BBV- Bev Harris on Mike Webb, 11pm, re: unsolicited software

[RedEagle]

Mods- This will touch on an issue by God-bush-and-Cheney, but is really a different topic.

Bev Harris will be on the Mike Webb show tonight at 11pm, Pacific time. This show was called due to the VoteHere claim it was hacked.

However, the important issue here that we need to emphasize and remind everyone, is that sometimes activists are approached by people who claim to have the software or source code of programs. Usually, when asked, the code has been obtained by hacking.

As a reminder to all: We never advocate taking anyone up on an offer like this.

It happened after Diebold left their code on an open FTP site, that people were "offered" copies of new code, etc., from a password protected site. Different ball game. Uh, uh, can you say, "Entrapment?"

We don't know that this is what happened this time, but it serves as a reminder that sometimes, bait can be set. Be smart enough not to bite.

By the way, write back to the reporters who quote Jim Adler saying VoteHere will make their software available in the future. It's been months since they were supposed to do that on verifiedvoting, and nada, nothing.

But Adler has written a draft of certification requirements for systems like his own. Wanna bet the new Federal committees accept it? Wannt bet THAT's when they (not us) will get to see the code? Watch how the words are used....

[CalebHayes]

1. Hear Mike on the web stream!!

http://stream.mikewebb.org:8000/listen.pls

[Andy_Stephenson]

2. Thanks for the link

I will be listening for sure.

[RedEagle]

3. Unless you prefer the link...

...710, KIRO.

Unless you're in a blind spot, reception should be just fine!

Kick!

[regnaD kciN]

9. "Listening," Andy?

Well, if you were listening to the show, there must be a second person named "Andy Stephenson" who is also running for Secretary of State, because someone fitting that description was on the show as well...

;-)

[trent21]

11. May I ask what you use to listen to the feed?

I've tried (unsuccessfully) several times before to listen to Mike's archived shows, but I always get an error and it won't load.

What do you use to listen? I'm not exactly sure what format .pl is

Any help appreciated

[revcarol]

4. Is that midnight, mountain time?

Boy, I need to get some sleep, this abcessed tooth is killing me, I can't even convert time zones in my head....

[Andy_Stephenson]

5. 1 AM

your time

[BevHarris]

6. This is a bit of a repeat from other thread -- but bears repeating!

First, the idea that a company who specializes in encryption gets hacked is idiotic. If that's true, they need to step out of the arena for good, because the product they were offering was encryption to "protect" our votes.

Now, what many of you might not know is that the VoteHere source code has been used in entrapment attempts. Specifically, with me, and I documented the entrapment effort at the time. Pure retaliatory crap designed to find a way to get activists to shut up.

Next, it is not surprising they will try to link it to the Diebold files. But that's bullshit, too, and here's why:

The FTP site wasn't hacked, it was sitting there. Look in any user manual and you'll see the address.

The memos weren't hacked either, they were obtained with an employee ID number.

Now, are you ready for this? I've had dealings with both the Diebold memo leaker and this supposed "VoteHere" hacker. The second person is NOT the same as the first, and I won't reveal why I know that for a fact, but I am dead-certain of this.

This "VoteHere" hacker tried to dump the VoteHere source code on me; it was simply dumb; first of all, VoteHere was supposed to be going public with its source code, so who in their right mind would want to steal it. I certainly didn't touch it.

Then this "VoteHere" hacker agreed to a telephone interview with me. He made some claims about who he was, but was unaware that I had additional information from inside sources that would allow me to test the veracity of his claims. The first question I asked was a test question; he put me on "hold" and then came back and offered a lame-ass guess which immediately caused him to fail the ID contest.

I believe this is going to turn into an entrapment scheme. Some activist somewhere is going to get nailed, probably that's already in the works. That's because they were running around offering this honey pot, "hey, I have some stolen VoteHere source code, can I e-mail it to you?" -- unfortunately, some naive soul probably bit on it. I am more worried about some naive activist who didn't say "no" than about a supposed "hacker" of VoteHere getting arrested. That just doesn't pass the smell test.

By the way, I asked the supposed "hacker" directly about how he accessed the files from a cryptography company. His answers were not satisfactory whatsoever, and frankly, I didn't believe him at all. Every time I asked a tough question, he had to put me on hold and run off an consult with someone.

He had a recognizable voice, which I have heard in another, supposedly unrelated phone call, supposedly from a different individual. I will be delighted to tell the police what I suspect.

I'm going on the Mike Webb show at 11 p.m. Pacific to discuss this at more length.

RedEagle: Any info on which of the three have formal ethics complaints lodged against them at this time?
1) Ralph Munro
2) Sam Reed (current Washington Secy' State)
3) David Elliott (Washington State Elections Director)

I'd like the facts on that before going on the air tonight.

Bev Harris

[Myra]

7. You and God-bush-and-Cheney should really get in synch Bev.

Because, it's frankly pretty confusing to have a person
from BBV promoting this story, then have you discredit it.

I think it could undermine your credibility.

I'll listen to you on Mike Webb BTW.
I always do.

[ConsAreLiars]

8. kick

coming real soon now.

[dusty64]

10. Kick!

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