Ashcroft recusal is still a whitewash

[Atman]

Chuck Schumer pointed out something very important here...all Ashcroft did was appoint a Special Counsel...NOT an "Independent Counsel" or "Independent Prosecutor" or "Independent" anything. Now, in fairness, Schumer did say he supports Fitzgerald, and thinks he is a man of integrity, but admits he is "troubled" that no one has convened a Grand Jury, which is SOP, and should have been done long ago, and that it took Ashcroft so long to step aside.

But..."They don't want this dragging into the election season" said the report.

Aw, fuck. Of course not. Break out the white paint, boys. Let's start taking bets and outlining the scenerios...will it be a low-level hack thrown to the wolves? A "goof?" Rosemary Woods returns from beyond? Place your bets!

[7th_Sephiroth]

1. i say

they will use this oppertunity to get rid of thier token black person, condie

[MoonRiver]

2. I thought I heard Comey say in the news conference today that

a grand jury was in the process of being convened. I still have my doubts but this may be the real thing. Once you get the CIA riled, watch out!

[diamond14]

3. it's officially a SCANDAL right now....and it's about TREASON against

the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....

all of DC has been on vacation for the holidays, Congress is gone, the pResident is on Vacation....and right-out-of-the-blue....BAM...a GREAT BIG SCANDAL arrives...

right now, there are LOTS of Washingtonians rushing back EARLY to DC....lawyers, consultants, public relations specialists, bush* whole White House cabal, CIA spooks, movers....this is BIG....

and it's not about a little third-rate burgalry, like Watergate
and it's not about a blow-job, like the Monica mess

this one just takes your breathe away....
it's about TREASON....
this scandal is about TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !...in time of war.....

whew! just the thought of it is stunning....

let the circus begin....

[Malva Zebrina]

4. well I know that

but compared to Bush getting away with killing thousands of innocent people in Iraq on a lie, I simply cannot get excited over this domestic "treason"

The guy gets away with treason and has done so consistently, What he is doing to us, he is doing legally. That is something that Hitler liked to brag about also. We have NO ONE who can turn this around and there is NO ONE calling an insane man, who stole an election in a virtual coup on his insance policies. There is NO ONE standing up, except for a Robert Byrd and a Dennis Kuchinich.

He is not challenged by Democrats, and there is nothing, apparently , that the Democratic party is willing to do to call him on his treason. Nothing there at all. How can this be? We have an insane man, lying to this country, crippling it every day, laughing about his "trifecta" win, and no one is willing to tell him to go pound salt, get a grip and seek psychological help for his insanity.

The Democrats are little wimps, scairdy cats, and further, so lacking in motivation to helop their own country get out of the Bush neocon, fascist rule, that they should all be wearing little teddy bear outfits while snacking on caviar.

[salinen]

6. Repukes are grinning

about how easy it is to get away with anything. We will see again Baker and the gang refute this away. Nothing to see here. Pigfuckers!

[Stevendsmith]

8. Let the Circus Begin?

Please. No offense intended here, but how much do these fascists have to get away with before we stop the "here comes trouble for Bush" posts?

This investigation goes nowhere. No one of importance gets in any trouble. Bet on it.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. People are rushing back? There may be more hope than we thought...

<<<right now, there are LOTS of Washingtonians rushing back EARLY to DC....lawyers, consultants, public relations specialists, bush* whole White House cabal, CIA spooks, movers....this is BIG....>>>

[ThomWV]

5. I Was Lost

I didn't see how this would expand the investigation, or lessen the chance of a coverup or brushaside and I was hoping someone could tell me how today is different from yesterday. Am I correct in assuming that nothing has really changed?

Thom

[diamond14]

9. TODAY is a great day, the turning point for the bush* cabal...

one part of the U.S. Attorney General's job is to legally protect and defend bush*....and advise bush* about everything that bush* is doing, so that the pResident doesn't 'accidently' do something illegal (gag!)....so the AG knows everything all the time in the secret WH...


but TODAY, while bush* is still on vacation, asscroft dissociated himself from the pResident...so lots of others in bush* cabal, will take that as a sign....a sign to get out of DC, resign, retire, squeal on their associates, plea bargain out, anything, anything....the SCANDAL has begun....

the investigation may or may not be completed before America goes to VOTE in November 2004....it doesn't really matter....what matters is that it is a 'cloud' over the pResidency all the way to the voting booths....

the pristine highly-secretive, christian White House (where no blow jobs happen, and everybody is good and pure and prays everyday) is now under a Federal Investigation Special Prosecutor for TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....and that officially happened TODAY....prior to today, asscroft could have just wallowed along quietly investigating this himself all the way to the re-selection in November 2004....or he could have finished it and said he didn't find anything important, and let it disappear....

so just that announcement, just the idea that there NEEDS TO BE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR means that there might be something HIGHLY ILLEGAL going on inside OUR White House....like TREASON....

some of bush* cabal may bail out just because they can't afford to defend themselves against the full weight of the Federal government (Clinton defended against an $ 87 Million legal investigation, and was found innocent on all counts...but Clinton has paid that off with books, speeches, etc...lower Federal employees have NO CHANCE for that)....but just to be investigated can ruin lives and careers and bank accounts....everybody in bush* cabal has GOT to get a high priced DC attorney RIGHT NOW...

and some will sleeze out (just like common street criminals), by tattling against their own colleagues, ratting off friends...as the finger-pointing heats up...even innocents (called the 'fall-guy') get caught up and go to PRISON....

so, just the investion itself will cause great consternation...and the White House will have a very difficult time doing anything at all except working on protecting their own asses...for Watergate, the investigation caught up hundreds of nixonians...each saying the guy in the next office did it...some went to PRISON, including the nixon Attorney General John Mitchell, some plea-bargained, some lied, some ran, some left the country, some killed themselves...it was a real circus...and at the end, nixon was obvious drunk/drugged on National TV, OUR Soldiers were still being KILLED every day in Vietnam, and nixon left....


if you want to see how this works, substitute bush* TREASONGATE for Watergate...and the concurrent 'Iraq Quagmire' for 'Vietnam Quagmire'

the SCANDAL has begun....

not about a blow-job
not about a third-rate office break-in

THIS ONE IS ABOUT TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in time of war....it's BIG...it takes your breathe away just to think about the full scope of this investigation....

[rocktivity]

7. It's either a whitewash or a coverup

Because Ashcroft didn't recuse right away, the Bush Regime can now be accused of allowing the recusal because they've already ensured that nothing incriminating will come out, or as a device for backing away because they KNOW something incriminating will come out. Either way, they look bad--even without the CIA hanging over them like a vulture.


rocknation

[mouse7]

10. Now all the Crimes can be investigated by Special Prosecutor

It's only going to start with the Plame leak. The State of the Union speech nuke lies. Cheney Energy Task force. Iraq reconstruction crimes. Manipulation of intelligence. All that stuff will get moved to the special prosecutor's office now.

One thing to remember. The only way this special proseccutor has the big career track advancement is if he returns big indictments. Nobody will remember who he is if he comes back with nothing. Self-interest therefore dictates that this special prosecutor WILL be a bulldog.

The REAL elites are dumping Dumbya and saving the GOP. They see they now cannot win the general election in November, so they have created a means for lots of GOP to come down against Dumbya and save their careers and the GOP.

[G_j]

11. mixed feelings

I feel sure that evidence has been destroyed and a cover up has been under way. However from what I've read, Fitzgerald is extremely smart and doesn't fool around. If he detects even a hint of evidence tampering there could be hell to pay.
And don't forget Rove and others have denied knowing anything, what if they get tripped up somehow and have to back track?
I think there is actually a slim chance of something serious coming out of this. These people are extremely arrogant. Let's hope it turns out to be their fatal flaw.

[diamond14]

16. the CIA has lots of stuff here...CIA pulled out the Wilson

'yellow-cake' visit to Africa (by a stellar long-time U.S. Ambassador with just the right sparkling credentials) right after bush* blamed CIA for his lying State of the Union address...

and it is one of the CIA's own spy's that was uncovered, and who knows how many other 'special' people are now DEAD because of the petty revenge by the White House....worse....pflame was working undercover for YEARS, developing a whole network of informants all across the world, who told her 'front' operation about 'terrorist movements of WMD', which is now totally destroyed, endangering the USA....this is truly amazing stuff coming out recently...


shrub should have learned from his pappy....you've got to have the CIA on YOUR side....you don't ever want to be in shrub's position....where the CIA is real mad at YOU for your foolish-petty childish-acts-of-revenge against their own CIA spooks....

IMO, the CIA will help this investigation roll along, and reveal more info as the investigation continues....they have a special department where they keep all the necessary paperwork and emails and faxes...

[G_j]

17. I sure hope you're right

I think if Fitzgerald can't be bought off or threatened, these bastards may in for some trouble. If people think Ashcroft may have successfully covered this up already they should remember he is not the brightest bulb on the block. I get the feeling Fitzgerald is a lot sharper.
And, assuming he's not in their pockets,
they don't want to piss him him off either.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

24. Damn right Fitz is sharper

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/31/national/31PROB.html

Kenneth M. Karas, a co-chief of the terrorism unit in the United States attorney's office in Manhattan who worked with Mr. Fitzgerald for many years, put it this way: "His brain is like a mainframe computer."

<snip>

"He doesn't let anything go," said George Santangelo, who represented John Gambino, identified by the authorities as a crime family captain, in a case prosecuted by Mr. Fitzgerald. "We duked it out for about three years, and it was quite a duking session. Let me put it to you this way: If John Ashcroft wanted any favors on this one, he went to the wrong guy. This guy is tough."

[Cleita]

12. Yep, it will be a low level hack that can't fight back

that will be made to shoulder the blame. However, as a betting woman here, there is a wild card. Ambassador Wilson is not going to go away quietly, so unless he becomes a "suicide", this isn't going to be swept under the rug that easily.

[G_j]

14. the thing about making a low level hack

the "chump" is that it would entail Fitzgerald buying it. Sounds like he nailed a lot of people in the Ryan administration, including Ryan. It remains to be seen, I think, if they could pull it off.

[spanone]

13. The only thing I like about this is that it looks stinky

Ashcroft being the slimeball that he is looks like he's separating himself from the shit. That raises questions in repukes minds. I like that.

[Timefortruth]

15. Nothing honest has ever come from this administration.

The Special Prosecutor may really be a stand-up sort of guy so the the cover-up will flawless. The bottom line is that Ashcroft is out because it is good for them. We’ll have to wait to find out how this benefits the *&Co., but it certainly will.

Remember a couple years ago when there was a grand announcement that the AG was going to somehow investigate the civil rights violations in the Florida fiasco. We were all hopeful that the government still works, but no such luck, another sham. Cynicism is more than warranted here. Hope for the best, but be prepared for more of the same.

[Atman]

18. He is NOT a "Special Prosecutor"

That was the point Schumer was making...he is a "Special Counsel." And he works for Bush and Ashcroft. Note the press releases...he is not called "Special Prosecutor" anywhere, just "counsel." Ashcroft's right-hand man.

I don't buy it for a minute. Why now? Why is THIS the one thing the Bush admin decides to tell the truth on, just when it is realizing the NOTHING it ever says gets any follow-up by the media.

Whitewash, I say.

[G_j]

20. valid points

of course I hope you are wrong.
At least the current publicity is good.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. agreed ...both Comey and Fitzgerald are bush* political appointees

[rasputin1952]

22. Is it just me...

or did anyone else notice that Comey looks like Ashcrofts offspring?

There seems to be an uncanny resemblance there.

O8)

[Junkdrawer]

23. kick

:kick:

[SoCalDem]

25. BINGO.. All it means is that he will NOT have to answer any

"difficult" questions, but he is lurking in the background where no oone will be able to keep a watchful eye on him..

Remember what happened when Jeb "recused" himself during the election??

He spent months "tidying up" and then recuses himself..