There's a strict dress code at the White House. Dick can't just stroll into his office wearing a t-shirt and jeans. All employees must wear suits for men and dresses for women. Proper attire is mandatory when working in the White House.
Dick Cheney was the official representative of the United States of America at that memorial service. He can respect a dress code where he works. Why can't he respect one where he's the official respresenative of a soverign country?
16. Interesting perspective.... so, diplomatic situations and memorials
should be casual events... I understand where you're coming from, but I've got a problem with OUR government deciding that NOW is the time to be "business-casual" trailblazers in the world. I think we might just benefit from trying to respect others for a while, in just this smallest of ways. Instead, the rest of the world just see this, nods its collective head and feels put-down my America... again. Like it or not, he was our representative at this memorial... he may be representing you, but I doubt that he's representing most of us.
Just as freedom of religion or freedom of expression isn't a given in certain contexts. Just as democracy isn't a given in some contexts. These are all worthy goals, as freedom to wear what you want may be, but getting them actually accomplished requires some finesse. In the Bushist world, you just force your "goals" on people, whether they're ready or not.
In my opinion, wearing what you want at a memorial for the dead of Auschwitz is inappropriate, especially for a representative of the the nation whose soldiers (with the Russians) liberated the survivors from the camps. Clothing is a sign, like it or not.
and i understand that symbols mean alot to certain people, but you know what, get over it. He was showing respect, he didn't have to show up. He did, and he sat there respectfully. Give the guy a break, some people just want to find fault in every little thing anyone they don't like does...he was wearing clothes that could be deemed inappropriate, so what?? I can't be respectful cuz my pants are the wrong color...do you realize how stupid that sounds?
41. Yes, he DID have to show up... we PAY him to represent us on such
occasions. Do you realize how stupid it sounds to say that our highest officials shouldn't have to respect the wishes of others, shouldn't have to be diplomatic to other countries, should be able to dress for any occasion however HE as a single person sees fit, as if he is not representing an entire country?
not that circumstance should even matter. Respecting the wishes of others is all well and good, but not when those wishes are inherently stupid, such as an inforced dress code. We live in a society that wants everyone to look the same and supresses individuality, just let the guy wear what he wants. I think the freedom of him choosing to wear anything would better represent our country than a black suit.
55. His outfit symbolizes "I don't give a shit." Nice way to repair relations
He's a multimillionaire - he can afford the warmest overcoat in Poland, if he really lost his luggage flying Air Force 2.
And you've got it absolutely right - you can't be respectful if your pants are the wrong color. By definition you are NOT respectful if you can't or won't take the time and effort observe the traditions and sensitivities of others.
Are you serious? Cheney is making a strike against the oppression of the dress code in your book? Is a memorial for the dead of Auschwitz an appropriate place to make that strike? If you were invited to Auschwitz what would you wear?
In the US, the dress code is already well on its way to being nonexistent. Maybe that's a good thing. I'm agnostic about it. I'd rather not have to wear ties to the office, as I have to do most days, for some reason. But it doesn't kill me or hurt me to wear ties. Would it have killed Cheney to dress in black at Auschwitz, to not turn himself into a spectacle there? (And if it did kill him, so what?!)
21. Should be.... that's one thing, but it IS important...
and WE in our perilous position in the world today should not be the ones trying to break that particular mold. I do think that if he had lost his luggage, he might have been able to send a SS person out to buy him a suit, no?
a lack of respect would be if he decided to take a leak right there...he was sitting there respectfully, what he has on shouldn't matter...unless he was wearing something that specifically denounced the victims or something of that sort.
i understand that perhaps we as a country aren't in the best position to be pissing people off, and that the timing might be bad, but still, let the guy wear whatever. Other people see what alot of liberals do as a lack of respect, but who cares...its not about making nice with people, its about breaking down the walls of oppression! For a bunch of liberals, i don't see why you'd all be uptight about dress codes.
37. well we as liberals are totally pissing off republicans
who are in the majority as far as government positions go...so i suppose we shouldn't do anything that might remotely upset them...lets put the gay marriage issue on hold, and stop fighting for any causes, because a majority might be upset.
That's why we're getting uptight about the dress code.
Dressing appropriately at a formal ceremony, especially in Europe, is a mark of being culturally sensitive and showing respect. When you are a guest in someone else's home, or at someone else's ceremony, you respect their wishes.
He is representing MY COUNTRY, and he did so BADLY.
62. If you had no other clothes or you had no time to change your
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clothes I might understand as a friend, but if you had no obstacles to your going the extra mile to dressing appropriately (such as formal, black attire for a funeral or formal attire for a wedding) then you would be the one that is not a true friend.
text book hypocracy...here we are, fighting for peoples rights and freedoms. And yet we look down upon people and throw little hissy fits just because they don't conform to socially imposed norms such as dress codes. Its not hurting anyone, and if someones offended by it, they should just get over it.
I find it very strange. Did you grow up in a nudist colony or something? You have this completely unrealistic attitude about clothing.
Look, in a perfect world, where human beings all were psychic or something and saw directly into each others hearts and were able to see their motivation and purity of thought and soul, then maybe we would and could all slop around all day in sweats and shorts and everyone would be cool with it.
But we don't live in that world. We live in this world, where, like it or not, you are judged by what you wear. Your clothing reflects who you are and what you do. When your job at a construction site, you are practical and wear jeans and work boots. When your job is selling cosmetics to women, you dress fashionably, smell nice and wear cosmetics. When your job is representing the United States, as a diplomat, you should look like a diplomat and act like a diplomat. What do you wear to your job?
80. yes, and until people like the ones on this thread stop caring
we'll always live in the world where people care about how others dress, and we'll never reach the perfect world you speak of. And its not that I have a thing about dress...its that I don't have a thing about dress. And at my work, I wear whatever i feel like
You have this whole rebel-without-a-suit thing going on. Whatever, I guess you don't have to deal with customers or work in the corporate world. Good for you, must be nice. Most of the workaday world doesn't see it that way.
You know, I used to think like that, when I was 18, that people should only judge each other by their hearts and so on. But -- sad but true-- people DON'T. They judge each other by their outward appearances. So, being a proud member of the reality-based-community, I acknowledge the reality of it!
60. LMAO on the lost luggage bit! Come on he's at...
the memorial service for Auschwitz and he is wearing a storm trooper jacket and boots. Something is definitely wrong with his brain. Then again lets see. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz. Yep those are German names. Hitler would be proud!
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