Microsoft Word is the crappest thing ever!

[billyskank]

x(

[no name no slogan]

1. And a close second is M$ Access

closely trailed by M$ Exchanger server and Outlook (or "Lookout!" as we call it here).

[billyskank]

2. All I want to do is move this fucking table across the screen

but it breaks across two pages and won't move...gah!

Please, nobody tell me how to do it. I've given up already. And the last thing I want to become is an expert on Microsoft Word. x(

[bridgit]

3. are you able to format the table...

or enter the html environ and script it over where you need it :shrug:

[no name no slogan]

13. Yet another reason why Notepad trumps M$ Turd

If it can't be done in Notepad, it ain't worth doing in the first place.

[bridgit]

52. hm, i think hubby uses these guys...

http://www.cuteftp.com/cutehtml :hi:

[no name no slogan]

57. I'm a longtime HomeSite user myself

and I like CuteFTP, too! I used to be quite the Dreamweaver guru back around version 3.0 (even taught community college-level courses with it) but these days I'm almost 100% hand-coding. Maybe because I'm a control freak and I don't like how WYSIWYG tools butcher my hard work when i go into layout mode, but I find myself lost if I use a WYSIWYG tool these days.

:hi:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. Compared to...?

People always say this, but then never come up with an alternative. I've tried Open Office and Lotus, and quite frankly, those blow even more.

[billyskank]

9. I'm not interested in vendor flame wars

All I know is, I am at work, I'm using MS Word, and it's fucking shit. x(

[dr.strangelove]

37. I agree

The answer to a product sucking is not to compare it to other products that suck. Its to fix the fucking problems.

[DS1]

5. Excel is a piece of shit,too

I tried to search on something, it friggin fired up a "Would you like to install this feature" window, then had the audacity to ask for the goddamn CD.

[billyskank]

11. LOL. Can't speak to its spreadsheet features

but it certainly makes a shit database. ;)

[deadparrot]

25. My Calc professor last semester was totally obsessed with Excel.

We had to do all our calculations on it...it was awful. :puke:

[DS1]

6. And Access isn't a real database, it's also a piece of shit

[Ron Green]

7. I really miss the "Sony Betamax" of word processing . . .

WordPerfect 5.1

[DS1]

8. And while I'm on the topic of shit, Frontpage is the long thin one you

find in a public toilet and wonder if the guy who left it could taste it before leaving it there for the whole world to see.

[no name no slogan]

50. I LOATHE FrontPage

biggest piece o' shite ever foisted on the public. Crappy interface, non-standard HTML, useless and unsecure "bots", the list goes on and on.

The worst part is how many "web designers" used it to create sites for paying clients-- many of which I had to re-engineer from the ground up because they were incompatable with non-MS browsers or suffered from excessive code bloat.

:puke:

[DS1]

53. I'd download the latest version to see how far it hasn't come

but I'll be dammed if Personal Web Server is getting anywhere NEAR my box

[DS1]

10. Publisher, another steaming turd in the Office Suite

[billyskank]

12. You not keen on MS Office, dude?

:D

[jane_pippin]

14. Oh lord I hate publisher! I was asked to make a brochure once

which I of course usually would do in quark or in design, but all I had at work was frickin' publisher. And of course I never learned publisher because what's the point? So I had to dick around and try to learn publisher which can't do half the stuff I want it to while trying to make this "fabulous" brochure this guy had in mind. Ugh. That was unpleasant.

"Well the stuff in your portfolio looks really great! Howcome this doesn't look like that?"

Um. Really? This is a question you really want an answer to? :banghead:

[Oeditpus Rex]

20. I love Quark

If it wasn't so freaking expensive, I'd have it at home. :grr:

[jane_pippin]

32. I like it a lot too. I lucked out and got it on a student discount

which wasn't much, but it helped. Though the one I have is older and right after I graduated the whole school switched from Quark to InDesign so I didn't get a chance to learn InDesign formally. Now I have to figure that out on my own but I don't have a lot of time to devote to it just now.

Oh well. Old Quark still beats publisher any day.

[Oeditpus Rex]

33. InDesign reminds me of Pagemaker

I d/l'ed a 30-day trial awhile back. Wasn't thrilled with it, but then, 30 days isn't long enough to get used to design software. I used Quark every day for 5 1/2 years, and on a Mac to boot.

Even with a student discount, Quark's still like $500, isn't it?

[jane_pippin]

35. It was a few years ago so I forget what I paid for it exactly

but I think it was less than that--I don't think I'd have dropped that much, but maybe I did. It might have been on sale at the school bookstore on top of a regular discount because of the pending switch.

I learned Quark on macs, so hi-five for that. The thing about InDesign is that I kept trying to do things like you would in Quark, which of course isn't always the case. Placing photos was tripping me up for the longest time when I tried it out. That made me nuts because it shouldn't be that difficult to figure out how to do but for some reason it was. One of these days though I'll have money to buy it and time to sit around and learn the damn thing.

[Oeditpus Rex]

38. When InDesign came out, we were told

it was more "intuitive" than Quark.

Intuition isn't always a good thing. I prefer software that has simple commands and does what it's told.

[jane_pippin]

44. Right, and I think that's why my school went for it.

I can see how they make the claim since it's supposed to be part of the Adobe Creative Suite and most people who'd be using InDesign surely have used Photoshop and the like, so in relation to that it makes sense. But going to it from Quark isn't necessarily intuitive since most people got used to doing things Quark-style. At least that's what my stumbling block was, anyway. It would be fun to learn how to use the whole Creative Suite though.

[Oeditpus Rex]

46. Forgot about that

It was supposed to be "seamless" with Photoshop. Well, hell — I never noticed any "seams" using Photoshop with Quark. :shrug:

[DS1]

59. I don't use either, as I'm not really interested in print design

but I know exactly what you're talking about, the Frontpage/Dreamweaver battles are fought along these lines every single day.

Frontpage is easier to 'hit the ground running' with, to use some bad corporate speak, but it spits out junk. Dreamweaver is a little clunkier, but is much much better.

I've tried Quark and InDesign, and Quark in comparison appeared to be far less inviting. But that's the problem, now that everyone in the world with a computer thinks they're designers, people expect things to be really simple and nobody wants to actually sit down and learn anything.

end :rant:

[ghostsofgiants]

51. InDesign actually is what Adobe replaced Pagemaker with.

[we can do it]

56. Quark Is Awesome, Pagemaker Is OK, as is InDesign

[XemaSab]

15. Oh geez

I'm right there with all y'all.... each MS program sucks worse than the one before it.

I can't say anything more than what y'all have already said, so I can only sit here and nod my head in agreement.

[imperialismispasse]

16. No actually Word Perfect is the crappiest thing ever

Word is number 2

[Bridget Burke]

21. I remember WordPerfect as better than Word.

I used to do lots of high-end word processing. But I work in a MS-everything environment now.

MS Access is a pathetic.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

24. My grandparents have WordPerfect.

And yeah, it blows. x( x(

[Misunderestimator]

17. So, basically everything is shit, right?

[petronius]

18. I'd say that any program that doesn't immediately do exactly

what I'm picturing in my head as I type is pure fecal matter. :)

[billyskank]

19. Yes!

:P

[DS1]

29. There are some pleasant things in life

like shaved beaver

[Misunderestimator]

34. Yes, much better than the microsoft version!

[DS1]

36. The M$ crashes and you have to start all over again

And after you've taken said beaver out for dinner three times a night, seen the same movie over and over again, you tend to lose interest.

This is why the Catholic Church hates M$

/got nothin

[Misunderestimator]

39. Well, my problem has always been M$ freezing up for a week...

once a month.... like clockwork.

/got nuttin either

[DS1]

41. and before you know it, all the beavers in the building are freezing

up at the same time

and that's some creepy shit, right there

[Misunderestimator]

43. I swear... nothing gets done when that happens... no dams... no nothing.

:rofl:

[Radio_Guy]

22. MS doesn't stand for MicroSoft in my book

MS stands for More $hit to put up with.

[we can do it]

58. XP = eXtra Problems

[WritingIsMyReligion]

23. As opposed to....?

Is there really a good word processing program out there? I use MS Word, and it can really blow, but I've used Mac programs before, and those blow just as much.....

You can't win, I tell ya!

:D

[Misunderestimator]

26. It's a hell of a lot better than a typewriter!

:bounce:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

27. LOL

I never had the misfortune to use a typewriter--I suppose that's what becomes of being born in the '90s!

:rofl:

[billyskank]

28. All I need is vi and a green screen dumb terminal

;)

[Kellanved]

30. Latex

Which reminds me: back to work.

:hi:

[IronLionZion]

49. Openoffice.org

[realisticphish]

31. I use OpenOffice

same functions, less bullshit

[IronLionZion]

48. YEAH!

I agree. I can do without the bullshit. Many of the MS Office "features" are bullshit. I find it shocking that people actually pay like $250 for MS Office. It boggles the mind.

And Star office is good too.

[kick-ass-bob]

40. You would have to say that today.

It won't even fucking read an Access database for mail merge!

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[billyskank]

42. Bill is not pleased with us

:scared:

[DS1]

55. What kind of IT poof uses Access for anything other than tracking

cub scout meetings and merit badges? :eyes:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

45. I agree, but unfortunately, all my translation clients require it

:-(

[IronLionZion]

47. OpenOffice.org

www.openoffice.org

And check out the open cd too.

It's free. I basically use Microsoft stuff only at work.

[we can do it]

54. I Think Its Tied with MS Publisher - TOTAL SHIT

:puke: