Accept it, the saxophone was the lamest addition to rock music EVER!

[LostInAnomie]

Any rock song that features a sax solo automatically sucks two fat balls.

[DainBramaged]

1. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Lautremont]

2. You know, I had more or less that same thought earlier tonight

while listening to some music. No sax in the music, but I saw a picture of one, and thought "if there'd be one way to ruin this song, that'd be it." Much like the best way to ruin a perfectly good chocolate cake is to put zucchini in it.

[DainBramaged]

4. 50 Greatest Saxophonists

1. Charlie Parker
2. John Coltrane
3. Lester Young
4. Coleman Hawkins
5. Sonny Rollins
6. Eric Dolphy
7. Cannonball Adderley
8. Wayne Shorter
9. Stanley Turrentine
10. Dexter Gordon
11. Joe Henderson
12. Benny Carter
13. Michael Brecker
14. Gerry Mulligan
15. Stan Getz
16. Ornette Coleman
17. Sidney Bechet
18. Rahsaan Roland Kirk
19. Johnny Hodges
20. Grover Washington Jr.
21. Don Byas
22. Art Pepper
23. Pharoah Sanders
24. Paul Desmond
25. King Curtis
26. David Sanborn
27. Gato Barbieri
28. Jackie McLean
29. Hank Mobley
30. Dewey Redman
31. Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson
32. Joe Lovano
33. Sonny Stitt
34. Illinois Jacquet
35. Tom Saviano
36. Albert Ayler
37. Karl Denson
38. Junior Walker
39. David "Fathead" Newman
40. Ernie Watts
41. Joshua Redman
42. Johnny Griffin
43. Kenny Garrett
44. Bob Berg
45. Phil Woods
46. Ronnie Laws
47. Tom Scott
48. Greg Osby
49. Sam "The Man" Taylor
50. Booker Ervin

[Lautremont]

6. 50 great saxophonists, one great reason they weren't often asked to play

in rock bands - because the rock musicians didn't want their songs killed.

I know a few of those guys, Tom Scott for instance, popped up in the rock music, but it only proves my point, to me anyway! And it should be noted that I love the King Curtis version of 'A Whiter Shade of Pale.'

It should also be noted that I love zucchini, just not in chocolate cake.

Good list of massively talented folk, by the way.

[DainBramaged]

8. One of my favs

Dave Grusin Collections 1989


Dave Grusin Acoustic Piano, Keyboards
Lee Ritenour Guitar
Steve Gadd Drums
Don Grusin Synthesizer
Lincoln Goines Bass
Rubens Bassini Percussion
Phoebe Snow Vocal
Gary Roda Vocal
David Sanborn Alto Saxophone
Marcus Miller Bass
Buddy Williams Drums
Grover Washington Jr. Soprano Saxophone
Ron Carter Acoustic Bass
Paul Gershman Concertmaster
Abraham Laboriel Bass
Harvey Mason Drums
Mike Fisher Percussion
Ernie Watts Tenor Saxophone
Eric Gale Guitar

Amazing group of people, and three amazing sax players.

[Arugula Latte]

14. Okay, don't kill me for asking this question, but is Kenny Garrett

the same as Kenny G? :hide:

[JVS]

15. Awww Shit!

:popcorn:

[progmom]

37. hahahahahahah

no.

kenny g is kenny gorelick.

kenny garrett is a detroit saxophonist who toured for years with miles davis. my favorite kenny garrett album is african exchange student.

[Arugula Latte]

53. Sure. I knew that! I was just testing the rest of you.

Yeah, that's it. :think: Luckily, you passed.

[Shell Beau]

31. No Kenny G?

:P

[ZombieNixon]

5. The best way to ruin ANYTHING is to put zucchini in it!

Zucchini + ZombieNixon = :puke:

[JVS]

12. I've seen zucchini put into some things with good result

Here is someone enjoying zucchini

[LostInAnomie]

18. Damn, that old dude better not put that into anyone or anything...

... unless he wants a manslaughter charge.

[Oeditpus Rex]

3. I can't decide

whether to :spank: or :popcorn:

[Straight Shooter]

7. The saxophone, of all instruments, most closely resembles the human voice.

I read that a long time ago and thought it was interesting.

AFAIC, you can put a tenor sax in any kind of music and I'll like it. I love that instrument.

[Norton]

9. Apparently, you guys have never heard "Do The Strand"

by Roxy Music???

[DainBramaged]

19. I saw Roxy Music LIVE on stage in NY at the Garden 10/18/1971

Opening for Jethro Tull and fell in love with the sax at that moment. Brian Ferry in a black nightgown, the band in black leather, smoking dope in the audience and the anticipation of youth.

Virginia Plain brought the house down. No one in the audience had heard of them, and this was at the peak of early NY FM radio influence by WNEW-FM, Scot Muni, Allison Steele.

Amazing times. Sold out the Garden, we had seats 6&7 in the 11th row. The ticket stub is framed on the wall to my left. It was the first live concert in NY I ever went to.

Make me a deal and make it straight

all signed and sealed, i'll take it

to Robert E. Lee i'll show it

i hope and pray he don't blow it 'cause

we´ve been around a long time just tryin' and tryin' and tryin' to

make the big time


Take me on a roller coaster

take me for an airplane ride

take me for a six days wonder but don't you

don't you throw my pride aside besides

what's real and make believe

baby Jane's in Acapulco we're all flyin' down to Rio


Throw me a line i'm sinking fast

clutching at straws can't make it

havana sound we're trying hard edge the hipster jiving

last picture shows down the drive-in

you're so sheer you're so chic

teenage rebel of the week


Flavors of the mountain steamline

midnight blue casino floors

dance the cha-cha through till sunrise

opens up exclusive doors oh wow!

just like flamingos look the same

so me and you, just we two got to search for something new


Far beyond the pale horizon

some place near the desert strand

where my Studebaker takes me

that's where i'll make my stand but wait

can't you see that Holzer mane

what's her name, Virginia Plain

[Initech]

10. NOT true at all. Zappa used saxophone in a ton of his songs

Of course the most obvious being the title track to Joe's Garage.

[bbernardini]

25. Indeed. I loves me some Napoleon Murphy Brock.

[BikeWriter]

11. I love great sax!

[JVS]

13. Lamer than drum machines, sythesizers or cowbell?

I think this needs to be examined in a scientific environment.

[Thom Little]

17. Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

[ProfessorGAC]

24. Never, EVER, Dis The Cowbell

Or synthesizers. At least one can play a chord on a synth. Not so with a sax. And sax players! Geez, what losers. (Blue-Jay, you paying attention?!?!?)
The Professor

[Straight Shooter]

39. Waaahhhhh. ProfessorGAC just called me a loser!

And all this time I thought we were simply sexy saxers. :P

[ProfessorGAC]

44. Ah, That Was More For Blue-Jay

I've heard him play. He's good. I just hoped he would see my little jab!

Actually, i can play a little. But, i only learned it so i knew how it worked. Then, when i use synths on stage to get a sax sound, i think more like a sax player, than a piano player. I thought that was important for all the instruments i emulate. (Did the same on trumpet and violin. Still have the violin!)

You're not a loser! (Whew! Now my conscience won't bother me because i said that out loud!)
The Professor

[Straight Shooter]

46. Aw, yeah, I was teasin' you a little bit there, too.

Seems like we have a lot of sax players on DU. And I have a violin, too, how about that! Uh, don't ask me whether I'm any good on the violin.

:hi:

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Don't Ask Me Either

I can get a "unhorrible" tone and i know where all the notes are and can play scales and like that. But, i couldn't sight read on it to save my life and i can't improvise with it either. Jean-Luc Ponty, i ain't.
The Professor

[Straight Shooter]

50. LOL. I now have a new way of describing to my friends how I play violin

"Unhorrible." Heh. Thanks for that. :)

[JuneInJax]

16. Oh, I'm not so sure....

about that! Clarence Clemons adds a lot to several Springsteen songs, especially Jungleland. Not that he's the greatest sax player ever, but I do think sax in rock has its place.

:)
Moni

[DainBramaged]

20. dupe

[DainBramaged]

21. Computer fart dupe

[DainBramaged]

22. I would trade places to be Clarence Clemons in a heartbeat

or have half of his talent.



He was even in the movie Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, which gave us the excellent Keanu Reeves. Where would we be without Neo?

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. I second that

[AngryAmish]

23. Morphine

Tenor sax, 3 string bass, drums
no guitar, etc.

Coolest, sleaziest sound out there.

[peekaloo]

29. I loved that band.

'Cure For Pain' is an excellent CD.

R.I.P. Mark Sandman. :-(

[Zomby Woof]

36. But they only had one song

So it was really boring after 2 or 3 cuts.

[progmom]

38. love them!

:hi:

[MissMillie]

26. I disagree

and one need only listen to Pink Floyd's "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" parts 6-10 to know why.

[taterguy]

28. you are so wrong

First: The sax was not an addition to rock. It was there at the conception in the song Rocket 88.

Second: Exile On Main Street, lots of sax, no lameness

Third: The use of the phrase "sucks two fat balls" as a negative description implies either homophobia or laziness, both of which are quite lame.

[LostInAnomie]

47. Oh please, I didn't realize that...

homosexual men were the only ones that sucked balls. The phrase "sucks two fat balls" does not imply homophobia. It is a figure of speech just like "blow goats", "sucks ass", and "eats shit". If you want to talk about lame, it doesn't get much lamer than calling someone a homophobe over a joke post.

[Arkana]

30. Back off, Jack--I played saxophone for 11 years.

:)

[GumboYaYa]

32. Listen to Maceo Parker on any of James Brown's albums....

and get back to me.

[curse10]

40. It's true- Maceo can't ruin a song- but he's the only one I listen to

cause, in general, sax sucks.

[JVS]

52. But is James Brown "rock" music?

[argyl]

33. Because of Jr.Walker's sax,Foreigner had one decent tune, "Urgent."n/t

[underpants]

34. Any band that substitutes a sax for a guitar

is OVER!


I don't mind a sax by itself but when it is used to cover for what should be a guitar it is time for the band to just give it up.

[FredScuttle]

35. Uh...classic Stones songs with the great Bobby Keys on sax?

Brown Sugar? Rip This Joint?


not to mention, my favorite sax solo of all - Ronnie Ross on Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side"

[underpants]

42. Post #34

THAT is exactly what I was referring to.

[RandomKoolzip]

41. Mott the Hoople, "All the Way From Memphis."

The Contortions, Butthole Surfers, All those great Stones songs with sax solos, "Savoy Truffle" (among many other tunes) by The Beatles, tons of Stevie Wonder's songs including "Superstition" with brass sections, anything ska saxist Roland Alphonso played on, "LA Blues" by The Stooges, Pink Floyd's "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" and "The Gunner's Dream," Louis Jordan, Illinois Jacquet, X-Ray Spex's "Oh Bondage, Up Yours!," in fact anything Lora Logic played on, Pere Ubu's "Laughing," Captain Beefheart's soprano sax wailing, David Jackson of Van Der Graaf Generator's solos and melodies, Branfod Marsalis jamming with the Grateful Dead, Ornette Coleman jamming with the Dead, David Murray jamming with the Dead, King Curtis's version of "A Whiter Shade of Pale" (a masterpiece), Dozens of Zappa's best bands, Ian Underwood, The Zutons, MX-80 Sound, many of Van Morrison's best songs, Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side," David Bowie's "Young Americans," Otis Redding's amazing horn arrangements, especially "Change Gonna Come" and "Security," all of which he wrote himself, The Band's "rock of Ages" album, their "It makes no difference," Pigbag, all those great soul tunes with sax solos and parts, Rip Rig and Panic, Defunkt.....

What were you saying about songs with saxophone automatically sucking?

[Horus45]

43. I Disagree

[Saphire]

45. what would Pink Floyds "Money" be without the sax???

[Horus45]

49. Or Hot Patooty, Bless My Soul

[Patiod]

51. "Born to Run"? "Rosa-fucking-lita"?"

Grrr. Rosalita is one of the best rock songs ever. And it's not worth a damn without the sax.

Almost everything I like has sax in it - Bruce Springsteen, Steely Dan, Crusaders - rock, jazz, fusion, whatever. Sax adds something