The DLC needs to wake up

[Az]

The DLC seem ready to destroy our chances should a left leaning candidate gain the nomination. This would suggest that their argument that its all for the win is meaningless. The DLC may have started as a tactics commitee but they have become a group unto themself. They are not just calling for dems to vote for their pick so dems can win. They are shilling for their own ideals. Stealing votes from left leaning candidates.

If the DLC is realy about team Democrat then they need to get on board with where the energy is in the party. They need to find ways to make left leaning dems more winnable. They need to support the team they claim they are part of or they need to find a different team to play for.

[Walt Starr]

1. Dean or Green

That's my motto now. The DLC has backed me into a corner. This is my only response now.

[vi5]

6. Where were you when I got flamed....

For implying that such people existed? Honestly that was the worst flaming I had ever received when I implied that there were any Dean or Green people. It's your right to vote as you wish but boy did I get ripped to shreds for implying such a thing.

[Walt Starr]

9. I was not Dean or Green until the DLC pulled its shit yesterday

The DLC made me Dean or Green and did so as of today.

[chadm]

14. Kucinich or Green is my motto

When you're ready to come to the Green Party, we welcome you.

[poskonig]

2. These corrupt losers will even attack the moderate candidates

It isn't about being far left or moderate; it is about being on the corporate gravy train.

[sendero]

3. The DLC..

... is all about the Benjamins. They think their corporate paymasters provide the only sustenance.

They aren't going to give up easily.

[vi5]

4. Do people on here really think that if a non-DLCer is nominated...

That the DLC won't still support that nominee over Bush? I mean honestly do people really think that? If you don't think that then why is any more out of line for them to support the candidate they feel should get the nom than any other Democratic base group? I may be in the minority but I haven't heard any person affilliated with or supporting a DLC candidate say that but I have talked to a few anti-DLC people who say they won't support a DLC candidate as the dem nominee.

How about the fact that Gephardt has quite a few union endoresements and is also a DLC candidate. So does that mean Unions are not part of the Democratic base because they are trending towards endorsing a DLC candidate?

Honestly I don't like them any more than the next guy but this anti-DLC hysteria is getting to be a bit much? Especially coming from people who feel (rightfully so) that beating bush is the most important goal?

[Az]

7. Its not just Bush

Bush is just a puppet of the current corporate masters. What good does it do us to topple Bush only to have another puppet with corporate handlers? We are not going to stop this slide into fascism by trying to vote for the lesser puppet. The strings have to be cut. This is what the corporations fear the most. This is why Bush and Co are dismantling the government. The corporations want it dead whether there is a puppet in the seat or not. We are not going to beat the corporations with their own money.

Its not the Bush its the path our society is on. We are losing control of our society. Various entities that have aligned themself with the right seek to place their agenda in the place of our societies. Religion and Corporations have specific interests that do not necissarily coincide with our own interests. They have gathered together to silence our voice and install their own in its place. Bush is just the latest symptom. He falls and it is little loss to them. He has always been a hollowman who's only use was to deflect the people's awareness.

Take note of the politicians the repukes have placed in the WH over the years since Nixon. They have been for the most part charismatic idiots. Easily manipulated and able to reach the public on a social level.

Bush is nothing new. It is the slide to the right that has to be stopped. The DLC is part of that slide. They are why we have only a few Dems in office with a spine these days. Spineless dems will not speak up for the people. The right doesn't care if Dems win elections as long as those that win do not challenge the status quo. DLC is happy with the status quo and thus facilitate the slide to the right.

[Walt Starr]

10. They have intimated they would not support Dean

ergo, Dean or Green for me.

[vi5]

12. They have "intimated"?

What does that even mean? Did you read todays www.liberaloasis.com? It would seem to me after reading those quotes that what you say is not true, but that could just be me.

[Booberdawg]

15. Well stated

Regardless of the issues some people have with the DLC, it seems to be lost on some that the DLC wants a candidate that can beat Bush. That's what we all want! The anti-DLC hysteria does get worrisome. I just hope people don't get so fixed in their positions that they are willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater if a DLC candidate gets the nomination.

[Walt Starr]

17. I disagree

I think the DLC wants a candidate they know they can control.

[Booberdawg]

20. The DLC

has no one to "control" if the candidate cannot beat bush, ergo, they want a candidate that can beat bush!

[Code_Name_D]

22. But a DLC CANT'T beat Bush.

If you would pay attention, you would see that the Welstone Democrats are trying to do the same thing, nominate a canadate that can beat Bush.

But the DLC's approch to beating the GOP is to try and ride in on Bush's coat tails. Take epheartd's rosegarden ceromony were he "stood with the presdent" in regards to the Iraq war. That is esencualy Gepeharts campain. Leabermen and Kerry's positions are the same.

Not to mention that the DLC has become Bush's first line of defences when it comes to investigations and impeachment. How can you beat the guy, when you will not lift a finger to call into question the mans integrity? You can't. Leberment and Gepheartd can NOT beat Bush.

But there are other problems. This isn't just about Bush, but the corpret control over the system. Bush's master is still the coperations. Even IF Gepheartd or Lebermen should get in, they will have the SAME MASTER, the corperations, and nothing will change. The march to fashism will contiue unebated, and questioned.

At the vary least, Dean and DK are willing to call a duck a duck, and to call Bush's administration a dictatorship.

[indigo32]

27. sigh

this is never acknowledged...
I've tried to get this issue out... that some off us don't just disagree with Moderate Policies...we really think that the DLC is choosing a losing path (has...look at 2002) But no... this issue is never acknowledged. It's all about those blind leftists who won't compromise.

Sigh.

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. but some don't feel that beating bush is most important

some think an apology from the dlc is the most important goal.

we need to remember this.

[stickdog]

24. Yes, I honestly think they would try to ACTIVELY SUBVERT any Democratic

nominee who wasn't "with the program."

All of the DLC's talk of "unity" to the left was predicated on greasing the way for THEIR boys and their boys only, the hypocritical mother f***ers.

[Terwilliger]

5. That would suggest that the DLC sabotaged the 2000 election

ah HAAHHH!

And here the blamees were the usual crowd....Repukes, Supreme Court, Nader, media...

I GUESS THE MOST ARDENT CENTRISTS LEFT OUT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE TO BLAME FOR GORE's LOSS IN 2000!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

11. and 100 million voters didn't have a say?

minus a few thousand Floridians.

[whoYaCallinAlib]

8. I disagree . . . DLC will support ANY dem candidate.

BUT, they would prefer the nominee to be a moderate non-leftie. They will do whatever they can to help the dem candidate, whoever it is.

[Fixated]

13. ...

The DLC knows what will win elections. And I hate to break it to everyone, but you certainly don't. The public isn't vigorously leftist like we are...they're moderates. Hence, moderates win elections. Every president runs as a moderate. I really am not at all a centrist, but the DLC knows what they're talking about.

[chadm]

16. Listen to your heart

Not the politicians. Don't second-guess what you know is true.

[Az]

18. Yet here lies the problem

The right allows the voice of the far right to ring out clear and loud. Yet we stifle our left voice in order to beg from scraps left behind. The centerists need to make up their mind where they want to vote. The right and the left do not have to placate them. For if the left tries to play more to the right then the right simply moves further down the field.

The left needs to stand up and loudly proclaim what it stands for. Its not going to win over all the centerists. But it will force them to make a choice.

I don't want to win if we have to become republicans to do it. A DINO win means nothing and only furthers the problem.

Besides that. This notion that its the center voters that win the election is a bunch of Bushit. There are millions of votes on the left and it is the solid Dem voting base that enables us to represent in the first place. A minority of voters that are made up many that do not even pay attention enough to know where they stand is not who wins the election. They are undecided, undefined, uninvolved. This is not who we should be looking to for guidance.

[Fixated]

19. ...

The Republicans...I don't know how, manage to appear centrist during elections. The far right shuts up or seperates itself from the president. It's amazing to watch. Bush might not need to moderate himself too much this election, but pay attention come next year.

[w4rma]

21. The DLC knows how to fundraise from granting favors to big corporations

Big corporations want regulations that protect the environment, consumers and their smaller competitors watered down or revoked. The DLC helps do this for campaign funds.

This is their version of moderation. It's they aren't taking the moderate voters' position, they are moderating between what the voters want and what their big buisness contributors want.

[stickdog]

25. Then why are radical, war mongering, borrow & spend fascists

governing of the rich and corporate, for the rich and corporate, and by the rich and corporate currently in control of all three major branches of federal government?

[GumboYaYa]

26. Yes they certainly proved that in 2002.

Somehow we managed to lose the Senate with the DLC's wonderful guidance and a bunch of milquetoast Bush wannabes running.

Have we forgotten recent history already?

[indigo32]

28. Amen

eom

[Astarho]

29. You said it

before I could.