cLassism or racism

[sniffa]

pLeast post which one you bLame.

no need, to eLaborate. one word wiLL do just fine.

[Shell Beau]

1. Maybe a combo of both.

[kick-ass-bob]

2. classism.

racism is just a piece of classism.

[GOPisEvil]

3. With the amount of "those people" remarks I've heard: racism.

[kick-ass-bob]

6. see post #2.

if they were poor and white, they'd just call them "white trash."

[philosophie_en_rose]

8. if they're poor and black.

they'd wouldn't call them anything. They'd ignore them.

[GOPisEvil]

10. Classism affects people of color disproportionately.

The REAL battle in this country is over class, but it manifests itself as a battle on race. The Republicans have successfully gotten the poor white vote by using race.

[sniffa]

12. if you are white and poor

you have a HUGE Leg up on a person who is bLack and poor.

don't think so?

send both to appLy for the same job with the same quaLifications and watch the resuLt.

have a cop puLL over both peopLe and watch the disparity in how each is handLed.

have both try to haiL a cab, and see who gets picked up first.

have both use an EBT card whiLe paying for food, and watch who gets the nasty Looks.

[kick-ass-bob]

14. that is true.

Like I said below, racism probably grew out of classism and now has a life of its own.

[GOPisEvil]

15. I agree with everything you said.

However, if the poor white folks ever realize how badly they're getting hosed, no Republican could get elected nationally.

[sniffa]

17. indeed

it just baffLes me!

[kick-ass-bob]

13. I think we are using too many words for poor sniffa.

So then are you saying that racism came out of classism? Because that is basically what I was saying.

Of course now, racism has grown out and beyond classism, so if you rid the world of classism, racism would still exist.
(And vice versa is true, of course)

[Shell Beau]

7. My mother and I tried to count how many times we heard

"those people" or "these people" on the news. I have to say that I used it myself, but only referring to the people still there (not as in the black people or the poor people). Just a lack of better words to use.

[WCGreen]

4. racism

[philosophie_en_rose]

5. Racism.

racism isn't "just" a part of classism.

[jus_the_facts]

9. paradox......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Misunderestimator]

11. racism

and the next question... Chicken or Egg?

[progmom]

16. both

but racism first.
the fact that they're poor makes them even more subhuman to these assholes.

[alarcojon]

18. Racism primarily

with some classism.

[Allenberg]

24. Ditto.

[Trigger Hippie]

19. Classism

[huskerlaw]

20. Racism, mostly

Nobody can convince me that this would have happened in a mostly-white, poor city. However, there is a healthy dose of classism too. Unfortunately, in this part of the US, it's a bit difficult to separate the two.

[Hugin]

21. Racism.

Plain and simple.

[miss_kitty]

22. both

[no name no slogan]

23. a little from column A, a little from column B

But racism plays a bigger role, IMHO

[Rising Phoenix]

25. classism and racism

[fortyfeetunder]

26. in the end, classism

Remember, * focuses on the "haves and the have mores"....

[Dastard Stepchild]

27. quite like love and marriage,,,,

it's hard to envision one without the other.

[sniffa]

28. but, as i said in #12

if you are white and poor
you have a HUGE Leg up on a person who is bLack and poor.

don't think so?

send both to appLy for the same job with the same quaLifications and watch the resuLt.

have a cop puLL over both peopLe and watch the disparity in how each is handLed.

have both try to haiL a cab, and see who gets picked up first.

have both use an EBT card whiLe paying for food, and watch who gets the nasty Looks.

[Dastard Stepchild]

30. Oh...

I'm not arguing with your thoughts. Merely suggesting, in a rather esoteric way, that racism creates an "underclass," if you will. Thus, it would seem as though the two are rather intimately linked. Not saying that being of a certain race does not socially disadvantage one to a significant degree... it most certainly does. But being on the lowest rung of the white ladder does have its share of problems as well. In fact, the rural, white poor are largely cut off from the social services that urban poor have, so in some ways, that is a disadvantage for them as well.

I think one could lobby back and forth countless reasons regarding how one group is disadvantaged versus another. But, I'm not here to split hairs. Both are uniquely different concerns, with a unique set of problems and issues, and I find myself concerned with the plight of both.

[LionInWinter]

29. Classism first ...

with racism to further divide into subgroups. I mean, you can't hate everyone at the same level can you?

[bicentennial_baby]

31. both, but

racism before classism...it's always easier to be poor and white than poor and black. at least it seems that way to me.