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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:03 PM
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More evidence that disco sucks....

LAGANAS, Greece (Reuters) -- Disco lights are luring baby turtles to their deaths on the fringes of a Greek marine park in the Mediterranean Sea.



http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/09/05/disco.turtles.reut/index.html
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:04 PM
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1. Disco died almost 25 years ago, so...

...kindly get a life!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:07 PM
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2. No it didn't... the name was changed to "dance music."
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 03:10 PM by wyldwolf
And I guess cafes suck, too, because the article says, "...neon lights from discos and cafes...
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:25 PM
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3. woah, chill, Disco Stu...
"disco sucks" was a rather popular expression in my time. It was a humorous reference.

Party on with your bad self to whatever music you like. Just leave the baby turtles alone.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:28 PM
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4. Can I still eat at the cafes, too?
:)
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:41 PM
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5. only...
if they dim the lights during hatching season.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:45 PM
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6. Many consider "disco sucks" a homophobic remark
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 03:47 PM by roughsatori
Since at the time disco was known to have started as a gay and African-American phenomenon before moving into heterosexual encampments. So the "disco sucks" mantra was homophobic code for some members of the white, heterosexual, rock set.

I've never liked disco but do remember thinking many who used the phrase seemed to have an anti-gay relish in the exclamation.

I'm not saying it was, or that you are, homophobic. But I have read the claim that the phrase was rooted in hatred of gays and African-Americans. And think that it was probably a backlash against gay liberation as we are starting to see again.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:53 PM
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7. There was a big story done on this by music writer Ken Barnes...
... and used, in part, on Rhino's "The Disco Years."

Essentially, disco challenged the lock rock music had in pop culture and the rockers didn't take to kindly to it.

Plus, most of it was done by African Americans, hispanics, gays, and women - "fringe" groups looked upon with suspicion.

Finally, disco dancing took some level of skill to do - skill the milling dancing rockers didn't have. This made it appear a very exclusive and elitist movement.

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billfromwny Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 04:47 PM
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8. Maybe it was just a gut reaction against a crappy form of music
every damm song sounded almost the same; and they keep trying to bring it back. Ugh, the whine of the BeeGees

:puke
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 04:53 PM
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9. Fear and loathing handily exorcised by leer and frothing
Seriously. Think of the reasons you didn't like it. Here is USA music writer Ken Barnes' take on it:

This is the kind of music rock 'n' rollers love to hate. And though much of it may be lightweight, the reasons why it was (and is) reviled carry some serious sociological tonnage.

This music was so disliked that well over a decade later the very word "disco" is still a stigma that musical astigmatics attach indiscriminately to anything with a dance beat. Back then, during its late-'70s peak, disco and its backlash threatened to foment out-and-out class war.

What was the problem? Let's concede that some disco was repetitive. Certainly its radio omnipresence bred and spread discontent. But that's not enough - you could cite exactly the same conditions with regard to the simple-minded bubblegum music of 1968-70, but nobody publicly demolished piles of Ohio Express albums or trashed baseball stadiums in mass anti-gum rallies.

No, the kind of sentiment that led to the 1979 Comiskey Park disco destruction derby (when mobs of Chicagoland rockers were so invigorated by the demolition of 20,000 disco records that they wreaked some impromptu havoc on the ballpark itself, causing the cancellation of the second game of a White Sox doubleheader) was something stronger. Some of the reasons disco was so violently loathed by rock 'n' rollers are...

• It was alienating. It's a minor point, but unlike the freeform dancing late-'60s/early-'70s pop inspired, or the slack-jawed milling that was the norm at rock concerts, disco demanded a degree of dancing skill quite foreign to the rock culture, requiring as it did choreography, coordination with a partner, and agility.

• Along the same lines, disco's renascent sense of fashion (laughable as some of its manifestations may seem today) clashed with the jeans and T-shirt rock mentality. Anyone dressing up for disco purposes was cruising for a dressing down.

• More seriously, disco was the music of threatening subcultures. Women and blacks performed most disco hits. And the natural constituency of disco - both record-buying and club-going -
- was blacks, Latinos, the urban working class... all regarded with suspicion by the rock majority.

• Disco was also the music of choice for a large proportion of gays, whose clubs nurtured the sound, who spread he word, and who formed a solid backbone of support. All of which helps explain why
"disco sucks," the universal catchphrase of the rock set circa 1978-81, was really a euphemistic way of saying "(ethno-sexual epithet of your choice) sucks!" Fear and loathing handily exorcised by leer and
frothing.

The lingering effects of the disco backlash's psychological baggage have distorted objective evaluation of the music of the disco era for years. By now, it may be possible to view it more clearly. Disco gave us gold chains, white suits, and aerobics, but it also gave us authentically popular music that thrives, in evolved form, today.

Dance music has been the beat at the heart of rock 'n' roll from the late '40s jump bands to the techno '90s. And the dance-pop of the '80s, quickened by a disco-inspired coalition of black American funkateers and white British scenesters, has become arguably the most fully integrated, universal pop style ever.

As with any musical form, there were a lot of great disco records and a lot of lousy ones.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 04:57 PM
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10. Didn't the Democratic rival of a Republican
have a television commercial featuring the Repuke with Disco music playing in the background? It was clear they were trying to invoke homophobia in the voters. I think it was Minnesota, but not sure.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 05:08 PM
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11. I'm not sure if they were playing the music...
...but it showed the candidate, when he was a hair stylist, dressed in "disco" type attire (open silk shirt with a neck chain.)

Funny thing is, the dems made no reference to the candidate being gay. But the republicans, demonstrating perfectly some people's prejudice to that music era, played the "gay" card. THEY interpreted it as "gay."
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 05:46 PM
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12. well...
I came out of the closet in 1979, the peak of disco.

Never before in my life have I heard "disco sucks" being used as a homophobic putdown.

Anyway... won't somebody think of the turtles?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:05 PM
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13. The Turtle Story Has NOTHING To Do With Disco...
... It could be the lights from a JAZZ club or a COUNTRY bar that attracts the turtles the wrong way.

Totally unfair.



-- Allen
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:06 PM
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14. Just an underhanded way to bash...
... kinda "freeper" like in a reactionary way.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:17 PM
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15. LOL...
wow... I never would've expected to provoke such a response.

I hereby affirm that I am NOT a freeper, a homophobe, nor a disco-hater.

I'm gay. I came of age in the 1970's. I did the whole disco thing.

I was playing off the headline of the article. Sorry to offend.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:25 PM
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16. I don't think anyone is offended...
...there are often threads on the "disco sux" mentality. Of course fans of the music will protest.
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