it was in the French interest to go to war with England.

A lot of Americans are ignorant of the fact that at the time of our revolution, France was the military/economic equal of England, and they were still smarting from the defeat of the Seven Years War, and looking for a little payback.

1785 would have been an opportune moment for a Jacobite rebellion. Unfortunately for Scottish independence, the Jacobites had been mostly wiped out, converted, or transported by that time.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Personally I wouldn't have supported Prince Charlie or his dad.
Swapping one foreign king in London for another is no advantage. Charles could have stopped after Prestonpans, but he had little interest in the Scottish throne, he wanted the big prize for his family.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. I'm with you about Charlie

It's always been amusingly ironic to me that the Scots were fighting to put a Frenchman on the throne, while the English were fighting to keep a German on it.

jebus, is there anything worse than religion mixed with politics? Do we never learn?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. I would NEVER pick Britain....
Enough of my relatives lost their lives and/or their freedom due to British policies.
I don't care much for any empires,but I picked Holland.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. same clancy
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:04 PM
Response to Original message
15. Why 1708? Not a very good year for empires
It was right in the middle of the War of the Spanish Succession, when the Spanish throne had become a prize for the rest of Europe to wrangle over. So we can leave Spain out of the equation as far as empire is concerned.

The Dutch Republic was also in decline, and had been since the loss of New Amsterdam to the British in 1664. By the early 1700's, it was becoming a financial and intellectual backwater.

That leaves France, which was probably at its peak of power under Louis XIV at the time, and England, which was on its way up. So your question resolves into whether you'd rather play top dog or up-and-comer.

I think I'd have to choose France. The food was probably a lot better. Unless I had to be a peasant, of course -- then I'd choose England.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. One year after the Act of Union
I didn't want to have to distinguish between England and Britain, so that's why. The date doesn't really matter, I was just giving people a time frame.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:04 PM
Response to Original message
16. Austro-Hungarian
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 01:06 PM by Superfly
When they asked me the country of my Oma's birth for my security clearance, I had to say that, which prompted a inquiry from the National Security Agency.

"Sir, we are processing you security clearance paperwork...well, we all looked at a map and couldn't find the country you put on your application...."

On edit....did the Austro-H empire even exist back then?

On edit again...union formed in 1867... sorry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Holy Roman Empire
It was the Holy Roman Empire until Napoleon, with the Hapsburgs in charge from the 13th century onwards. It was an empire with a heck of a lot of history behind it that has ceased to exist only in the past 100 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 08:43 PM
Response to Original message
21. The Mongols
for out and out oppression - and military prowess.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
24. Babylon
The mother of whores
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 07:47 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC