Why is bashing vegans OK, but not retarded people or fat asses?

[hollywood926]

I've seen lectures on this board about how we shouldn't use the word "retard" jokingly because someone on the board might have a retarded cousin and it might make them sad. And we shouldn't make fat jokes because there might be a chubster reading it and he might cry.

And yet every single day there is at least one thread (not necessarily in the Lounge) that ridicules those who choose not to eat murdered animals and mocks organizations that work for the protection of such animals.

I'm just trying to figure out who we are allowed to ridicule and who we aren't. From what I gather so far, it's OK to bash vegans and vegetarians, but we're not to ridicule the obese person who eats dead animal carcass and then wonders why his body looks like a giant jiggly tub of animal fat and he can't get a girlfriend.

Right?

[datasuspect]

1. it's because vegans are WEIRD COMMIES

joking

seems like a double standard.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

2. Also... why is it okay to call a thin person anorexic...

jokingly, and not okay for somebody to call another person a fat ass jokingly?

In regards to what you said, I agree with you.

[NoSheep]

108. Now there's a good question!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. I don't know why you granola eating fat assed retard

:evilgrin: JUST KIDDING PROMISE!!!

[Baclava]

4. You want a fatass forum too?

Seems a bit much.

[Beware the Beast Man]

5. You set a shining example for all non-meat eaters.

Your perspicacity makes me re-think those who subscribe to the vegan lifestyle.:eyes:

[CubsFan1982]

6. Well...

Vegans (not all, the militant ones) seem to enjoy making people who eat meat feel guilty and ashamed at their dietary preference. I don't know how you would react, but I don't much enjoy being called a murderer because I choose to eat a steak every once in while. Vegans do that, generally speaking. I have yet to be slammed by a retarded person for having all my faculties or by a obese person for not being as large as they.

[hollywood926]

14. I used to think that, too, but it's actually the opposite...

When I became a veg, I would just mention it to people and they would get defensive, when I didn't say anything but "I don't eat meat." THEY got defensive, not me.

No one can MAKE you feel guilty. You probably just do.

[yellowcanine]

25. Look at your original post. - You used the "murdered animal" language.

People are going to get defensive when you talk like that. As I said - you set the tone so don't complain about the tone.

[Damien]

34. well, it is true

we all frame things as we see them (pro-choice/pro-life right -- everyone is pro something).

Meat is murdered animal...that is a fact.

[datasuspect]

47. uh. . . ever read Genesis?

Phil collins gave us the beast of the land, the fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea.

He gave us dominion over these things. how are you gonna say phill collins is wrong?

[Damien]

66. actually,

God gives man seed bearing fruit to eat, and domination over animals. But I guess you see those two things the same.

Oh ya, he gives man domination over women too. I guess that means we can eat them?

Governments have domination over their people (even fair democratic nations). What does that say?

[yellowcanine]

81. Silly argument - but anyway, it was "dominion", not "domination"

Not quite the same thing.

[Damien]

88. no, it's not silly

the passages are very clear...plants are one thing, animals and women another.

It's just a fact people don't like.

my fault on the dominion thing though -- I think you're right on the word.

[yellowcanine]

102. Hmm - I believe the first reference to killing animals was after the

incident with the "apple" and animal skins were used to cover up the nakedness of Adam and Eve - and then God did the killing. In the "dominion" passage of Genesis 1 there is no mention of killing and eating animals. So I fail to see the connection between dominion and eating animals. In fact - other cases of dominion in the Bible - such as masters over slaves - do not imply that the master has the right to kill the slave.

On edit: But I hope you are not going to use the Bible to try and make a case for not killing animals. You won't get very far there. In fact, look no farther than the Cain and Abel story and see whose "sacrifice" was accepted by God. Also, there is all of that clean-unclean animal stuff. Lots of killing and of animals for eating and sacrificing there, and all in spite of that pesky, "Thou shalt not kill" commandment.

[Damien]

116. yes there is a lot about killing animals

once the whole ark thing happened. this is long after the original fall from grace.

In Eden, when humans were pure, they did not eat animals. It was only after they fell that they began eating animals.

So really, if we wish to go back to the perfect state, we should stop eating meat right? HAHAHA flame away!

I'm not sure what you're saying exactly -- I agree that dominion does not involve killing -- my other references to killing are to make it clear that dominion does NOT allow that...

Am I not understanding something in you post?

BTW: The Bible has no influence over my reasons, but it comes up so often I looked into it.

[yellowcanine]

131. I am saying that you can't equate killing animals with murder

ans no amount of "well the animal killers wrote the definition so it doesn't count." is going to work, I am afraid. The fact is, you can't make a historical argument against killing animals for food. If you want to argue that we are more advanced socially so that we should no longer kill animals, fine, that is at least an honest argument. I wouldn't agree with you because I think it is mostly based on sentimentality (turns all animals into "pets") rather than reason but it is a better argument than trying to change the historical definition of murder. On the sentimentality issue, answer me this: Does the killing and eating of a cow upset you more than the killing and eating of a crab? If so, why?

[Damien]

139. well....

since you asked ::takes big breath::

There is archeological evidence that we were vegetarians before the Ice Age, at which time food became scarce. For that reason we started eating meat. It's a theory -- just like so many other things. I'll admit it's a theory, but it does have support.

I would also say we are advanced to where we don't need to eat it anymore. I also like that argument.

I'm not sure if you use the crab thing as a trick, as I understand crabs to be like insects (possibly no nervous system). I've had a few people bring that up.

Either way, I don't eat them. I don't eat anything from the animal kingdom. That's just a much easier definition.

[datasuspect]

144. why did god give us incisors then?

and just because they find a danish zombie mummy from 1200 years ago with only seeds and nuts in his gut don't prove nothin.

maybe they couldn't find a wooly mammoth that day?

maybe the danish mummy was stalking a wooly mammoth when he fell into a crevice?

[yellowcanine]

150. Crabs are similar to insects (both arthropods). They certainly DO have a

nervous system. My point is that many people draw the line at animals with big brown eyes because they think they are more like humans and they think therefore that they are human-like in the way they think and feel. - a sentimental mistake, in my opinion.

[hollywood926]

134. I wouldn't use the Bible...

to wipe my butt, let alone to argue a rational point. Someone else brought it up.

The fact that humans shouldn't eat animals comes from common decency. WE WANT TO and WE CAN aren't good enough reasons. We're supposed to be better than that. That's what separates us from the primates.

Every nutrient necessary to keep us alive and healthy can be found in the ground or on trees.

[yellowcanine]

145. I really wouldn't get into comparing our morality to the "primates" if

I were you. For one thing, we ARE primates. For another, I don't see the other primates running around killing each other the way humans do. And lastly - you bring up a good point - we are animals and we have a biological imperative just like other animals. All of the biological, historical, anthropological, social evidence points to the fact that humans are omnivores. So it is a little simplistic to say we eat meat because we "want to or can." It is way more complex than that and if you keep trying to deny the complexicity of the issue you will keep failing to convince anyone to your way of thinking.

[datasuspect]

147. not too mention

many other primates resort to cannibalism when there is no food or to prove they are more masculine.

[hollywood926]

92. Dominion means legal power over something...

not quite the same as killing it. It speaks of responsibility, the way a parent is granted dominion over her children. Humans are supposed to be protecting the animals, not killing them.

[Damien]

98. that would be my conclusion

thank you.

[datasuspect]

87. that governments can eat their people?

SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

[Damien]

90. government cheese....mmmm...

no wait..eww...
:puke:

[Lilith Velkor]

95. Soylent Green is troops!

Aaaaaagh! :hurts:

[Damien]

130. BTW: what the hell is soylent green anyway?

im not familiar.

[datasuspect]

135. soylent green

along with soylent yellow, orange, and red, are plankton and vegetable-based food products extruded in the shape of biscuits, rolls, and bread. they are made by the soylent corporation in their huge factory farms.

REMEMBER! TUESDAY IS SOYLENT GREEN DAY!

[Damien]

140. weird...thanks

[blondeatlast]

136. Self-delete. I took my smartass hat off and I'll be good, I promise. nt

[Damien]

141. damn

and I didn't get to read it first.

[yellowcanine]

76. No, it isn't. "murder" is not synonomous with "kill" and animal life is

equivalent to human life. Do you "murder" a mosquito when you squash it? It is an absurd notion.

[Damien]

82. please see my post farther down

I'm get tired of explaining the same thing over and over again to people who don't get it.

[spunky]

7. Same reason its okay to call a smoker names but

not a fat person.

heh, I'm a vegetarian smoker who's really skinny and has been called anorexic before, so I fall into all of those unprotected categories. lol.

[Damien]

36. I'm with you

I quit smoking 3 weeks ago, but I toatlly understand. It's good to hear other people notice that...

[Swede]

8. Because some vegans are judgemental shit stains.

nt

[vpigrad]

10. You call someone that because they choose...

to eat healthy? What is your problem? Did some healthy person dump you once?

[Magrittes Pipe]

13. No, he called someone that because they chose...

to call people "fat asses."

[hollywood926]

23. Are these judgmental shit stains, too?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3143328

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x42358

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2681722

[Swede]

39. Your the one that posted a judgemental statement.

You called people fatasses and retards. You forget nigger and chink?
Vegans are judged by a choice them make,with their holier-then-thou attitude. You apparently judge people by looks.

[hollywood926]

45. Fat people don't choose to be fat?

Yeah, they DO. When you eat mashed potatoes with a shovel, you're going to get fat. That's a choice.

It's almost comical how badly you have missed my point.

[Swede]

55. You have the compassion of a rock.

Insult people some more why don't you.

[hollywood926]

104. Swedes are pale-skinned ABBA lovers.

:-)

[Swede]

107. We finally agree on this thread.

Well I only like ABBA.

[Damien]

40. I hear some are retarded fatasses too...

:evilgrin:

[NoSheep]

110. LOL!

[Magrittes Pipe]

9. I only bash the vegans that call my friends "fat asses."

[slutticus]

11. Could it be that every time a vegan complains about this...

...they use phrases like "murdered animals" and "dead animal carcass" as if to presume that you are so much better than the "murdering meat-eaters"?

Seems the ridicule goes both ways homie.

Get off your high horse.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

12. Vegans choose to be unhealthy

Retarded people aren't so lucky.

Neither are all fat people.

Edit: Smokers also make a choice - which is why it is apparently acceptable to bash away at them.

I don't condone this; that's just the wherefore.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

19. Vegans choose to be unhealthy?

WTF?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

58. I knew I'd get some flack for saying that

But I just couldn't help myself.

That was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but slightly serious.

Purely anecdotal but, nearly every vegan I know is constantly getting sick. Several have anemia. One vegan friend of mine recently had to be hospitalized due to his diet for anorexia; even though he thought he was eating enough, his body wasn't getting enough nutrients.

There's a reason humans are carnivores.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

61. The ones that don't do it right.

If you take the right supplements and eat the right aamounts of certain foods, the vegan lifestyle is very healthy. The ones who are getting sick constantly are often the ones who have let it turn into an eating disorder. That's just my experience, anyway.

[hollywood926]

99. That's exactly right....

There is nothing GOOD in meat that can't be found in 1000 other natural food sources.

[jeffrey_X]

80. "There's a reason humans are carnivores."

Really? What's the reason?

Is it our long intestinal structure where meat decays and rots? Is it our inability to digest meat properly with only a limited amount of natural enzymes present in the stomach?

Explain this:

If you were stranded on a deserted island and the only two things available to eat were a bushel of apples or a rabbit that had been dead for a week, which would you eat? If any other carnivore on earth was in the same situation, which would they eat?

[Damien]

43. a lot of fat people choose it

with every big mac they eat

Don't try that.

Medical obesity is exceedingly rare -- but a lot of fat people use it as an excuse for their poor habits.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

86. And you can visually determine which fat people

Are the lazy overeating ones and which ones have medical conditions by looking at them right?

I hope you tell me how so I can be that much more judgemental when I'm walking around the city.

[hollywood926]

103. it's actually easy....

99% of all fat people claim to have a "glandular" problem and 99% of them don't.

The way you can tell them from the 1% with an actual disorder is that they are the ones who can't sit through a movie without eating, can't walk through the mall without eating, can't sit through 30 minutes of a work day without eating, etc.

[Hand]

15. Insh'Allah... nt

[Book Lover]

16. OK, then

You are not allowed to ridicule anybody. If you are reading this post, this rule now applies to you also.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

32. Oh you erudite elitist you! :)

[Book Lover]

38. Yeah, well, just because I say it

doesn't mean those unwashed smelly masses are *listening*! :-)

[Rowdyboy]

17. Not defending "vegan-bashing" but

Mentally handicapped people and most obese people are not that way by choice. Vegans choose that lifestyle, the obese and the mentally-challenged do not choose theirs, any more than gays choose to be gay.

People see it as acceptable to bash differing ideologies and beliefs but not characteristics one is born with.

Also, many vegans proseletize their beliefs in LTTE etc. I've never seen anyone urging others to adopt a "retarded" or an obese lifestyle but plenty of vegans will argue all day long that they are correct and you're wrong.

[spunky]

24. So, if a person is fat because they eat potato chips

and cookies everyday for lunch and never exercise, its okay to call them lard ass?

Because people like that are not fat by birth.

[Damien]

51. damn straight

thank you. I'm tired of the whole "they have no choice" crap

[last_texas_dem]

48. I agree with the distinction you make

Though I try to stay away from name-calling in general (with the exception of when the names apply to right-wing nuts, etc.), the distinction you make makes sense.

>>People see it as acceptable to bash differing ideologies and beliefs but not characteristics one is born with.>> sums it up pretty well. That doesn't necessarily make it right, but I believe that's why things are as they are.

[Damien]

49. most fat people choose it

I don't know why people don't admit this. They eat too much -- they eat crap -- they don't work out. Most of the time it's their own doing.

[last_texas_dem]

85. Yeah, but...

...what about people like me who eat all kinds of unhealthy junk and don't exercise enough but don't get fat because of fast metabolism? Sure, I agree there's a difference between those who are overweight because they are born with an inclination towards it vs. those who get that way by choice, but I don't think that makes it "right" to bash them simply because the affects of this lifestyle choice happen to show for them. If it's to get them to change their behavior, don't non-overweight slobs deserve the same name-calling and attacks? :-) Anyway, that's just my take.

BTW, in case it sounds this way, this post isn't meant to be hostile towards you. Just at how ridiculous this situation is in general. I just figured most here could agree that name-calling is a negative and pointless thing to do, even when it feels good. :-)

[Damien]

142. you damn texan...grr...

j/k.

no, you're right. this thread has exploded quite a bit. I has drifted a number of times

[blondeatlast]

148. Seems to me what's severely lacking in this thread is TOLERANCE.

I'm much the same way. Most people would call me "lucky," but I'm subjected to plenty of scorn because I come close to the cultural "ideal." It's often assumed I watch what I eat very carefully (no one would look at me and think I have an eating disorder, though; I'm slender but HEALTHY) and exercise to excess--neither is true.

The OP proved her/his lack of tolerance with the terminolgy used, and the respondents proved their lack of tolerance by being defensive.

FWIW, my husband was raised Hindu and has been a veg all his life. He has NEVER given me crap about eating meat. He doesn't like it, of course, but he's--

TOLERANT of it.

Edit: make that Hindu, of course.

[xmas74]

109. How about the fact that many of the same

overweight people who are shoveling food down their throats actually suffer from a mental disorder?
Would you make fun of a drug addict?
Would you make fun of someone suffering from depression?
Food, for some, is their drug of choice. Most drugs you can choose to stay away from. Food is harder.
They also have been doing some newer research stating that there are a number of overweight people who suffer from depression or who do not know how to handle stress properly. Either way, food becomes the only way to deal with it.
I have never called a vegan a name. I have always applauded their choice of a healthy lifestyle. Some of the things that I have read are rather disappointing.

[Damien]

146. this relates to the smokers

and how it's ok to yell at them.

don't they have an addiction too?

I smoked for a long time -- it was my thing.

Was it right to keep me out in the winter cold instead of inside a nice warm bar?

The original post on this thread brought up a good point, but everyone is starting to get at each other's throats...

I appriciate you not insulting vegans. In all honesty, I don't use words like "fatass" or "retard." The original post just brought up a good point.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

18. Lighten up

[ronnykmarshall]

63. Stop the madness!!!!

http://www.vegetablecruelty.com/

[arwalden]

101. Oh. My. God.

[ronnykmarshall]

106. Damn them to hell!

Straight to hell!

[spunky]

119. lol. Now what am I supposed to eat?

air?

[Damien]

127. republicans

they are not human (therefore not animal), and certainly not a plant. Fire up the grill.

[spunky]

132. LMAO n/t

[yellowcanine]

20. If you use terms like "eat murdered animals" you have no right to

complain about the tone of the discussion because you have just set the tone, imo.

[Goldmund]

21. Your post may be a clue

"not to eat murdered animals"

It's because Vegans themselves constantly talk from a high horse and deride, explicitly or implicitly, those who eat meat (it's simply unavoidable that it would be that way, since vegans became vegans because they have a problem with eating meat -- most of them a "moral" problem) -- so it's only natural to expect a counter-reaction. Fat people or retarded people don't.

This isn't to say that I agree with bashing Vegans. But I'm not surprised.

[hollywood926]

30. I apologize....

my post clearly demands a higher intellectual capacity than can be found on this board.

Maybe I should post the post the same thing on the freeper board and see if they understand that I was posting in a hostile tone to illustrate the hostile tone vegans have to read on this board every single day.

I'll bet they get it.

[Goldmund]

35. Sorry (wo)man, I can only work with what I have to work with...

...God only gave me so many neurons.

[slutticus]

46. LOL

"my post clearly demands a higher intellectual capacity than can be found on this board." High Horse High Horse!!!


"Maybe I should post the post the same thing on the freeper board..." WTF? Maybe you should learn how to articulate better before going off about the intellectual capacity of your fellow DUers.

[asthmaticeog]

57. So being vegan automatically makes one smart now?

Of the vegans I've known, two are smart. The rest were holier-than-thou, evangelizing jackasses who were so dense they actually *wondered* why they had no non-vegan friends for very long.

"my post clearly demands a higher intellectual capacity than can be found on this board."

So you won't miss us then? That's a load off. :eyes:

[Lilith Velkor]

69. It also means your shit don't stink.

I've met two vegans who literally believed that. :eyes:

[StopTheMorans]

72. "my post clearly demands a higher intellectual capacity than can be found

on this board." you act as if you can't see the reasons that some people feel as if they are being talked down to by vegans, when you continually are acting the very way that turns many people off to some who militantly espouse a vegan lifestyle (and judge others for not doing so). you then act as if there is never any reason for some vegans being bashed on this board? i'm sorry, i'll go back to finger-painting now, apparently your logic is too much for my simple mind to grasp

[blondeatlast]

152. Please let us know how that goes?. Sounds interesting, but I can't stomach

(no pun intended, but what the hell)that place.

[Bridget Burke]

44. Hmmm....would Vegans actually "talk from a High Horse"?

Wouldn't that be abuse of our Equine Americans?

[Goldmund]

50. LOL

A high stalk?

[Jessica]

22. IMO, it's not okay to bash anyone ...

But, I find it very interesting that your post, which might be an attempt to get some real answers, does the exact thing you're complaining about.

[hollywood926]

26. Ummm, I was trying to illustrate a point by doing exactly what..

I was complaining about. I guess I expected Dems to pick right up on that.:eyes:

[Jessica]

27. There are a lot better ways to get your message across. /nt

[Beware the Beast Man]

31. Riiight.

Sorry, but sarcasm doesn't translate well online. Suffice to say, now we all know how you feel about a generous swath of the population. Have a wonderful stay. :hi:

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Because Vegans Aren't Really Human

They're a weird mutation of an alien species from about 2 billion years ago. So, we can make fun of them because they really don't have feelings or emotions.
The Professor

[YellowRubberDuckie]

29. The vegans I've encountered try to convert everyone to veganism...

and are very judgemental and rude when you resist. MEntally retarded people don't try to make you retarded, nor do fat people try to convert you into being fat. So, I think that's probably why.
Duckie

[hollywood926]

42. I have NEVER done that...

not once. EVER.

However, fat people DO try to make others fat. I work with two fat ladies and every day they bring in their plates of fatty people food and if you don't eat it, they mope around like you've just insulted them. And they call me skinny as another way of encouraging me to indulge. I'm not skinny. I am 5'6" and weigh 135 pounds. That's normal. They're fat and they are desperate for company.

[Beware the Beast Man]

53. Pssst! Hey little girl...want a Snickers bar?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[Damien]

151. lol...that's wrong

funny, but wrong.

[yellowcanine]

64. Not Once??? Come now - using terms like "murdered animals" is a

bit more than just defending your veganism. And, no I don't buy your explanation that you were just trying to illustrate your point. By the way, sarcasm is a form of hostility also, so your "explanation" doesn't cut it either way.

[xmas74]

118. I am not trying to judge,

but I will tell you that the ladies you work with probably are not trying to make you fat.
I worked with a lady who, if she liked you, would make all kinds of fattening things. Why? It was her way (that she felt acceptable) to show you that she cared.
They might be calling you skinny as a complement. Or, they might know that so many people are on diets (some when they don't need to be) and think that by complimenting you, it will boost your self-esteem to be accepting of how you look.
Not an expert here-I used to work with many farmers wives who view a situation like that exactly as I described it.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

77. I don't try and convert people.

nt

[Damien]

149. don't many people do that with many beliefs?

Christians, Athiests, Dodgers fans, et cetera.

We all have things we believe, and sometimes share that. Of course people try to change each other's minds. That's a good thing in a democracy.

[no name no slogan]

33. Fatass, retarded carnivore speaks out!!!

Well, maybe not retarded, but I am a bit of a lard-ass lately, and I am a proud omnivore (who only eats family-farm-raised animal products), so I'll chip in my $.02.

Most vegetarians/vegans I know are not the judgemental type-- in fact, I've eaten hamburgers right in front of them with not so much as a smirk from their mouths.

But when you start passing judgement on somebody based solely on her/his dietary choices, you've crossed a line. So don't be suprised if they don't get defensive when you start calling them "calf-killers" or some such thing. You're only making yourself a target.

BTW, it's widely known that Hitler was a vegetarian. So please don't make blanket assumptions about people based on their diets.

[hollywood926]

52. What the hell has that got to do with anything?

Bush is a carnivore.

Frankly, I'd rather have something in common with Hitler.

[Damien]

56. Hitler was a veg, Bush was a cattle rancher

hmm...guess everyone is evil...

I'm a veggie, and i don't pontificate to my omnivorous friends, but I do get bitchy when people start giving me shit about it (which is common).

[yewberry]

70. Actually, Hitler wasn't.

He liked to claim he was, but he wasn't. I can find a link if you want--if memory serves, his favorite dish was osso bucco!

I'm also veg and closed-mouthed until the needling starts.

Edit: According to Rudolph Hess' wife, Hitler's favorite dishes were liver dumplings and Bavarian sausages. Veggie treats indeed!

[Damien]

94. hmm...i didn't know

I was just responding to the same old lame argument that tie us to hitler.

thanks

[4_Legs_Good]

67. OMG! Hitler was a vegetarian??? I've *NEVER* heard that before!

Wow! BLINDING REVELATION!!!

Next thing you know, we'll hear that our teeth require us to eat meat!

Plus the Hitler deal is misleading...

Hitler's diet was primarily vegetarian throughout the latter part of his life; however, he didn't adopt a vegetarian diet for moral reasons, but because he suffered from gastric problems.
-http://www.snopes.com/glurge/twoquest.htm

david

P.S. Sorry to get snippy! It's the mad cow disease!

[dean_dem]

91. You forgot that God says we're supposed to eat meat...

...or so I've heard.

[4_Legs_Good]

100. How could I forget!

That's gotta be the only reason God created animals was for our food. Guh!

david

[Damien]

128. i hope you're joking

there is a long argument higher up about that...

I'm not going to get any work done today with this thread going.

[dean_dem]

138. Certainly not!

God says we're supposed eat meat but not eat shellfish, only spit on Thursday, own slaves, throw pies at gay people, not go to the bathroom, etc., etc.! So get on it, heathens!

[Padraig18]

37. You should really ask this question in Ask the Administrators. n/t

[Modem Butterfly]

41. And people say not eating meat makes you cranky.

:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

54. The PETA-bashing makes me kind of uneasy

Especially when it's in response to completely reasonable and rational manifestations by them, like "we found out Company X tortures animals needlessly. Here's the proof (link to graphic video that is confirmed authentic)"

OK, they have a penchant to theatrical, over-the-top stunts. I find it disturbing (in an Obi or Spider-Man way) when people basically shout "NO, DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANIMAL CRUELTY! REMEMBER, PETA SUCKS AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!"

Disclaimer: I eat meat. Lots thereof.

[Damien]

60. glad you listen

regardless of whether or not people eat meat, PETA does do a lot of good. Everyone is theatrical -- it's the nature of activism. Personally, I prefer interesting activism on all sides to dry, boring activism. But I'm easily amused.

[hollywood926]

65. Thanks, commiepinkodirtbag....

That was my complaint. I have never used the word "retard" (before now) nor have I made judgments about weight, but I read at least one anti-vegan thread every day, without fail. I was merely trying to show how it feels to be on the receiving end of that kind of crap.

And most of us don't care if you eat meat, but do you have to post a pic of the deer you just shot in the head and describe how you're going to slice it up? Could that be any more freeperlike?

[datasuspect]

84. it sure would be nice

if everyone acted in accordance with out wishes, wouldn't it?

ducks, meet row.

ahh. . . all better.

[NC_Nurse]

59. Why do you give a shit?

I'm fat, I don't give a shit what people say or think about it.

My brother is retarded, if you make fun of retarded people, I know you're an asshole. If you just call someone a "retard" like so many people do, I'll write it off as insensitive.

I used to be a vegetarian. Changed my mind. Now I eat some meat. I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks.

How about jumping off a thread that you find offensive? Does it really matter?

I save my rage for the f***ers in our govt. who are screwing us ALL with their policies.

But whatever...

[Gemini Cat]

62. It's not okay to bash anyone.

Why are you trying to figure out who to bash??

[arwalden]

68. When People Use The Words "Murdered" and "Animals" Side By Side

... it almost *invites* ridicule and poking of fun. Animals are not people. Butter is not an animal. Cheese doesn't care if its eaten. Eggs don't care either. (And the kooks at Peta and ALF certainly don't make it any easier for vegans either.)

>>... the obese person who eats dead animal carcass... <

You mean MURDERED animal carcass, right? :eyes: I guess that's better than eating road-kill.

-- Allen

murder 1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

murder 1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

[Damien]

73. why do you think that definition is written the way it is?

to justify eating meat. Really now -- I'd think higher of DUers than not to see we can't use a definition that is meant to justify certain actions and not others.

[datasuspect]

74. shhh.....

don't use reason and linguistic analysis!

how else can you expect people to get their points across if they don't speak in extremes?!?!>

[arwalden]

96. Sorry... My Bad!

Of course you're correct.

[Modem Butterfly]

79. I've heard that some eggs like to get eaten

The sooner after getting laid the better!

[hollywood926]

83. Really?

So I'm guessing that if someone rips the head off that cute little puppy, you will naturally not press charges. What if they intend to eat it? That should be OK, right? Dogs are certainly edible and many say they are quite yummy.

You can call it slaughter or murder....it's all semantics. When you take the life of another living being, it's all the same regardless of your desperate attempts to rationalize it.

[Goldmund]

93. "take the life of another living being"

So what do you eat, then? Silicone compounds?

[yellowcanine]

114. Now - are you still just trying to illustrate your point - or do you mean

it this time? I am confused.

[pres2032]

115. so, um, do you eat rocks?

every other food comes from a living thing. Or don't you consider plants to be living?

[hollywood926]

129. Now you're just arguing about nonsense....

That's a pretty dog. I'm hungry.

Eating your dog is no different than eating a tomato, right?

[Goldmund]

133. It must be, again, the lack of my intellectual capacity...

...but seems like your argument is entirely made up of emotional prejudices.

So, you're not against killing living beings... But only ANTHROPOMORPHIC living beings? Ain't that a little, um, elitist? Homo-centric?

[arwalden]

121. Oh Brother!

>> So I'm guessing that if someone rips the head off that cute little puppy, you will naturally not press charges. <<

Absurd. And even with ridiculous comparisons like that the Peta kooks wonder why they are ridiculed.

>> What if they intend to eat it? That should be OK, right? <<

Beef-ranch cattle and poultry-farm chickens are not companion animals. Nor are they your (or my) personal property. Pity you don't understand the difference.

>> Dogs are certainly edible and many say they are quite yummy. <<

LOL! Certainly. Mmmm. Yummy. Dogs and wolves are eaten in many parts of the world. So what?

And pigs make wonderful pets too... but I eat "murdered :eyes: pig carcasses" too. Some folks keep chickens for pets. But I eat them too. Often.

>> it's all the same regardless of your desperate attempts to rationalize it. <<

Oh brother! You should probably be told that the only thing "desperate" around here are the attempts to equate animals with human beings.

Animals are not humans. Animals are not people. They are not equal.

[underpants]

71. Why do people hate people from LasVegas?

I don't understand! I don't think it is right!

[dean_dem]

75. Nevermiiiind!

[Damien]

78. Damn Addicts!

and whores!

oh -- vegas people...nevermind :dunce: I thought you were talking about conservatives for some reason. ya'll are fine.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

89. Some Vegans are like Fundies

They have found the one true path and everyone else is wrong.

I don't give a shit what people eat, I just don't need to hear about it.

[Stop_the_War]

137. SOME vegans! Not me!

I'm vegan and I feel no need to push it on others.

[WI_DEM]

97. Funny I don't see hardly any threads which insult vegans

but there are tons of insensitive morons who like to ridicule fat people--you know even your lovely comments. By the way, I know a few fat vegetarians. I don't think we should insult any person or group. It's a shame in standing up for vegans you decided to insult fat people.

[dean_dem]

105. Man this thread is turning into the equivalent of a Lounge riot.

It's kind of funny actually, how 'bout I just stir the sh*t a little more and say old people can't drive and poor people are lazy? And......go!

OK, kidding. Seriously, maybe its just the fact that most people, for as much as they like to pat themselves on the back for being enlightened and sensitive to others, are usually just as ignorant and narrow-minded and oblivious to others' feelings as everyone else. Thus people will complain about insulting vegans but will laugh at fat people. Fat people will complain about insulting retared people but make fun of vegans. Not to sound like a dirty smelling hippie (b/c its still okay to make fun of hippies...really) maybe everyone needs to put a little more effort into not being complete assholes to each other all the time. And grow the hell up while you're at it.

[Lilith Velkor]

111. Food fiiiiiiight!

I"M A ZIT!!!!! *squish*

[dean_dem]

113. That's it, I'm calling time out.

Fat people in one corner, vegans in the other corner, and retarded people in another!;-)

[Damien]

117. no no, other corner retards

it's like they can't follow directions or something.

yeesh.

[xmas74]

123. Get it!

Belushi was a genius!

[richmwill]

112. Here's why...

Because overweight people don't think that I'm a horrible person because I am not overweight. Mentally-challenged people don't think I am terrible for not being so.

If a person wants to be a vegan- fine, good for you. Live your life and be happy. But stop whining and crying when you see me eating a hamburger.

And as for "attacking organizations"- the only one I attack is PETA. I can't respect an organization that tells children "your parents are murderers".

[Damien]

120. how often have i read on DU

"U.S. soldiers are murderers." How do any children/parents reading that feel?

It's all a matter of perspective right?

[hollywood926]

124. Link, please?

I have never read such a statement from anyone associated with PETA. There are always a few stray loons in every organization - are you attributing one of their statements to the organization as a whole?

[HEyHEY]

122. Retards and Fatasses don't choose to be that way

[Damien]

125. ummm...we've been over this

please read last 120something posts.

[hollywood926]

126. You should read some of the other replies...

this has been covered. And yes, fat people choose to be fat - and they sue McDonald's and claim they didn't know that eating three Big Macs would make them gain weight.

[democracyindanger]

143. Because retarded people and fat asses don't get all morally superior.

Hint, hint.

[Moderator]

153. Locking....

This is flamebait and contains unacceptable
stereotypes.



DU Moderator