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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:53 AM
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Poll question: Should women be allowed to run for President?
I say no. I don't have anything against women, and there are plenty that'd make fine Presidents, but think of President Ann Coulter. That's simply too much of a risk to take. So I'd prefer that women not be allowed to run for President until Ann Coulter's dead.

(note: very heavy sarcasm for those who can't catch it)

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:55 AM
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1. They are already allowed to
But we aren't ready for a female leader yet.

Won't be for quite awhile either.
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:58 AM
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3. 'Scuse me, maple...
...are you kidding? Do you mean we aren't ready to ELECT a woman or we aren't ready to deal with a woman running?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:00 AM
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8. Not kidding
We aren't ready to elect a female leader as yet.

Or for some time to come.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:02 PM
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49. so in the meantime
we suffer through the most despicable men imaginable. Apparently, we are ALWAYS ready for THAT.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:04 AM
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18. "we" as in who?
I would be ready, if the nominee were proven to be an effective leader, with good ideas. If Granholm were natural born, I'd vote for her for example (btw, I hope if a dem wins in '04, they'd consider her for attorney general).
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:06 AM
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20. 'We'
as in Americans and Canadians.

Or pretty well any country in the 'western' world. There are only a couple of exceptions, the most notable being the UK.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:08 AM
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22. Didn't Canada have a female Prime Minister once already?
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:10 AM by Wonk
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:11 AM
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23. Not a nationally elected one
PM Mulroney announced his retirement, and Kim Campbell won the leadership of the party. She functioned as PM until the election was called and went down to a major defeat, retaining only 2 seats in the House, and losing her own riding.
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Interrobang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:52 PM
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48. Duh. That wasn't 'cause of Campbell...
She didn't cause that; Mulroney did. Like I said before, you must not be very old, because I remember being there and voting in that election, and believe you me, Mulroney was very much on people's minds when they consigned the Federal Tories to the dumpster of history, face-first. She was just the unfortunate patsy who wound up taking the fall for it. Not that, I think, if she'd been re-elected as the PM she would have done much good, but her getting thrown out had nothing to do with her being female and had everything to do with Meech Lake, NAFTA, and the general pro-American, Reaganesque policies that make Mulroney a curse-word even today. ISTR that people were very *pleased* with her becoming the first female PM ever, as a contextless fact, but Mulroney's evil deeds did for her, kind of the same way Teflon Mike Harris' (ptui!) bungling and corruption did for Blackout Ernie Eves.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:06 PM
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55. Mulroney wasn't running.
He had retired.

So if you were voting against Mulroney, then you should indeed be saying 'duh' because it suits your level of knowledge.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:11 AM
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24. The First Female PM was from Sri Lanka
Benazir Bhutto was elected PM in Pakistan and Indira Gandhi in India.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:11 AM
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25. Didn't Norway have a female prime minister or foreign minister?
but its so much more fun to use this particular whippin' gal for the butt of sarcastic irony - and give others the choice opportunity - in prankster fun - to show how much we think of the local women folk around here. Lets play fun - and vote no! :eyes:
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Interrobang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:47 PM
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47. You're not very old, are you?
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 05:48 PM by Interrobang
Canada's already HAD a female PM, thus proving that Canada is WAY ahead of the US in gender equality: An incompetent woman finally rose to the top spot in the nation, when incompetent men had been holding the spot periodically for years. Unless of course you don't want to admit that KIM CAMPBELL (hello?!) was actually female!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:03 PM
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53. Actually I'm 57
and had you read the thread before posting you'd know that Campbell was never elected by the country.

It was a summer job for her.

And since I'm female...HELLOOOOOO!
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:57 AM
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2. "Allowed"????
WTF? :wtf:
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:00 AM
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9. It's a pretty short opening post
not too difficult to read the whole thing.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:06 PM
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51. Short, but sweet answer
I couldn't expand on it any better. Geesh!
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:59 AM
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4. It's just a joke...
right?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:00 AM
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7. did you read my whole post?
n/t
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:23 AM
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31. Sure I did!
My post was not so much a question to you, as it was a reminder to others who were taking you serously.

:-)

peace train take this country
come take me home again...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:59 AM
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5. hey to the no voter
may rush become your mayor... and all the pox that follow.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:02 AM
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13. amened last post to no voters
yep, never missing the chance to have a lil ole fun at the 'spence of the women folk. :eyes:
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:03 AM
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17. lurking freepers? jokers?
people playing along with the sarcasm of my original post?

(note: despite the sarcasm, I did vote yes)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:08 AM
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21. or just those who like
havin' a lil ole fun at the 'spence of the womin folks.

Not altogether uncommon around here. Just need to bitchslap these gals aroun' abit an keep 'em in 'ere place.

Thanks for - even in sarcasm - opening up that particular can of worms.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:59 AM
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6. No need to change the Constitution. They are already alllowed to run
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:02 AM
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12. that's why the 19th amendment should've never been passed
while it's a shame women would be denied the right to vote or run, it's all worth it to avoid President Ann Coulter.

(note: more sarcasm for those unable to easily identify it.)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:25 AM
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32. shouldn't this be in the lounge?
given it is admittedly by the author a 'sarcasm' piece not a point of discussion?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:26 AM
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34. I'm using sarcasm to make a point
which I've seen done here before many times.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:32 AM
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36. often moved to the lounge
but yours is special.

It shouldn't be moved. It lets those bores among us just once again express how much joy can be gleaned at antagonizing the women folk.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:34 AM
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37. this was never about joy or joking for joke's sake
it was an analogy to the argument that foreign born should be disenfranchised to prevent Arnold from running.

the purpose was never to be funny, make light of a situation, or anything of the sort.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:41 AM
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40. and the cost of your joke
getting to see a whole slew of duers agree with your sarcastic suggestion. Well just bitch slap me silly.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:43 AM
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41. a whole slew?
I see 4 votes. About the same level of that as from lurking Freepers.

Do you think there are any DUers who would seriously answer "no".

by the way, this wasn't really a "joke", in that jokes are intended to be funny. This was not.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:15 AM
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42. Actually
I do think there are some. And nearly 20% is a whole slew. No the joke part was having people actually vote on it to let the 'results' be shown. You, yourself have stated that you don't believe that DUers would vote this way - but you invited it - and they have. That is the 'joke' - an opportunity to send a funny little message out to the female Duers.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:01 AM
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10. Gee, the foreign-born poll really torqued you off... (nm)
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:01 AM
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11. Lemme guess
Response to the response to the "Foreign-born citizen" poll?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:02 AM
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15. ding ding ding
just an analogy. What I'm saying here is about as logical as the argument that foreign born shouldn't be allowed to run just to keep Arnold out.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:02 AM
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14. They are already allowed to
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:11 AM by Classical_Liberal
but I'll tell you if it ever happens Ann is more likely to become Pres than Arianna Huffington, or Barbara Boxer, and Arnold will be Pres before Caeser Chaves, which is why I consider this a fairly trivial and unimportant issue in the scheme of things.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:06 AM
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19. you are right about this eom
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:03 AM
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16. no?
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:04 AM by sujan
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:16 AM
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26. WooHoo... to make a point - lets just go the distance.. lets
disenfranchise the chicks.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:18 AM
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28. you are taking this waaaaaay too seriously
I'm not disenfranchising anyone. The results of this poll will have no bearing on society at all. Perhaps I should've made it a typical post instead of a poll, but the fact that 2 lurking Freepers voted no is not something to be so concerned about. They vote for Bush in presidential polls here too.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:20 AM
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30. Or perhaps you are waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy to flippant?
always a second side. Just love lookin' at the joke poll and seeing once again how easy it is to dis the chicks here at DU. Every one has their point where tolerance goes out the window. Tonight, this just happpened to be mine. Not a big thing - just a little bit of straw (the old camel and all that.)

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:17 AM
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27. Or perhaps the better question: Is it time to stop letting men be eligible
to run for president?

We sure didn't drive this country into the ground. Making it illegal for men to run could get bush out of the WH - remember... ABB...
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:19 AM
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29. actually yes, you just helped prove my point some more
strip men of the right to run would stop both Bush AND Arnold.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:26 AM
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33. Uh...
Think of President John Ashcroft. Juxtapose that with President Coulter.

LOL! Of course they should be alloweed. I also think foreign born citizens should be allowed, for the same reason: Evil people are not race/sex based, they just exist.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:27 AM
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35. your last paragraph is pretty much common sense
but apparentely not to the majority of DUers who think disenfranchising an entire class of people is worth it just to stop Arnold.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:34 AM
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38. Only if they're of sufficient age and natural-born to the USA
Anything else would be unConstitutional.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:40 AM
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39. Hey we got some Anne Coulters in the house!
Welcome dudes! Let's just do as the thread originator suggests and just take the damn vote away from the women altogether.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:12 PM
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43. I think you mean heavy-HANDED sarcasm
this has nothing to do with the original thread
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:11 PM
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44. It's interesting to look at the countries that have had female leaders
(including elected leaders) and see how many are extremely conservative, even misogynistic, societies - and yet many pundits in the U.S. are convinced that a woman still has no chance of winning a Presidential election. I can only shake my head in bafflement. I mean, PAKISTAN had a female leader. INDIA. PHILLIPPINES. ISRAEL. Dozens of others. Yet here we sit, building that bridge to the 19th century anew every day...

(not aimed at you, BB, I do understand the concept of irony)
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:19 PM
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45. I get it...
and I agree with you. Completely.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:34 PM
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52. kidding, right?
well what the hell the right seems damned and determined to move us back to the 1890s - why not take away women's sufferage while were at it.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:06 PM
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54. You didn't get the post...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:39 PM
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46. Freedom comes with risk, or so the adage goes
Somehow, Coulter is no worse than Bush*. Might be better in some ways, you can never tell.

I only want a candidate who is for the people, not the corporation. That narrows things down greatly, too.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:05 PM
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50. ABSOLFRIGGENLOUTELY!
about damn TIME we had a female in charge! :thumbsup:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:07 PM
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56. Allowed? Of course not!
That's one less woman available to make me a sammich! Dammit, I want my sammich!

/silly post
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 07:18 PM
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57. congratulations
on a waste of bandwidth.
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