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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:25 PM
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Google toolbar KILLS POP-UPS DEAD!
I just downloaded it and I couldn't be more pleased with the performance! Plus I have a Google search field at the ready all the time!

Nice! :D
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:26 PM
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1. I like it too
Enjoy!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:27 PM
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2. yeah, in the beginning it killed all pop ups
now it lets them though most of the time.

I switched browers to Firefox, on DUers recommendations.

Haven't had one since.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:28 PM
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4. Firefox?
I'll have to check that out!
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:35 PM
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8. yeah I use it... Great app!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:49 PM
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14. It runs slow, I sit there drumming my fingers waiting for it to work
:shrug:
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:29 PM
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6. True, it does let some through
But I use Mozilla (also on DUers' recommendations), and it's pretty good about stopping pop-ups, but I get the Albert Einstein IQ test ad almost every day.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:25 PM
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17. this is true ... coincidentally, I just emailed google to tell them this
Edited on Mon May-24-04 01:32 PM by cosmicdot
at first, it blocked all ... like the one that shows up at DU's home page ... now, it's back ... 'fastclick' is shown in the 'properties' ... it's so annoying ...

of course, when the first pop-up appeared, I emailed the company which started it to ask: why? to say: stop!

should've been nipped in the bud at the beginning

regulation to protect us
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:27 PM
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3. It's a devil's bargain.
Google is part of the dark side.

Do you like the spyware, too?
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:29 PM
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7. I don't really mind spyware...
I traded in my tinfoil hat for some peace of mind a long time ago...

plus, its on my work computer... I could care less what Google sees!
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:49 PM
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13. I'm not comfortably numb, yet...
Maybe someday.
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Soloflecks Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:45 PM
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10. Here's the info on Google
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:58 PM
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15. Why Google is Evil 1-10
points we raised in connection with this nomination necessarily focused on privacy issues:

1. Google's immortal cookie:
Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038. This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them. This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime you land on a Google page, you get a Google cookie if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and record your unique ID number.

2. Google records everything they can:
For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration. Increasingly, Google is customizing results based on your IP number. This is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on geolocation."

3. Google retains all data indefinitely:
Google has no data retention policies. There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the user information they collect and save.

4. Google won't say why they need this data:
Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-28) asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment.

5. Google hires spooks:
Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington.

6. Google's toolbar is spyware:
With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.

7. Google's cache copy is illegal:
Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out."

8. Google is not your friend:
By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may find themselves penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even answer email from webmasters.

9. Google is a privacy time bomb:
With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 02:07 PM
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19. Oh bah, thats a load of bull
Google Watch is a site started and run by a guy who was angry because Google put an end to his dishonest business practices. I'm honestly suprised they haven't sued him into oblivion yet.

1. Google's immortal cookie:Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038.

That's a blatant lie. AltaVista was using perisistent cookies to store user settings long before anyone had ever heard of Google. Besides, cookies have long been held to be an acceptable way to store user preferences, and modern browsers make it very easy to turn them off if you're worried about them.

2. Google records everything they can: For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration

Sounds like their webservers create a standard log file. Any website you visit records the same things, because logging is on by default in every major server application on the Internet.

3. Google retains all data indefinitely: Google has no data retention policies

Incorrect. Google does not PUBLISH their data retention policies, and there are solid security reasons for doing so. Where I work, we maintain our security and activity logs for four years before deletion, but we don't publish this info to the public either. If someone's doing something wrong on our servers, we DON'T want them to know how long we'll have the evidence around.

4. Google won't say why they need this data: Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored.

The fact that this even makes the list shows either the desperation or the stupidity of the author. Activity logs are generated and created because they are A) Often the only way to identify and track crackers attempting to breach your security, and B) Because they allow website owners to identify the amount, time, and origination of their traffic so they can optomize their systems to best meet demand. This is Webmaster 101 stuff here.

5. Google hires spooks: Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency.

So? The NSA has some of the most intelligent people in the world working on systems designed to parse through huge amounts of data in reasonable amounts of time to turn up relevant or useful information. They also have some of the best mathemeticians and cryptographers in the country working on algorithms to speed the computing and processing of large amounts of information. It doesn't take an Einstein to realize why Google would be interested in hiring some of them away.

And the last time I checked, engineers aren't considered "spooks".

6. Google's toolbar is spyware:

The only valid complaint in the whole list. The solution? Don't use it. I should mention that, unlike other spuware companies, at least Google admits to the practice and makes it easy to disable this functionality.

7. Google's cache copy is illegal:

This has NOT been established yet. Besides, if Googles cache is illegal according the the 9th circuit precedent, then so is the Wayback Machine and every other web archiving service on the Internet. If he's willing to make this accusation
(which amounts to prosecutable libel IMO), then he'd have to declare the cache in your own browser illegal as well. The Web is a "Get & Retrieve" system...you cannot view ANYTHING without making a copy of it.

8. Google is not your friend: By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites

I love web newbies. Google dominates because everyone else sucks. I've heard this same argument ("They have too much power and can/will control searching") used against Yahoo, WebCrawler, and AltaVista at various points throuout the history of the web. In every case, the search engines dominated because they offered better results than everyone else, and in everycase they lost their position because someone better came along (WebCrawler was bumped by Yahoo which was bumped by AltaVista which was bumped by Google). Someday someone will develop something that trumps Google, and I'm sure this type will repeat the same arguments against them.

9. Google is a privacy time bomb

According to what logic? Google records the same info as other sites, logs it like other sites, and keeps it like other sites. Blaming Google for government interest in their databases is like blaming a rape victim for attracting the rapists attention...place the blame on the perpetrator (the government), not the victim.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 07:43 PM
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20. Sounds like you work for Google...
or are invested.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:28 PM
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5. I knew Google was evil...
...when they denied Mac users their little toolbar thingy.

"Halp! I'm bein' oppressed!!" :silly:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:42 PM
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9. People should ditch IE altogether
I use Avant Browser, and also have Firefox on my system.

Avant is built on the IE framework, but uses popup and banner blocking. Also uses tabbed browsing.

For people who are afraid to part with IE, Avant is a nice alternative.

Get it here:

http://www.avantbrowser.com/
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scotty2004 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:47 PM
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11. people should
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scotty2004 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:48 PM
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12. people should
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:02 PM
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16. If you insist..How's the weather in Prague.?..
You're city has always fascinated me.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:27 PM
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18. I use pop-up stopper and it works 99.9% of the time
I have only had one or two pop-ups make it through in a thousand.

http://www.panicware.com/
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